Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Large scale clean-ups/answersingenesis.com

answersingenesis.com
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 * Fifelfoo (talk) 07:23, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Fifelfoo (talk) 07:23, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Fifelfoo (talk) 07:23, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Raw external links report

Summary of problem
answersingenesis.org presents a variety of biblical literalist publications through a website, some are suspected copyvios, others are suspected of inappropriate use in articles. 1000+ external links, about 50:50 in article space.
 * Suspected by who, evidence for? Wider degree of consensus here, doesn't look like this has been discussed but for almost no time and by hardly anyone. As much as I hate AIG for it's backward's ass retarded positions, I have to question blanking out them as a source for these types of articles. If they was just a massive copyright violation factory you'd think they'd be sued off the internet by now, so what is the evidence that the majority of the articles are copyright violations and how are you going to sort them for which is good and which is bad? — raeky  t  02:52, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * See the link immediately below to the RS/N discussion. AiG's publication of TJ content is an obvious suspected copyright violation, they aren't the copyright holders and they have no reputation as an archive. Fifelfoo (talk) 03:23, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Then just switch the links for TJ to the official archive plain and simple. — raeky  t  03:26, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Except many of the links use Technical Journal to claim that AiG supports a position, which it can't, or to link AiG to a position, which it can't, or to support scientific or historical claims, which it can't, or to act as a proxy for the entire YAC movement, which it can't bear the weight of because it represents a FRINGE Australian literalist YAC group only, or use it as an exemplar of YACs, which it can't bear, because again, it represents a FRINGE Australian literalist group only. Sometimes it can be valid, but generally it isn't because the publication is unreliable for so many things in wikipedia.  Its scope of reliability is very limited.  Similarly with the glossy pop magazines produced by AiG. Fifelfoo (talk) 04:49, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't dissagree with those statements, but I think in some cases the level of weight your expecting from a source for YEC is impossible to find. YEC is unscientific, and any claim by YEC is going to be unsupported by any SCIENTIFIC journal. So in articles specificly talking about YEC claims, I dissagree that the claim should be removed with some of your reasonings of why these sources are bad, because we'll NEVER get a good 3rd party source to backup a fringe psuedoscience claim. It may be fringe in science, but YEC is mainstream belief in American population, so articles dealing with this is clearly WP:N and we're going to have to use some of these poor sources for their claims, thats all they got. — raeky  t  04:54, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

I am repeating a post I made on this topic at WP:RSN. This large scale clean-up is causing problems for articles like Objections to evolution and Nylon-eating bacteria and creationism that cover the Creation–evolution controversy, which may not be notable as a scientific controversy because of the psuedo sicence nature of creation science, but is quite notable as a cultural/political/religious/sociological phenomenon. Anyone with any sense knows that Answers in Genesis is never a reliable source for any scientific topic, but it is a reliable source (and an important one) for what creationists say and think and it is widely cited as such by postings on websites that are reliable sources such as National Center for Science Education, TalkOrigins Archive and NMSR. If we can't cite sources from organizations like AiG or Creation Ministries International it is hard to cover the controversy, especially since those organizations are significant players in the controversy. It is a long established principle that sources that would not otherwise be considered reliable for anything else, are in fact reliable sources for their own viewpoints. Let us stop and discuss this a little before we continue to hack up perfectly good articles like the two I mentioned. Rusty Cashman (talk) 18:45, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I see no evidence of the "hacking up" you refer to. I do understand that removing some sources from some article may make it more difficult to cover some subjects as thoroughly as some might like, however, policy a) doesn't change because of the subject article, and b) articles have WP:IAR to fall back on if they really need to. As you can see below, many of the sources that would not be valid in many articles are already being treated as valid in articles where their inclusion makes sense. No one is slashing and burning through every reference to AiG for example. I would also add that while sources are reliable for their own viewpoints, I don't believe the Pope, for example, despite being notable, has an opinion on Plate Tectonics that needs to be included, for obvious reasons. If there was a tectonic plate controversy article involving the Church's views, that would be different. Has someone removed AiG sources from Nylon-eating bacteria and creationism, (other than for WP:COPYVIO grounds, which has nothing to do with the opinions of the source)? --  Despayre  tête-à-tête 04:26, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

RS/N report
Reliable_Sources/Noticeboard (non-permanent link)

Progress on clean-up

 * Links starting http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/tj/ done. (Suspected copyvio, Technical Journal is published by another organisation). Fifelfoo (talk) 07:23, 21 June 2012 (UTC)


