Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Dusti 3


 * ''The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a request for adminship that did not succeed. Please do not modify it.

Dusti
'''Final: (7/26/3) Withdrawn by candidate. Closed by Bradjamesbrown (talk) at 16:53, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Nomination
– Dear fellow colleagues (if you will). I've been on Wikipedia for almost three years now, and I have been through up's and down's just like most editors. I would first off like to tackle what is likely to be a concern, and that is lack of activity for a year. During that time, I was having some major RL issues and underwent a very much needed/majorly enforced wiki break. This was at the suggestion of many, and very much needed. I am back now, all issues resolved, and the community will have my full participation as a sysop.

I will not try to say that I am an expert in all Sysop area's, because I am not. For those areas that I am unsure of, I will leave alone unless I have the assistance or advice of a more tenured sysop. I will, of course, try to gain more experience in those areas for which I am not as knowledgeable as others, but no one is perfect. I will also patch up the area's that I'm kinda rusty or rough around the edges in. All this will happen regardless of the outcome of this Rfa.

Former requests for adminship can be found at Requests_for_adminship/dustihowe and Requests_for_adminship/Dustihowe_2. Please note that the first Rfa was done due to a lack of understanding on what Wikipedia really is. I was overzealous, and too quick. The second one I was eager, and unwilling to wait.

I feel that with over 7,000 edits and over 700 deleted edits, I am seasoned enough to be able to handle the bits and work in the areas that I am comfortable in (dealing with vandalism, etc.) and ease my way into the other areas that I am not fully engulfed in yet.  D u s t i SPEAK!! 22:27, 29 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here: Self nomination.  D u s t i SPEAK!! 22:33, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Questions for the candidate
Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Wikipedia as an administrator. It is recommended that you answer these optional questions to provide guidance for participants:
 * 1. What administrative work do you intend to take part in?
 * A: The main areas that I am most active in right now are WP:AFC, WP:AIV, WP:UAA, New Pages, and anti-vandalism work. I occasionally work with username creation as well. I'll expand into more areas like CSD and AFD, however, I'll work in those areas with caution until I feel more comfortable doing admin work there. I am currently working with a couple of sysops in the CSD area and am working to gain more experience there.
 * 2. What are your best contributions to Wikipedia, and why?
 * A: I feel that the best contributions I have given Wikipedia are my wiki gnoming. I'm not a major content writer, I'm more of someone who will fix the occasional typo, someone who will revert vandalism and stop the bad guys, and someone who works to make sure it's a quality work. This is what I'm most comfortable doing, and I don't have an issue creating new articles, as I work with AFC, however, it's not what I enjoy doing. I feel that those who do sysop work don't have to be pure content creators, as there still need to be those who polish and shine the project as well.
 * 3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
 * A: Nothing major that caused any concerns or issues to be blocked. There have been questions that have been raised due to miscommunication or minor things like that, but nothing that would have caused major stress. One of the things that I am looking for here is understanding and acceptance to the fact that since my last Rfa (under username Dustihowe) I have grown and matured in myself, and will not make the same mistakes twice.


 * Additional optional question from Delicious carbuncle
 * Dusti, in this recent ANI thread about personal attacks that another user made on me in their user and talk page headers, you first opined "I feel that, as he is making allegations, unsolicited allegations at that against an editor, he should be blocked" but later attempted to close the thread stating "There is nothing that can be done here at ANI".
 * 4. Given that you had suggested that the user be blocked for personal attacks, why would you, as a non-admin, suggest that the discussion did not belong on ANI?
 * The user, with given information at first sight, did show that a possible block was in order, however I, as a non-sysop, could not for sure make that call. I gave an opinion on what I saw, however, the content that was in the discussion showed that ANI was not the appropriate place for the discussion, and other editors later agreed that an RFCU needed to be done, as more input, evidence, etc. was needed. 23:09, 29 March 2010 (UTC)


