Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/AzaToth


 * ''The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a request for adminship that did not succeed. Please do not modify it.

AzaToth
Final (54/20/8) ending 23:57, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

– Most of my time here, I usually try to help, so my count of genuine articles isn't the highest. The most I have done is wikifying articles and stub-sorting. Otherwise I have been most in template space, helping creating useful templates people want or might want (I sadly created a lot of controversy by creating qif etc...), and a lot in project space, for example writing and editing help pages at meta, closing at WP:TFD. I think personally that wikipedia could get more help from me if I got adminship. → A z a  Toth 23:39, 19 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here: per selfnomination I accept. → A z a  Toth 23:57, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Support
 * 1) Of course. Thank you. --Ligulem 00:06, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 2) Capable and worthy of our trust. Sarge Baldy 00:07, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 3) Looks like a great administrator-to-be. Tutmosis 00:21, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 4) Support. The nominee's low mainspace edit count is misleading because he contributes to articles indirectly by editing templates. Admin tools would help him because a lot of high-profile templates, including several that he has created, are protected. He will also likely show good judgement at WP:TFD, since he has plenty of experience with templates. There is no reason not to trust him with adminship. -- Tantalum T  e  lluride  00:23, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 5) Support Pegasus1138 Talk 00:31, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 6) Support - Has made numerous exemplary herculean contributions. Great Wikipedian. --CBDunkerson 00:40, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 7) Support. Great # of contributions and a lot of contributions to the WP namespace. Keep up the editing! -- J @  red  [T]/[+ ] 00:51, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 8) Support. Trustworthy user, specialist in template space, and we will all benefit from his having admin tools.  Antandrus  (talk) 00:52, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 9) Support specialized admins. Editor is a "god of templates", which makes him mop-worthy. I trust him not to use the mop in areas where he less familiar.  I would like more thorough answers to the questions, though. Xoloz 00:56, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 10) Support Robert McClenon 01:08, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 11) Strong support. I think the template work has been extremely useful and even just the reason of wanting to edit protected pages is enough reason for me.  AzaToth's behind-the-scenes work to improve Wikipedia and provide tools to that end are a bigger benefit to the project than one more administator concerned with debating policy.  No reason to suspect he will abuse admin privledges, and adminship is no big deal, right? —Doug Bell talk•contrib 01:31, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 12) Support This user shows that he can be trusted. - Richardcavell 02:22, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 13) Support I have very little to do with the template pages, but it looks like he's done good work there. JoshuaZ 02:39, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 14) --Jaranda wat's sup 02:56, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 15) Support per TantalumTelluride and Richardcav. Joe 05:14, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 16) Strongest possible support, absolutely great template editor and wonderful to work with. —Locke Cole • t • c 06:25, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 17) Support, I see no problem with this user. J I P  | Talk 07:28, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 18) Support per Xoloz who always seems more capable at making my arguments than I am. Hiding talk 10:59, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 19) Support. Qif is protected anyway, so I suppose AT needs adminship to do his job! Good potential admin, in any case. haz  (us e r talk) 14:10, 20 March 2006
 * 20) Support We need more admins. -- S iva1979 Talk to me  14:21, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 21) Support Seems like this fellow has a genuine need for the tools, and that people trust him. It would be better if we could just hand him the ability to edit protected pages, but since we can't, well, I'm sure he won't abuse the other tools. --kingboyk 15:08, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 22) Support After further review of this candidate, I've decided to change my vote from "Oppose" to "Support". [[Image:Flag of Ohio.svg|20px]]  mm  e  inhart ''' 17:29, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 23) Support, for all his great template work. Kusma (討論) 19:44, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 24) Support - I don't usually vote, but; AsaToth has good uses for the tools. Go to it. JesseW, the juggling janitor 21:52, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 25) Support I see no evidence that this nominee will abuse his admin tools.