 * The links in article mainspace are below, in rough categories. The biographies (most but not all of living people) are the most urgent, and have been annotated with an impression of how appropriate the link is. Itsmejudith (talk) 15:47, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Intelligent design movement

 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/ is linked from Answers in Genesis  obviously valid. Fifelfoo (talk) 04:53, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org is linked from Answers in Genesis   obviously valid. Fifelfoo (talk) 04:53, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/Docs/399.asp#1 is linked from Answers in Genesis   --  Despayre  tête-à-tête 03:30, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/Home/Area/AnswersBook/iceage16.asp is linked from Creation Science
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/Docs/399.asp is linked from Modern geocentrism
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/ is linked from Old Earth creationism  --  Despayre  tête-à-tête 03:30, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
 * On this page it is an external link - I am not so familiar with the current vagaries to EL policy to know whether that is sufficient for removal. John Carter (talk) 19:34, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/Home/Area/Tools/cains_wife.asp is linked from Young Earth creationism
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/Home/Area/feedback/2005/0610.asp is linked from Answers in Genesis   --  Despayre  tête-à-tête 03:30, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/Home/area/feedback/2005/0222.asp is linked from Answers in Genesis   --  Despayre  tête-à-tête 03:30, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/News/Ross_Gauntlet.asp is linked from Answers in Genesis   --  Despayre  tête-à-tête 03:30, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/about is linked from Answers in Genesis   obviously valid. Fifelfoo (talk) 04:53, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/about/faith is linked from Creation Museum  Information from founder of museum that is clearly relevant to article. John Carter (talk) 19:53, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/about/faith is linked from Young Earth creationism already removed John Carter (talk) 16:25, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/arj is linked from Answers in Genesis   obviously valid.  (Their pet "peer reviewed" journal is a notable function of the group)Fifelfoo (talk) 04:53, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/arj is linked from Creationism
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2007/11/14/over-after-dover is linked from Judgment Day: Intelligent Design on Trial
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2007/11/16/biased-judgment-day is linked from Judgment Day: Intelligent Design on Trial
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2008/03/13/meeting-of-minds is linked from Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2008/10/02/a-religulous-movie is linked from Creation Museum  Information from founder of museum with clear pertinence to article. John Carter (talk) 19:53, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2009/04/20/if-you-dont-matter-to-god-you-dont-matter-to-anyone is linked from Answers in Genesis
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2010/04/26/millionth-guest-creation-museum is linked from Creation Museum  Information from founder of museum that is clearly pertinent to article. John Carter (talk) 19:53, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2011/02/15/crashing-date-night is linked from Creation Museum  Information from founder of museum that is clearly pertinent to article. John Carter (talk) 19:53, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2011/03/22/kicked-out-homeschool-conferences is linked from Answers in Genesis
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/aid/v3/n1/star-formation-and-creation is linked from Creationist cosmologies
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/am/v1/n1/intelligent-design-movement is linked from Answers in Genesis
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/am/v2/n1/culture-in-crisis is linked from Creation Museum  Information from founder of organization that is clearly relevant to article. John Carter (talk) 19:53, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/am/v2/n1/liberty-university is linked from Liberty University
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/am/v2/n1/liberty-university is linked from Controversy surrounding Liberty
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/am/v2/n1/origin-of-oil is linked from Flood geology
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/am/v2/n2/a-catastrophic-breakup is linked from Flood geology
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/am/v2/n2/framework-interpretation-critique-part-one is linked from Young Earth creationism already removed John Carter (talk) 16:25, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/am/v2/n2/key-age-of-earth is linked from Flood geology
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/am/v2/n4/stars-of-heaven-confirm is linked from Creationist cosmologies
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/arj/v2/n1/chalk-and-upper-cretaceous-deposits is linked from Flood geology
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/arj/v2/n1/systematic-theology-age-of-earth is linked from Young Earth creationism already removed John Carter (talk) 16:25, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/arj/v3/n1/orthodox-darwinism-atheism is linked from Young Earth creationism already removed John Carter (talk) 16:25, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/au/creationists-real-scientists is linked from Answers in Genesis
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/cm/v20/n3/big-bang is linked from Creationist cosmologies
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/ee/natural-selection-vs-evolution is linked from Young Earth creationism already removed
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/kw/study-your-science is linked from Answers in Genesis
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/nab/catastrophic-plate-tectonics is linked from Creation geophysics
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/nab/does-radiometric-dating-prove is linked from Young Earth creationism already removed John Carter (talk) 16:25, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/nab/what-happened-to-the-dinosaurs is linked from Young Earth creationism already removed John Carter (talk) 16:25, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/wow/is-idm-christian is linked from Intelligent design and science
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/contents/379/Catastrophic-Granite-Formation.pdf is linked from Creation Science
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/curl.asp?cid=14882 is linked from Answers in Genesis
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/1203.asp is linked from Young Earth creationism already removed
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/3907.asp is linked from Answers in Genesis
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/405.asp is linked from Answers in Genesis