 * 5. Having seen how the situation was resolved and having had a few days to think about your actions, would you still attempt to close an ongoing discussion, edit war to keep the discussion closed, and lobby for someone else to close the discussion when your premature closure was reverted?
 * I do not feel that this edit shows an edit war, as there was a discussion taking place on my talk page at the time. Now, I, as a current non sysop, did what I feel was best, which was remove myself from the situation and post how I felt on the ANI thread to echo other editors feelings regarding the thread not being there. I will state that (in reflection) it would have been probably best for me to wait to see if the thread was closed by another individual first after 24 hours on the board, or, wait for a sysop to close the thread after all comments and suggestions to go to RFCU had been exhausted.


 * Additional optional question from Mike Cline
 * 6. Dusti, if Admin roles were compartmentalized, in other words a bureaucrat assigned Admins to various Mop and bucket tasks in WP based on the Admin’s experience and desires and you could only work in those areas, which one of the following compartments would you chose to work in and why? (chose only one):
 * a. The Deletion department, where your job was to close CSDs, PRODs, and AfDs.
 * b. The Vandalism department, where your job was to patrol for vandalism, revert it and block vandals.
 * c. The Article Improvement department, where your job was to find ways to help new and old editors improve WP articles and bring them in-line with WP policies and guidelines and prevent their deletion.
 * d. The Dispute Resolution department, where your job was to help resolve disputes between editors on WP.
 * A: I would choose option B, as that is what I currently do. As you can see below, there are some things I need to clean up in relation to AFD's, and I would want to be somewhere the community most felt comfortable with me in relations to my "position". I feel that the most important part of Wikipedia is it's appearance, and cleaning up after vandalism is extremely important.  D u s t i SPEAK!! 23:51, 29 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Additional optional question from User:Tuxedo junction
 * 7. How important to your think it is for Wikipedia to attract and retain content editors to build the encyclopaedia? Where do you rank this as a priority?
 * A: I feel that content creation should be a main priority for Wikipedia. I would say obtaining Wikipedia's image (in regards to maintaining a safe enviornement, holding correct and verifiable information, and reversion of vandalism) is number one, and then retaining editors is second. Wikipedia should be a fun, enjoyable place for editors to come and share their knowledge, as long as they are constructive editors who are willing to follow Wikipedia's policies.

General comments

 * Links for Dusti:
 * Edit summary usage for Dusti can be found here.

''Please keep discussion constructive and civil. If you are unfamiliar with the nominee, please thoroughly review Special:Contributions/Dusti before commenting.''

Discussion
I want to outline some concerns here for future editors who see this:


 * 1) In regards to AFD closures, a some of my BOLD closures that were reverted did close in the same manner (as a keep). As I stated below, I will be staying away from AFD as a sysop, unless I am !voting.
 * 2) In regards to the final warning, there was an ANI discussion (see link below) and other editors did agree with the warning. The original edit did look like a test edit, and the user had been previously warned. An apology was placed on the Users talk page, and it was also accepted by the user.
 * 3) In regards to judgement skills, please realize that whether a sysop or editor, we are all human. I feel that I have been more of a constructive editor and have made a difference with Wikipedia. With the sysop tools, my efforts with Anti-Vandalism and at WP:ACC/WP:AIV/WP:ANI/and WP:AFC can be more of an impact and helpful.