--MONGO 00:50, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 26) Support good admin candidate --rogerd 02:20, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 27) Support no reason to believe AzaToth will abuse admin privilleges, also shows initiative in wanting to serve the project in such capacity. -- Jay  (Reply)  02:34, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 28) Support - templates are just as important as articles, since most articles have templates. Mostly per kingboyk. -- Jjjsixsix (t)/(c) @ 03:05, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 29) Support per above. --Khoikhoi 05:37, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 30) Support. Writing articles isn't for everyone. Doing amazing magic voodoo with templates isn't for everyone either, but it is for AzaToth. He's contributed a lot to Wikipedia on the meta-level, in places where it needs it, and the ability to edit protected templates would let him contribute even more.  r speer  / ɹəəds ɹ  07:35, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 31) Support.  Grue   19:34, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 32) Apparently a controversial nomination here... I don't quite get why though. Reasons given seem valid, user seems worthy. Give Carl the mop... Support  + +Lar: t/c 21:37, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 33) Support --Latinus 23:13, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 34) Support. per CBDunkerson, who has good opinions. &Euml;vilphoenix Burn! 03:20, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 35) Support --Ter e nce Ong 09:06, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 36) Support, perfectly valid reasons for requiring admin tools. Far more valid than the countless editors who breeze through RfA with 60+ supports and no opposes, gained by toeing the line, never being bold, taking care to always support other's RFAs (at least, until they become admins themselves), and doing virtually nothing in article space but vandalism reverting, which confers no more knowledge of article editing than AzaToth has.     Proto    ||    type    13:20, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 37) Support. Merits the mop. Matt Yeager ♫ ( Talk? ) 23:57, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 38) Support per Xoloz. the wub "?!"  00:15, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 39) Support I agree with CBDunkerson and Doug Bell. Template work is extremely important; at least as, if not more so, than main page edits. --Mmounties ( Talk )  [[Image:pawprint.png|20px]] 02:30, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 40) Support - The fact that he does not want to use the admin tools extensively does not mean he should not have them. Admin powers will probably come in handy during the course of his template work - they'll be a tool for what he already does, not a new job.  --  stillnotelf   has a talk page  02:34, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 41) Support - I Don't agree with any reason given by those who oppose his candidacy. His work is important. --h y dkat 06:25, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 42) Support An oppose, for me at least, would be to underestimate AzaToth's hard work behind the scenes. Good candidate! - W e zzo (talk) (ubx) 08:45, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 43) Support, looks like a very valuable user who could make good use of the tools. Leith p 09:23, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 44) Support per rspeer and supporting useful, non-cookie-cutter candidates. No one objecting seems to have anything more strenuous to say than "299 article edits?!?!?", totally disregarding his otherspace edits. -- nae'blis (talk) 22:24, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 45) Support Obviously a bit of a specialist in template space. Low article count in this context doesn't trouble me. Would definitely be an asset to WP with admin tools. Need to improve use of edit summaries though. -- Cactus.man  &#9997;  12:51, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 46) Support: Editing protected templates seems like a good reason to me, and there's no evidence he'll misuse admin tools. TimBentley 16:56, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 47) Support Seems trustworthy, needs admin tools to edit permanently protected templates, adminship is no big deal. Enjoy your mop. — Omegatron 00:12, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 48) Support The inventor of qif should be able to continue its development, and the development of all protected templates. Plus, I don't see any way he could misuse adminship, so why not? -- M  @  th  wiz  20  20  00:18, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 49) Support: helpful and friendly, even if I can't always follow him into the realms of template genius[[Image:Teeth.png|16px]]. HTH HAND —Phil | Talk 00:32, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 50) Support. I'm amazed with the low main namespace edit count, 'cause I remember seeing AzaToth here and there, but I still support per his answer to Q4 (myself also hardly being able to find any issues to write about). Misza 13  T C 11:32, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 51) Support. Locking templates to guard against mass vandalism, if nothing else, will be useful.--HereToHelp 03:20, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 52) Strong Support -- This is not your average candidate. Please support this active and competent template editor; do not force him to make article edits outside of his competence in order to succeed at a later date. He's not entirely sure what he'll do with the tools, but I trust his good sense of workmanship. John Reid 05:31, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Just to clarify, he does know one thing he'll do with the tools: maintain the many templates he's created that are now indefinitely protected. That reason is enough for me. —Doug Bell talk•contrib 05:59, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 1) Support This user will use the admin. abilities to the good of Wikipedia and can be trusted with them. Jedi6  -(need help?)  07:21, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 2) Support; a lot of good work with templates, and he would do good work with the tools. Ral315 (talk) 21:46, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Oppose