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/405.asp is linked from Young Earth creationism already removed
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/4233news3-6-2000.asp is linked from Creation Museum  Information from founder of museum that is clearly relevant to article. John Carter (talk) 19:53, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2001/0319news.asp is linked from Creation Museum   Information from founder of museum tht is clearly relevant to article. John Carter (talk) 19:53, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2001/0507news.asp is linked from Creation Museum  Information from founder of museum that is clearly relevant to article. John Carter (talk) 19:53, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2001/0727news.asp is linked from Answers in Genesis
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2002/0107ed_bill.asp is linked from Answers in Genesis
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2002/0830_IDM.asp is linked from Intelligent design
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2002/0830_IDM.asp is linked from Intelligent designer
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2002/0830_IDM.asp is linked from Young Earth creationism already removed John Carter (talk) 16:25, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2002/1011hovind.asp is linked from Answers in Genesis
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2004/0427social_evil.asp is linked from Answers in Genesis
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2004/1101ankerberg_response.asp is linked from Answers in Genesis
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2004/1102gc_book.asp is linked from Grand Canyon: A Different View
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2005/0221plant_death.asp is linked from Young Earth creationism already removed John Carter (talk) 16:25, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2005/0412zimmer.asp is linked from Answers in Genesis
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2005/0414lisle_transcript.asp is linked from Answers in Genesis
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2005/0615debate.asp is linked from Answers in Genesis
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2005/1212bbcstory.asp is linked from The Story of God
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2005/1221bbc_overview.asp is linked from The Story of God
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2005/1221bbc_overview.asp is linked from Creation Museum  Information from founder of museum that has clear relevance to article. John Carter (talk) 19:53, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2006/0131colleges.asp is linked from Answers in Genesis
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2006/0206evol_sunday.asp is linked from Clergy Letter Project
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2006/0307recolonisation.asp is linked from Biblical Creation Society
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2006/0307recolonisation.asp is linked from Noah's Ark Zoo Farm
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2006/0606ankerberg.asp is linked from Answers in Genesis
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2007/0208evolution-sunday.asp is linked from Clergy Letter Project
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/events/bio.aspx?Speaker_ID=52 is linked from Answers in Genesis
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/events/bio.aspx?Speaker_ID=40 is linked from Answers in Genesis
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/get-answers/features/200-lost-years is linked from Clergy Letter Project
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/get-answers/topic/evolution is linked from Answers in Genesis
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/ISD/index.asp is linked from List of works on intelligent design
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/WWTL/index.asp is linked from Objections to evolution
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/bios/ is linked from Clergy Letter Project
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/bios/a_mcintosh.asp is linked from Truth in Science
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/bios/a_snelling.asp is linked from Institute for Creation Research
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/bios/d_menton.asp is linked from Answers in Genesis
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/bios/s_burgess.asp is linked from Truth in Science
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/employment.asp is linked from Creation Museum   Information from founder of museum, pertinent to subject of article. John Carter (talk) 19:53, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/employment.asp is linked from Young Earth creationism already removed
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/Geology.asp is linked from Flood geology
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/astronomy.asp#big_bang is linked from Answers in Genesis
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/bad_things.asp is linked from Young Earth creationism already removed John Carter (talk) 16:25, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/compromise.asp#progressive is linked from Progressive creationism
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/compromise.asp is linked from Young Earth creationism already removed John Carter (talk) 16:25, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/dont_use.asp#c_decay is linked from Answers in Genesis
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/genesis.asp#days is linked from Day-age creationism
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/humanlife.asp is linked from Answers in Genesis
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/kinds.asp is linked from Answers in Genesis
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/kinds.asp is linked from Creation Science
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/racism.asp is linked from Answers in Genesis
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/feedback/2004/0206.asp is linked from Answers in Genesis
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/feedback/2004/0521.asp is linked from Answers in Genesis
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/feedback/2005/1007.asp is linked from Answers in Genesis
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/feedback/negative12feb2001.asp is linked from Answers in Genesis
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/rc/intro.asp is linked from Old Earth creationism
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/museum/faq.asp is linked from Creation Museum  Information from founder of museum and relevant to subject of article. John Carter (talk) 19:53, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/outreach/speakers/ is linked from Answers in Genesis
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/reviews/beckwith.asp is linked from Answers in Genesis
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/us/history.asp is linked from Creationism
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/us/newsletters/1102lead.asp is linked from Answers in Genesis