 * Could you please opt-in to Soxred's edit counter graphs? Please note that this is a request and nothing more. NW ( Talk ) 22:45, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Created.  D u s t i SPEAK!! 22:48, 29 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Just curious, why do you have so many talk page edits compared to other namespaces, almost half your edits?-- Jac 16888 Talk 22:55, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Most of the work that I have been involved in involves antivandalism which explains a large amount of user talk, working with Article creation (which also involves talk page edits), and with AIV/AN/I, etc.  D u s t i SPEAK!! 22:57, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, most people who use Huggle a lot of the time have their contributions split between article and user talk pages... Take a gander at mine for a good example, and some other examples like J.delanoy and Tide rolls. The Thing  //  Talk  //  Contribs   23:09, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
 * If it was from vandalism there would surely be a corresponding number of edits to mainspace? I'm not having a go by the way, just curious, don't remember seeing such a high proportion of user talk edits before-- Jac 16888 Talk 23:04, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

As an editor who appears to still be in the middle of coaching, this RFA is certainly premature. Additionally, the recent issues the candidate has had should have been a sign to wait. RFA isn't going to go anywhere. Patience is a wonderful skill. I think the candidate should concentrate on other things not related to becoming an admin. Aiken  &#9835;  02:27, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Support

 * 1) Support Experienced in anti-vandalism and CSD work, will make a fine admin. The Thing  //  Talk  //  Contribs  22:43, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Support. I agree with The Thing. This user would certainly be trusted with the mop.  N ERDY S CIENCE D UDE  (✉ message • changes) 22:50, 29 March 2010 (UTC) Changed to oppose.  N ERDY S CIENCE D UDE  (✉ message • changes) 13:45, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * 1)  R a i n b o w S u p p o r t  Good guy, lots of work on CSD and anti-vandalism! Hope this passes! -- FA IL ! Talk 23:00, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Again, Fail? What's with all the rainbow supports?  N ERDY S CIENCE D UDE  (✉ message • changes) 23:14, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Well as you can clearly see, they're  R a i n b o w f u l : D -  F ASTILYsock (T ALK ) 00:10, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) Strong support Great helper around here. Wonderful at CVN, as The Thing said earlier. Would be a great admin! Pilif12p (contribs) 00:27, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * 2) Support, I know I'm going against the run of things here, but I'm not particularly concerned by the things brought up in the Oppose section. Korath's diffs are over a year old, and it strikes me as pretty harsh holding something that old against the user.  The business with Tuxedo junction was regrettable, but given the user's combative nature and this comment, I'm happy to overlook it as an innocent misunderstanding.  No evidence that this user would abuse the tools.  Lankiveil (speak to me) 00:57, 30 March 2010 (UTC).
 * While some of the closes were from last year, about half were from January 2010. While I agree that it's usually unfair to bring up year-old edits, I don't think it's unreasonable in this case: not only do they show a continuing pattern when combined with the more recent ones, but Dusti didn't edit at all from February 2009 to January 2010. &mdash;Korath (Talk) 01:18, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I explained that reason above.  D u s t i SPEAK!! 01:20, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) Support friendly, helpful and good track record doing admin like work without a mop. FeydHuxtable (talk) 11:49, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * 2) moral support at this time as you are generally a good contributor but the timing of your RfA could have been better, once issues were resolved and not so heated. I had suggested a bit more time in returning from your break to ease into things when you asked on IRC but you seem to have jumped right in. A little more patience would be good. delirious  &amp;  lost  ☯ ~hugs~ 16:17, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * 3) moral support - I think that Dusti is a pretty decent up-and-coming vandal whacker, but I see a very serious lack of judgment. I mark this up to inexperience rather than carelessness, I suggest that this user gives it four or five months and tries again. Trusilver  16:21, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Oppose