 * 1) Come back when you want to actually DO something with admin tools - your answers below don't show any current desire of that type Cynical 00:11, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Well you are definitely living up to your username, care to give a less snide and rude reason to oppose? Pegasus1138 Talk 00:31, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Everyone, please mind WP:CIVIL. M o e   ε  01:01, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, but I hade some trouble formulate a good answer, I can try to reformulate me tomorrow, but now I have to go to sleep. → A z a  Toth 01:04, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry folks, this was not intended as an attack on AzaToth - quite the opposite, I think he's a great Wikipedian having read some of his talkpage contributions, I just don't see any intention to use admin tools to do anything in AzaToth's answers, therefore I don't see the point in awarding them Cynical 18:39, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 1) Oppose Not enough actual article editing. Only 299 edits to main namespace. Low communication with other editors too. No clear-cut knowledge of policies shown. And his answers to the admin questions aren't very convincing either. Sorry, but IMO, you should retry when you become more involved as a whole on Wikipedia rather than based solely around template editing, although you're doing a fantastic job with that. :-) M o e   ε  01:01, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 2) Oppose Per Cynical, honestly these tools are to clean house, protected pages do not stay protected for long and there is no need to grant sysop rights just to edit them. Formulate new answers and I will revise my decision tomorow. Mike (T C) [[Image:Star_of_life2.svg|20px]] 01:19, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, you are incorrect about the length of protection in this case. There are dozens of templates which have been protected continuously for months now. Thus, admin access is fairly often a requirement for performing the sort of template work AzaToth does. It is amusing to note that there are several templates which he created that he now does not have the access to maintain. --CBDunkerson 02:27, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Just in case it's not been made clear elsewhere; certain templates will remain protected for a long time period in order to prevent one abusive edit causing serious problems across the 'pedia. Rob Church 21:04, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 1) Oppose While I do like his work on templates, and disposition, I feel he needs more mainspace edits. --Masssiveego 01:28, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 2) Oppose Your answers to the questions are a bit weak and vague. In question one, you don't indicate why you feel the ability to edit protected articles is important. And given that you don't edit too many articles in the first place, I'm not sure why you would need that. joturner 01:49, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Note that many of the template pages are protected. Needing to edit protected pages doesn't imply a need to edit protected article pages.  Plus, many of the protected templates are permanently protected. —Doug Bell talk•contrib 01:54, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I didn't think of that. But I still believe the answers are weak overall and thus am staying with Oppose. joturner 04:39, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 1) Oppose not enough article edits, question answers are woolly.Blnguyen | Have your say!!! 02:29, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 2) Oppose. Sorry, but a big no for me. Self-nom is usually a minus, and you have very few article edits. Also, as said above, your question answers are quite shaky and short. Weatherman90 03:07, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 3) Oppose per Moe ε.  Of the 299, a large portion are stub sorting and reversions, too. ×Meegs 05:23, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 4) Oppose strongly per above and more. -- Netoholic @ 08:14, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 5) Oppose per Moe - Aksi great 12:21, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 6) Oppose: Sorry, but 300 edits to the main article space don't show enough experience. Please keep building the encyclopedia, using an edit summary every time, and in time this will come. Jonathunder 23:42, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Oppose Sorry you have not yet met my minimum standards. Changing vote to support.  [[Image:Flag of Ohio.svg|20px]]  mm  e  inhart ''' 16:32, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 1) Oppose per Jonathunder - with thanks for all the hard work on the templates - just not enough yet in all facets of wikipedia for me to support  Trödel  03:02, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 2) Oppose. Need nore article edits. 69% of edit summary usage looks not high enough to me.