Technical Journal suspected copyvios

 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/tj/v14/n3/flood-reply is linked from Flood geology, removed citation (unable to support). Fifelfoo (talk) 01:56, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v12/i3/antimatter.asp is linked from Creationist cosmologies, removed citation (unable to support). Fifelfoo (talk) 01:56, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v13/i1/crater.asp is linked from Creation Science replaced copyvio with citation. Fifelfoo (talk) 01:56, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v13/i2/genesis.asp is linked from Answers in Genesis replaced with citation. Fifelfoo (talk) 01:56, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v13/i2/nazi.asp is linked from Answers in Genesis replaced with citation. Fifelfoo (talk) 01:56, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v13/i2/sharks.asp is linked from Young Earth creationism replaced with citation. Fifelfoo (talk) 01:56, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v14/i1/cratering.asp is linked from Creation Science replaced copyvio with citation. Fifelfoo (talk) 01:56, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v15/i1/extrasolar.asp is linked from Creationist cosmologies, removed citation (unable to support). Fifelfoo (talk) 01:56, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v15/i2/geocentrism.asp is linked from Modern geocentrism  removed. Fifelfoo (talk) 01:56, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v15/i3/stem_cells.asp is linked from Answers in Genesis replaced with citation. Fifelfoo (talk) 01:56, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v16/i2/galaxy.asp is linked from Answers in Genesis replaced with citation. Fifelfoo (talk) 01:56, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v17/i3/bacteria.asp is linked from Answers in Genesis replaced with citation. Fifelfoo (talk) 01:56, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v5/i2/diet.asp is linked from Young Earth creationism replaced with citation. Fifelfoo (talk) 01:56, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v9/i1/astronomy.asp is linked from Creationist cosmologies, removed citation (unable to support). Fifelfoo (talk) 01:56, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Creation ex nihilo
(Creation ex nihilo was a 1990s glossy magazine produced by AiG creation.com's crew that fails the Ulrich's test for peer review, and which has no editorial policy listed at AiG's site. It appears to lack weight or notability amongst the community of biblical literalists in terms of its low hit count online.)

And they're all copyvios, the owner of creation is http://creation.com/ who actually maintains an archive, so all these (even when valid) need to be replaced with http://creation.com/ links; when they're otherwise reliable and weighty for their claims.