 * 1) Some of his closures at AFD are frightful, amounting to supervotes: a close after fourteen hours with rationale "Several hits when doing a Google search", "You CANNOT make an AFD based on personal opinions", a speedy keep because the article "hasnt [sic] been tagged for clean up or expansion", another speedy keep because "This &#91;WP:BEFORE&#93; hasn't been followed... and sources have been shared". His close of Articles for deletion/The Skeptic's Annotated Bible (2nd nomination) was especially poor, even more so in light of his later comment on that afd. &mdash;Korath (Talk) 23:11, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
 * This is one area that I am staying away from. My original thoughts with AFD were that they had to follow Deletion policy and thus I closed them as thoughtful. I have gone through some training with Keeper76, and am going through some addition training currently, but you can trust that I will not delete any pages or go near AFD until I am certain it's the right move.  D u s t i SPEAK!! 23:15, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) Per Korath. Those closes were way out of line. With all due respect, that makes me afraid of what you would do with the mop. A promise to stay away from AfD doesn't compensate for it, in my view. It shows a clear disregard for the place of community discussion and consensus. I have no doubt that you regret the closes, but you really need to show consensus-building activity in the project space to make up for it. --Mkativerata (talk) 23:20, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I have over 700 deleted edits. If you are able to, please view them to see other AFD closures to show that I do have the ability to show regard for community discussion and consensus.
 * 1) Oppose He gave me a final warning because of a single editing mistake that I immediately reverted. I don't think he has the necessary judgement or tact at this point in his career on Wikipedia. He has very few article edits, so I don't think he understands was article editors encounter.    Tuxedo junction (talk) 23:32, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Please see the ANI discussion that took place here. The editor had been issued prior warnings that day for test edits.
 * Comment from neutral observer. The presentation of this oppose makes the final warning seem to have come out of the blue. In fact, Tuxedo had already been cautioned for well intentioned edits that were nevertheless problematical. In the ensuing AN/I discussion linked above, Tuxedo was again cautioned on these edits. While I personally would have attempted to engage in discussion or taken the matter to AN/I, the final warning was not entirely unjustified. Dloh  cierekim  15:53, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Response. I had received one previous warning for an edit I also had immediately self-reverted. I don't think it is helpful to editors to receive a "final warning" template after a second self-revert. Dusti obviously did not look at my contributions to see that I had no history of vandalism, or even of mistakes. An admin has to use "judgement" and decide whether it is worth templating a well meaning editor. In this case, I obviously knew I had erred as I immediately rectified it. What is the point of the template in my case? Tuxedo junction (talk) 16:14, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * See my neutral. While I feel you weren't at your best that day, a better approach on Dusti's part might have netted a better result. Cheers, Dloh  cierekim  16:22, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * PS. I count two warnings and some discussion. The next one, had a template been warranted, would have been "please stop". As I assume constructive edits between the warnings and heated discussion, I agree- a templated warning was not the best choice. Admins, as trusted users, are here to help. The button related admin role is secondary to that. Cheers. Dloh  cierekim  16:31, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) Oppose because I'm not confident in your judgement abilities, as pointed out by the AfD links above, and the final warning for an edit that wasn't vandalism.  —  Soap  —  23:36, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Soap, please see the link above.  D u s t i SPEAK!! 23:38, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
 * You seem to be trying to dodge the central objection. You gave a user a final warning for an edit that wasn't vandalism.  The fact that he may have vandalized earlier in the day doesn't mean you can judge his subsequent edits to be vandalism even if they aren't. This is how bad blocks often get placed and making bad blocks is the worst possible thing a Wikipedia administrator can do.  —  Soap  —  23:42, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not trying to dodge anything, with all due respect. What I am stating is that with prior warnings given that day, the edit that was made (I had not seen a reversion at the time of issuing a warning), appeared to be a test edit, which is what prior warnings were issued for. That is why a final warning was issued.  D u s t i SPEAK!! 23:44, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I actually agree with Tuxedo about this incident, and if he had been blocked for that, I would defend him, assuming that his claims that he's only done it twice, both times he quickly reverted himself, and that he doesnt know what the source of the problem is are true. After all, I regularly see Huggle users accidentally restore vandalism because they clicked revert just an instant too late and mistakenly reverted the wrong editor, and if I understand correctly there's nothing they can do to prevent occasional mistakes like that, other than being sure to fix them immediately afterwards.  