--Jusjih 03:14, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 3) Oppose for edit summaries and count. - M ask [[Image:Flag_of_Alaska.svg|20 px]] 03:10, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 4) Oppose, nowhere near enough edits in main article space, and concerns about edit summaries. Stifle 15:20, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 5) Oppose per Moe. Sarah Ewart (Talk) 02:09, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 6) *(switched to neutral) Fantastic template editor, but you need more experience in other editing spaces. To produce less than 400 edits in mainspace and expect admiship is an bit of an insult to other, more active editors with edit counts that would make one's eyes water. -ZeroTalk 21:11, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 7) Oppose per Moe and Megaman Zero. Jayjg (talk) 22:11, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 8) Oppose per Moe. –Joke 03:06, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 9) Very Strong Oppose. Meets most of my requirements but has <500 main edits (article edits) I mean really. What's the point of supporting someone with <500 main edits and yet she has >1000 template and >900 project edits. Comment:EDIT A LOT MORE!!!! [[Image:Flag of Montenegro.svg|25px]] CrnaGora (Talk | Contribs | E-mail) 05:25, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Your question was answered in the discussion that has been taking place on this page (see comments). Perhaps you didnt' read them before casting your vote?  --Mmounties ( Talk )  [[Image:pawprint.png|20px]] 18:50, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 1) Strong Oppose lack of mainspace edits. Computerjoe 's talk 20:14, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Neutral
 * 1) Neutral Despite his great contributions to templates which helps the project, less than 300 edits and the answers to the q's below need to be improved upon.  G i zza Chat  &#169; 06:26, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 2) Neutral Agree with DaGizza. Just short of my Yes vote criteria--Looper5920 08:58, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 3) Neutral In all honesty I thought AzaToth was already an admin, and I don't see any real reason to oppose. However, the answers to the questions below cause me to 'vote' neutral. Prodego  talk  20:17, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 4) Perhaps later. - Mailer Diablo 13:50, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 5) Neutral. His work on templates is breathtaking, and he's made it much easier for the rest of us. However, he is not a very active user in terms of article space edits. -- May the Force be with you! Shreshth91 ($ |-| ŗ 3 $ |-| ţ |-|)  16:01, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 6) Oppose, I'm afraid. Changed to neutral. Weak answers to questions, rather cliché nomination and he doesn't have enough main or Wikipedia namespace edits; interaction in either area is important to my mind. Rob Church 14:32, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * As this here is a discussion about giving Carl the sysop bit (and not a mere voting), I'll deposit some of my thoughts about your opposition. As you are one of the developers you have a good understanding of the technical matter that relates to this candidacy. Therefore you have a bit a higher responsibility when stating your opinion. As you are one of the "hidden" opposers of qif, I assume your bad faith here in opposing Carl. Instead of having taken part in the discussion at WP:AUM you appear on the RFA's opposing admin candidates that have an opinion which does not conform to yours. You guys have tried to fight against that qif, but you have failed. On the en Wikipedia more than 100'000 articles depend indirectly on qif today. This is a fact. You can oppose wherever you want and be against whoever you want, qif will not vanish by this. As you obviously believe the damage that Carl would do with the sysop bit to Wikipedia outweighs his potential benefit, I assume you will put qif on your watchlist and take care of it personally, as your are better suited for this task. You are responsible for it, due to the fact that you hinder attempts to effectively protect qif. Ah, yes, I forgot, that's one of the arguments of the qif opposers, the vandal vector. Really great. Good luck! --Ligulem 17:35, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Outrageous. I don't like meta-templates, but I don't care, either. I oppose candidates who I feel do not demonstrate qualities suitable to be an administrator. This response shows an appalling lack of good faith. I do not oppose people on the basis of their opinions and never have done. I am rather angered that anyone could consider that to be the case, and I am frankly appalled at the thoroughly foul attitude of this response, and I am appalled at your childish and rude tone. I would like an apology. Rob Church 18:34, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * "You are responsible for it due to the fact that you hinder attempts to effectively protect [it]." What a load of bollocks. I re-read your comment and now I am angry. You are completely out of order. Rob Church 18:38, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 1) Neutral.  psch  e  mp  |  talk  15:07, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 2) Fantastic template editor, but you need more experience in other editing spaces. To produce less than 400 edits in mainspace and expect admiship is an bit of an insult to other, more active editors with edit counts that would make one's eyes water. Changed to neutral, I find the canidate's calm attitude and honest nature sastisfying. I understand his qualm about not contributing to mainspace.-ZeroTalk 16:42, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Comments


 * Edit summary usage: 69% for major edits and 69% for minor edits. Based on the last 150 major and 100 minor edits in the article namespace. Mathbot 00:00, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * See AzaToth's edit count and contribution tree with Interiot's tool.