 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v10/i1/gaptheory.asp is linked from Young Earth creationism, copyvio resolved, weight passed to article talk. Fifelfoo (talk) 05:55, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v10/i4/stalin.asp is linked from Answers in Genesis AiG didn't publish Creation, so there's no way that this represents AiG's substantive views. Other AiG opinions sourced to Creation (claims kept as uncontroversial when so, quotes obviously rmd) Fifelfoo (talk) 05:11, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v12/i2/noah.asp is linked from Old Earth creationism copyvio resolved IRWolfie- (talk)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v13/i3/fossil.asp is linked from Flood geology removed already by another editor. IRWolfie- (talk)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v13/i3/fossil.asp is linked from Creation geophysics replaced IRWolfie- (talk) 19:09, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v14/i1/fossil.asp is linked from Liberty University replaced IRWolfie- (talk) 19:09, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v14/i1/fossil.asp is linked from Controversy surrounding Liberty copyvio resolved by completing article merge from AfD result. IRWolfie- (talk)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v17/i2/chance.asp is linked from Answers in Genesis AiG didn't publish Creation, so there's no way that this represents AiG's substantive views. Other AiG opinions sourced to Creation (claims kept as uncontroversial when so, quotes obviously rmd) Fifelfoo (talk) 05:11, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v17/i4/theistic_evolution.asp is linked from Theistic evolution
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v19/i1/days.asp is linked from Young Earth creationism, copyvio resolved, weight passed to article talk. Fifelfoo (talk) 05:55, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v20/i2/superstition.asp is linked from Creation Science
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v20/i3/admission.asp is linked from Young Earth creationism, copyvio resolved, weight passed to article talk. Fifelfoo (talk) 05:55, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v20/i4/bears.asp#box is linked from Answers in Genesis AiG didn't publish Creation, so there's no way that this represents AiG's substantive views. Other AiG opinions sourced to Creation (claims kept as uncontroversial when so, quotes obviously rmd) Fifelfoo (talk) 05:11, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v20/i4/years.asp is linked from Young Earth creationism, copyvio resolved, weight passed to article talk. Fifelfoo (talk) 05:55, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v21/i1/aborigines.asp is linked from Young Earth creationism, copyvio resolved, weight passed to article talk. Fifelfoo (talk) 05:55, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v21/i3/darwin.asp is linked from From Darwin to Hitler
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v21/i4/design.asp is linked from Evolution: A Theory in Crisis
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v22/i1/holocaust.asp is linked from Answers in Genesis AiG didn't publish Creation, so there's no way that this represents AiG's substantive views. Other AiG opinions sourced to Creation (claims kept as uncontroversial when so, quotes obviously rmd) Fifelfoo (talk) 05:11, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v22/i1/sun.asp is linked from Answers in Genesis AiG didn't publish Creation, so there's no way that this represents AiG's substantive views. Other AiG opinions sourced to Creation (claims kept as uncontroversial when so, quotes obviously rmd) Fifelfoo (talk) 05:11, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v24/i3/babel.asp is linked from Answers in Genesis AiG didn't publish Creation, so there's no way that this represents AiG's substantive views. Other AiG opinions sourced to Creation (claims kept as uncontroversial when so, quotes obviously rmd) Fifelfoo (talk) 05:11, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v25/i4/DNAduplication.asp is linked from Answers in Genesis AiG didn't publish Creation, so there's no way that this represents AiG's substantive views. Other AiG opinions sourced to Creation (claims kept as uncontroversial when so, quotes obviously rmd) Fifelfoo (talk) 05:11, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v25/i4/lighttravel.asp is linked from Answers in Genesis AiG didn't publish Creation, so there's no way that this represents AiG's substantive views. Other AiG opinions sourced to Creation (claims kept as uncontroversial when so, quotes obviously rmd) Fifelfoo (talk) 05:11, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v25/i4/lighttravel.asp is linked from Creationist cosmologies
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v25/i4/lighttravel.asp is linked from Young Earth creationism,, copyvio resolved. Fifelfoo (talk) 05:55, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v26/i2/tradition.asp is linked from Young Earth creationism,, copyvio resolved. Fifelfoo (talk) 05:55, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v26/i3/softgap.asp is linked from Young Earth creationism,, copyvio resolved. Fifelfoo (talk) 05:55, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v26/i4/editorial.asp is linked from Young Earth creationism,, copyvio resolved. Fifelfoo (talk) 05:55, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v3/i3/ideas.asp is linked from Creationist cosmologies
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v4/i1/noahs_flood.asp is linked from Flood geology
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v6/i2/creationII.asp is linked from Approaches to evangelism

Biographies

 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/dont_use.asp is linked from Carl Baugh. Probably appropriate. Subject’s ideas are rejected by other creationists. Leaving in. Itsmejudith (talk) 14:42, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/Home/Area/bios/j_baumgardner.asp is linked from John Baumgardner. May be OK. Used for biographical details. Creationist scientist. Taking to BLPN. Itsmejudith (talk) 14:42, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/cm/v15/n1/startling-evidence-for-noahs-flood#fnMark_1_8_1 is linked from Leonard R. Brand. Creationist scientist. Link to an article that cites him. Not necessary. Took out. Itsmejudith (talk) 14:42, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v27/i4/TimelineOfTheBible.pdf is linked from Harold Camping. Used as the source for Ussher’s chronology. Not appropriate. Replaced with Stephen Jay Gould.
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v27/i4/timeline.asp is linked from Harold Camping. As previous. Gone.
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/bios/ is linked from Jeffrey Dahmer. For the idea that the serial killer’s father is an advocate for creationism. Not appropriate.
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2/4397news10-28-2000.asp is linked from William A. Dembski. For how the creationist community regards the writer’s ideas. Dubious.
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v14/i3/click.asp is linked from Ken Duncan. Australian photographer is also a creationist. Unnecessary EL with biographical details.
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v12/i4/noah.asp is linked from David Fasold. Unnecessary link for this article on a researcher who “discovered” Noah’s Ark, then repudiated it.
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v14/i4/report.asp is linked from David Fasold. As before.
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/185.asp is linked from David Fasold. As before.
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/feedback/2005/0218.asp is linked from Åke Green. References unnecessary statement, defence by Jonathan Sarfati of controversial statements by subject.
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v12/i4/noah.asp is linked from G. Edward Griffin. News-type report on the notion that Noah’s Ark was discovered in Turkey.
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v14/i4/report.asp is linked from G. Edward Griffin. As above.
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/Events/bio.aspx?Speaker_ID=2 is linked from Ken Ham. Founder of Answers in Genesis. Some use of the website inevitable. Probably over-used.
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/about/history is linked from Ken Ham. As above.
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/answersMedia/radio.aspx is linked from Ken Ham. As above.
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2007/04/16/how-could-loving-god is linked from Ken Ham. As above.
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2008/10/02/a-religulous-movie is linked from Ken Ham. As above.
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2011/03/22/kicked-out-homeschool-conferences is linked from Ken Ham. As above.
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2012/03/09/feedback-timeline-for-the-flood is linked from Ken Ham. As above.
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/nab/about is linked from Ken Ham. As above.
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/nab/what-happened-to-the-dinosaurs is linked from Ken Ham. As above.
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/wow/best-proof-of-creation is linked from Ken Ham. As above.
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2005/0414lisle_transcript.asp is linked from Ken Ham. As above.
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2006/0606ankerberg.asp is linked from Ken Ham. As above.
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/outreach/speakers/ken-ham/ is linked from Ken Ham. As above.
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/outreach/speakers/ken-ham/bio/ is linked from Ken Ham. As above.
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/media/radio is linked from Ken Ham. As above.
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2009/03/31/darwins-deathbed-conversion-legend is linked from Elizabeth Hope. C19 evangelist who claimed to have visited Darwin. Unnecessary addition of AiG’s view of her.
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/dont_use.asp is linked from Kent Hovind. Creationist who AiG disagrees with. Doubtful whether AiG’s view is of interest.
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v17/i3/sothic_theory.asp is linked from Gustave Jéquier. No longer linked. Innocuous C19 archaeologist, from fr.wiki, sourceable.
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/aftereden/view.aspx?id=231 is linked from Dan Lietha. Correctly prodded by Pburka.
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/am/am-mini-let-there-be-truth is linked from Dan Lietha. As above.
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v14/i2/scientists.asp is linked from Joseph Lister, 1st Baron Lister. The antiseptic doctor. Inappropriate source for a biographical detail.
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/326.asp is linked from John D. Morris. Creationist. Used for main biographical details. Could be improved or replaced, arguably justifiable as he will have written or authorised the web page.
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2006/0302morris.asp is linked from Henry M. Morris. Deceased creationist. Eulogy used for details of education. To improve or replace.
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v19/i2/creation.asp is linked from Arthur Rendle Short. Doctor and Christian writer, died 1953. AiG is used for biographical detail, should be replaced.
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/1999/08/02/wrong-progressive-creation is linked from Hugh Ross (creationist). AiG disagrees with him. Probably remove as non-notable critique. Independently removed. -Sigeng (talk) 04:19, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/events/details.aspx?Event_ID=6183 is linked from Marcus R. Ross. Used for the scientist speaking at a meeting organised by AiG. Probably OK, slightly smacks of debunking. Link broken, so removed. -Sigeng (talk) 04:59, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/isd is linked from Ariel A. Roth. URL for book chapter, containing education details for this creationist. URL can be taken out, book should be replaced. -Sigeng (talk) 04:59, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/189.asp is linked from Eugenie Scott. Anti creationist. Used for the view of AiG of her, debatable whether appropriate. Removed entire paragraph that cited this. All POV and badly sourced. -Sigeng (talk) 04:19, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2004/1201debate.asp is linked from Eugenie Scott. For the fact that she participated in a debate with them, second source for the fact. Probably OK. Not necessary - same details provided by better sources too. -Sigeng (talk) 04:59, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v15/i3/apes.asp is linked from Giuseppe Sermonti. For the fact that he published with them. Would be better just in the list of publications. Changed as suggested. -Sigeng (talk) 04:19, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2/4336news6-28-2000.asp is linked from Monty White. Member of AiG. EL to one of his articles. Removed ELs.
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v18/i1/fossils.asp is linked from Kurt Wise. Link to one of his articles, apparently the one that Dawkins picked on to criticise. Probably unnecessary to link. Not necessary.
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/isd/wise.asp is linked from Kurt Wise. For his views. Probably OK. OK but not necessary.
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/2646.asp#prof is linked from Verna Wright. Deceased creationist. No inline refs, this is supposed to reference biographical info. No inline refs; AiG adds little material not otherwise available.
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/bios/a_mcintosh.asp is linked from Andrew McIntosh (professor) Independently removed.