 * I would ask everyone not to apply the usual 'cookie cutter' standards to this candidate. No, he is not an exact clone of every other admin... but he is an outstanding Wikipedian. People looking at 'main space edits' should consider that templates created or updated by AzaToth are used in hundreds of thousands of main space pages. No, he doesn't spend alot of time editing articles, but because of the templates his work is probably used in more articles than that of any other Wikipedian. Our admins should not all have to contribute in the same ways... often it is the ones who contribute in ways others do not who are the most valuable. --CBDunkerson 02:40, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I completely agree with CBDunkerson&mdash;in fact, if I applied my own standards for adminship, I would vote oppose. However, AzaToth's work with templates has been a great enabler and provided fantastic examples for my own work with templates.  I think the issue with adminship rests on two questions that each editor needs to decide when voting:
 * Can the user be trusted to use admin powers responsibly and for the good of the encyclopedia?
 * Are granting admin privileges to the user going to benefit the encyclopedia?
 * For me, the clear answer to both questions is yes. (Note that while I've had no direct interactions with the nominee, this is the first nominee that I've given strong support because the work he has done has been of such a great benefit and it is valuable in large part precisely because it is different than what most editors are doing.) —Doug Bell talk•contrib 08:35, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment I have changed my vote from "oppose" to "support" mainly in light of the proceeding comments made by User:Doug Bell. [[Image:Flag of Ohio.svg|20px]] mm  e  inhart ''' 19:14, 20 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Seems like those citing "minimum standards" and edit counts in the "main space" are making quite arbitrary judgements. If those same minimum standards were applied to editing on templates and template talk pages, almost no sysops would be qualified to carry the mop.  Therefore, they are very lop-sided.  AzaToth has an interest in templates.  He has not completely ignored the rest of Wikipedia, but he has an interest in templates and that's what he's good at.  Most current sysops, and most of those who voted here so far, have an interest in writing articles, editing articles and discussing them.  AzaToth has an interest to work on templates, edit them and discuss them on the Template talk pages.  So please explain to me, what makes the contributor better who has an interest in military history, and who will therefore automatically accumulate all those "main space" edits that satisfy the so often quoted minimum standards, but who pretty much ignored template work alltogether, what, prey tell, makes him more qualified than the contributor who's project page is not Military History or German Translations but rather Templates, and who has therefore contributed mainly to templates while, by the way, still accumulating a fair number of edits in the main space?  Those minimum standards are worrysome, to say the least.  More so, I dare say, they're discriminatory.  They say that article editors are better and worth more than those who do work on the infrastructure that is used in all those articles.  Therefore, please take note:  Template work affects all the other -spaces in the pedia.  Yes, all of them.  It should therefore count at least as much as edits to the main space.  --Mmounties ( Talk )  [[Image:pawprint.png|20px]] 03:39, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
 * For my part I guess I'm putting faith in the 'crat that closes this to see that main-space article edits is the only significant objection of just about every oppose vote, yet AzaToth is not requesting adminship to preside over article space matters. His request is mostly narrowly focused on obtaining the tools he needs to best continue his valuable and somewhat unique contributions to the encyclopedia.  So in deciding whether to grant the mop, the oppose votes do not need to be discounted, but rather, the issue needs to be decided whether AzaToth's narrowly focused request for adminship is worthy of granting privileges that are "no big deal".  Nobody has raised any concerns about whether AzaToth is trustworthy, nor whether he does good work that benefits the 'pedia.  So the question is simply whether or not adminship should be granted for the narrow purpose of furthering AzaToth's template work, not one of his worthiness to weild the mop for that purpose. —Doug Bell talk•contrib 06:45, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Outrageous. I hate these sorts of quibbles with people's objections. I know these comments are not targeted exclusively at my vote, but for me lack of mainspace edits is not a problem if I see strong evidence of needing administrator tools or clear evidence that the user is thoughtful and unlikely to abuse admin tools (either with prior experience mediating conflicts, thoughtful answers to RfA questions, or demonstrated prior experience with policy issues). I don't see this here. I am convinced, based on the numerous support votes here, that AzaToth is a great editor, but I stand by my vote (per Moe and Rob Church's neutral vote). To say that it all reduces to mainspace edits is rubbish. –Joke 21:28, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't know if you were directing your outrageous remark at me, but I wasn't quibbling with people's objections, and in fact said that they should not be discounted. I just think it's not an issue at this point with how many more people don't think that AzaToth doesn't have enough article edits&mdash;heck, I don't think he does either for general-purpose admining. I think the question is whether his non-article purpose is valid, which obviously I'm swayed by. —Doug Bell talk•contrib 21:41, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I fully agree with Doug. AzaToth's not asking for sysop tools to start banning people and get involved in sorting out revert wars.  From what I read between the lines, he'd run for dear life before getting into anything like that.  Main space edits are a fairly good indicator for sysops that work in updating and adding articles.  The point I was trying to make is, you can't measure a specialist by the rules you apply to generalists (i.e., editors in the encyclopedia).  That would be tantamount to requiring the applicant for a Chief Financial Officer position at a hospital to go to medical school and get an MD first.  It would be nonsense because he doesn't need a medical degree but rather experience in the field of finance.  Same thing here.  It just doesnt' make sense to apply the same measuring stick to a template specialist that would be perfectly fine if applied to a generalist.  Along the same lines, our RfA questions are really geared toward main space editors.  Therefore it doesn't surprise me that AzaToth's answers don't sound particularly great to many who have read them.  -  AzaToth needs sysop tools to do his work on templates.  That's the bottom line.  And that's why he should get them.  --Mmounties ( Talk )  [[Image:pawprint.png|20px]] 23:50, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Questions for the candidate

Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Wikipedia in this capacity. Please take the time to answer a few generic questions to provide guidance for voters:
 * 1. What sysop chores, if any, would you anticipate helping with? Please check out Category:Wikipedia backlog, and read the page about administrators and the administrators' reading list.
 * A. I often read the administrators noticeboards, and even if I can't do anything, I usually find it relevant to know what's going on. I have closed a couple of discussions on TFD, so it's logical that I continue my work on such areas (MFD and TFD mostly, or perhaps AFD also).
 * Because I have a somewhat good insight into how mediawiki works, I think my work here would benefit from being able to edit protected pages (templates and mediawiki space for example).
 * Otherwise I would probably do the usual RC-patrol and simlar to protect and unprotect pages as needed for the wikipedia to function optimally.


 * 2. Of your articles or contributions to Wikipedia, are there any about which you are particularly pleased, and why?
 * A. As stated, my edit count in the main space isn't the highest, this is mostly because I have usually worked behind the scene, trying to improve for others. One other reason for the relatively low edit count there could be that I usually have a problem finding anything to write about, perhaps this is psycological, but I always think that what I could write about is non-notable. If I have to choose, I would say that I helped some at Leet and Jamtlandic.


 * 3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or do you feel other users have caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
 * A. I'm not foolproof, for example when WP:AUM was hot, I sadly found myself in conflict with others, as I tried to explain my point of view on technical grounds, I felt that no one listened. But luckly I managed to calm down, and let the time have it's pace (I don't know what I just wrote here, but...). The best way to avoid conflicts is to ignore yourself, and try to look at the problem in a such objective way as possible. So now sometimes, even if my inner ego assumes bad faith, I'll try to force my mind to assume the opposite.


 * 4. Some editors in this RfA have expressed concern over a lack of mainspace edits. Do you have any specific response to those concerns? Thanks, JoshuaZ 22:28, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * A. I can understand those concerns, and I'll try to explain. The main reason is that I have had trouble finding specific issues to write about. My area of expertise is computer science, and because of some reason, there are already a lot of data in that area, finding anything new to write about I find rather tricky. Perhaps I could write a lot about Perl etc... but I don't know if people want such articles.


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the talk page of either this nomination or the nominated user). No further edits should be made to this page.