Science (all cleared)

 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/am/v3/n2/much-ado-about-moths is linked from Peppered moth evolution valid and validly weighted, replaced deadlink with full citation Fifelfoo (talk) 03:57, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v16/i1/clarkia.asp is linked from Clarkia fossil beds Copyvio, replaced with citation. Fifelfoo (talk) 01:28, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v17/i1/beetle.asp is linked from Bombardier beetle Copyvio, undue, failed verification removed. Fifelfoo (talk) 01:28, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v17/i3/bacteria.asp is linked from Nylon-eating bacteria and creationism Copyvio, undue, failed verification removed. Fifelfoo (talk) 01:28, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v18/i2/termites.asp is linked from Archedictyon removed, couldn't sustain the claim due to lack of an editorial policy. Fifelfoo (talk) 01:35, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2003/0821rate.asp is linked from Radiohalo General reference removed, was pointing at a dead link. Fifelfoo (talk) 04:00, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Debate around evolution

 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/Home/Area/faq/dont_use.asp is linked from Objections to evolution
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2008/01/24/attention-to-word-meaning is linked from Evolutionism
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/am/v4/n1/discontinuity is linked from Creation–evolution controversy
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/au/separation-of-christianity-and-state is linked from Objections to evolution
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v18/i3/wisdom_teeth.asp is linked from Objections to evolution
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v20/i4/evolution.asp is linked from Level of support for evolution
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v20/i4/french.asp is linked from Level of support for evolution
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v21/i4/design.asp is linked from Objections to evolution
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v27/i4/TimelineOfTheBible.pdf is linked from Ussher chronology
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v27/i4/timeline.asp is linked from Ussher chronology
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v6/i2/creationII.asp is linked from Creation–evolution controversy
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2001/0510news.asp is linked from History of the creation–evolution controversy
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2001/0510news.asp is linked from Creation–evolution controversy
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2002/0830_IDM.asp is linked from Intelligent design and science
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2004/0806faithful.asp is linked from Objections to evolution
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2004/1201debate.asp is linked from Creation and evolution in public education in the United States
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2005/0120cobb.asp is linked from Creation and evolution in public education in the United States
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2005/0607dutch_debate.asp is linked from Level of support for evolution
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2005/0810time.asp is linked from Intelligent design and science
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2006/1221cobb.asp is linked from Selman v. Cobb County School District
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/get-answers/topic/religion is linked from Objections to evolution
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/bios/ is linked from Level of support for evolution
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/bios/#presentsci is linked from Project Steve
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/bios/#presentsci is linked from Level of support for evolution
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/education.asp is linked from Creation and evolution in public education
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/education.asp is linked from Creation and evolution in public education in the United States
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/re2/chapter10.asp is linked from Irreducible complexity
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v10/i2/information.asp is linked from Objections to evolution Replaced with citation, claim remains dubious (needs second pair of eyes). Fifelfoo (talk) 01:45, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v13/i1/retina.asp is linked from Argument from poor design Valid external link, removed copyvio link. Fifelfoo (talk) 01:45, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v13/i2/nazi.asp is linked from Objections to evolution Replaced with citation, claim remains dubious (needs second pair of eyes). Fifelfoo (talk) 01:45, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v17/i2/pseudogene.asp is linked from Argument from poor design Valid external link, removed copyvio link. Fifelfoo (talk) 01:45, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v17/i3/chronogenealogies.asp is linked from Creation–evolution controversy Replaced copyvio with citation, claim remains dubiously weighted (needs second pair of eyes). Fifelfoo (talk) 01:45, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2008/01/22/flying-spaghetti-monster is linked from Flying Spaghetti Monster

History and archaeology (all cleared)

 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v12/i4/noah.asp is linked from Durupınar site cite appears fine. Fifelfoo (talk) 04:17, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v14/i4/report.asp is linked from Durupınar site  Fifelfoo (talk) 04:17, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v26/i2/tradition.asp is linked from Byzantine calendar. Need more eyes.  Paul James-Griffiths is a practicing professional in religion, and the claim is a commonplace (though perhaps misphrased in terms of it appearing to only be literal days).  My instinct is to keep it as near enough to valid, as a commonplace. Fifelfoo (talk) 04:23, 22 June 2012 (UTC) Keep, for now. Itsmejudith (talk) 14:37, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/293.asp is linked from Durupınar site removed, dead link and a duplicate citation (unnecessary) Fifelfoo (talk) 04:17, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/utp/the-pyramid-of-khafre is linked from Khufu ship WP:HISTRS; FRINGE apologetics publishers appropriate sources for historical claims (retained claim, probably true) Fifelfoo (talk) 04:39, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Philosophy (all cleared)

 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/TheWord/downloads/aig_resources.asp is linked from Fallacy of quoting out of context rm deadlink, not a source or citation, advertising a book
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/cfol/ch2-selection.asp is linked from Fallacy of quoting out of context appropriate & valid use, sustained by valid secondary sources, for the opinion of the work
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/cfol/ch3-vertebrates.asp is linked from Fallacy of quoting out of context promotional link spam

Sociology (all cleared)

 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v22/i1/holocaust.asp is linked from Social Darwinism. Copyvio link (AiG doesn't publish Creation), dead link, Creation 22:1 doesn't contain an article "The Holocaust and evolution".  Non-weighty claim, ie: a weight of non-scholarly opinion claim sourced off an example of that opinion, not of a review of the impact of that opinion. Fifelfoo (talk) 01:17, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Heres the link to the article, Creation 22(1):4 December 1999: http://creation.com/the-holocaust-and-evolution — raeky  t  03:37, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, resolved by replacing copyvio link with a valid link; weight issues noted to article talk. Fifelfoo (talk) 04:31, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v24/i3/nazi.asp is linked from Social Darwinism Copyvio link (AiG doesn't publish Creation), dead link, Creation 22:1 doesn't contain an article "Nazis planned to exterminate Christianity". Non-weighty claim, ie: a weight of non-scholarly opinion claim sourced off an example of that opinion, not of a review of the impact of that opinion. Fifelfoo (talk) 01:17, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Heres the link and proper source: Creation 24(3):47 June 2002: http://creation.com/nazis-planned-to-exterminate-christianity — raeky  t  03:40, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, resolved by replacing copyvio link with a valid link; weight issues noted to article talk. Fifelfoo (talk) 04:31, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/cainan/ is linked from Kenan Citation removed as inappropriate, claim retained as probable.  non-scholarly non-theologian being cited on text interpretation, publication lacking adequate editorial oversight for theology / biblical hermeneutics Fifelfoo (talk) 01:22, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Theology, Bible
*http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v20/i4/noah.asp is linked from Javan removed, date uncertain Mangoe (talk) 13:36, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/Home/Area/answersbook/sixdays2.asp is linked from Framework interpretation (Genesis)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2011/05/27/feedback-circular-reasoning is linked from Presuppositional apologetics
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2012/03/09/feedback-timeline-for-the-flood#fnList_1_2 is linked from Noah's Ark
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/am/v3/n2/dinosaurs-alive-after-babel is linked from Leviathan
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/am/v3/n2/dinosaurs-alive-after-babel is linked from Behemoth
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/am/v3/n2/everyday-life is linked from Biblical authority
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/tj/v15/n2/behemoth is linked from Behemoth
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v14/i3/schmidt.asp is linked from Evolutionary origin of religions
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v22/i2/design.asp is linked from Christian apologetics
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/3764.asp/ is linked from Flood myth
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/3768.asp/ is linked from Flood myth
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2004/0329gilgamesh.asp/ is linked from Flood myth
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/events/details.aspx?Event_ID=6183 is linked from Thomas Road Baptist Church dead link; cites a conference that did happen Mangoe (talk) 13:57, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/Area/isd/wanser.asp is linked from Christian apologetics
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/flood.asp is linked from Christian apologetics
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/magazines/docs/v7n2_biami.asp/ is linked from Flood myth
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/magazines/docs/v7n3_chief.asp/ is linked from Flood myth
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/overheads/pages/oh20010817_64.asp is linked from Christian naturism removed cited claim (very dubious) Mangoe (talk) 13:57, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/qa.asp is linked from Scientific foreknowledge in sacred texts removed, generic ext link Mangoe (talk) 13:36, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v16/i3/orthodoxy.asp is linked from Allegorical interpretations of Genesis removed, date uncertain Mangoe (talk) 13:36, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v18/i3/bellybutton.asp is linked from Omphalos hypothesis prevarication in the lede, link spam, no sign of theological weight. Deleted along with claim. Fifelfoo (talk) 04:43, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/405.asp is linked from Omphalos hypothesis prevarication in the lede, link spam, no sign of theological weight. Deleted along with claim. Fifelfoo (talk) 04:43, 22 June 2012 (UTC)