Regardless of the circumstances surrounding this incident though I think you were too quick to jump on him with that warning.  Just because something appears to be vandalism doesnt mean it is.  Also, please don't interpret this as a "fallback" argument, but I had my oppose typed out before Tuxedo's was saved and only added the bit about the final warning because I got an edit conflict and went to read his rationale, and as I said, I agree with it.  —  Soap  —  01:18, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) Oppose Recent talk page discussions show a lack of knowledge of wiki rules. Aiken   &#9835;  23:39, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
 * 2) Oppose Giving a user a final warning for a mistake, and arbitrarily closing discussions, does shows some issues with judgement at this stage. The 888th Avatar   (talk)  23:49, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
 * There was an apology issued and if you see the ANI discussion, several sysops agreed with the warning.  D u s t i SPEAK!! 00:13, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) Oppose Appalling judgement.  Wisdom89  ( T |undefined /  C ) 00:00, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * If this is in regards to the final warning, please see the ANI notice link above and the apology issued to the user. Individuals make mistakes. If it's not, could you please outline the concerns?  D u s t i SPEAK!! 00:13, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) Oppose. Serious concerns with judgement, maturity, experience, policy knowledge, and breadth of exposure.  Also, the incident with Tuxedo junction could have been much better handled.  -  F ASTILYsock (T ALK ) 00:07, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Can you please outline these so I can fix the concerns?  D u s t i SPEAK!! 00:13, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) Oppose - I looked into the "Tuxedo junction" incident and don't see much of concern. In fact, TJ was pretty uncivil with Dusti (and others) and Dusti did a pretty good job of keeping cool. My reason for opposing is that I don't see that Dusti has a very good grasp of CSD; I deal with proposed deletions and delete a lot of them, and I've seen a few that were originally nominated for speedy deletion where they don't even come close to meeting the CSD requirements. For example, see this article (history only available to admins) where a one-line article with absolutely nothing promotional was nominated for G11 deletion. Giving someone with such a shaky grasp of deletion policy the tools when they are planning on doing speedy deletions would be a big mistake. --  At am a  頭 00:40, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Atama, please see my CSD coaching page, and the statement above about staying away from AFD and CSD in regards to sysop actions.  D u s t i SPEAK!! 00:42, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I understand, and that's wise, but it illustrates a problem with your candidacy, a problem I see often. An editor puts forth a bid for adminship and for any flaws in their knowledge, they state that they are currently being coached about it. That's premature, you should wait until after such coaching before you consider running. Unlike other opposes here, I don't think your demeanor is a problem, just your knowledge, which is something that will come in time. It's much harder for a person to change their personality. My oppose is certainly a "notnow", not a "notever". --  At am a  頭 02:08, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) Oppose - The recent Tuxedo junction incident makes me oppose. December21st2012Freak   Talk to me at 00:44, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * 2) Oppose Not now.  fetch  comms  ☛ 00:52, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * 3) Oppose I am concerned about the candidate's knowledge of WP:CSD, based on edits like this which were tagged for A7 despite being asserted as notable for "the first and only cyber model and grinding performer in Greece" and "interviewed by several magazines". -- Sh i r ik ( Questions or Comments? ) 01:08, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * 4) Mostly per Korath and Atama. I rarely oppose, but the judgment is clearly lacking here. Since Atama's one is from less than two weeks ago, I doubt that any amount of coaching since then would make me change my mind. Tim Song (talk) 01:53, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * 5) Oppose - Korath gives the evidence and rationale I was going to. — Ed   (talk  •  majestic titan)  02:07, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * 6) Serious concerns about temperament and judgment.  Ray  Talk 02:23, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * 7) Oppose. Concerns about temperament, experience, and judgment. -- Cirt (talk) 04:34, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * 8) Oppose I am concerned about the candidate's familiarity with speedy deletion criteria.--Banana (talk) 06:06, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * 9) Weak Oppose - Always forgiving towards vandalism patrollers--trust me, we all screw up from time to time and I don't want to discourage people based on mistakes we all make. Some of the badgering of opposes doesn't sit well with me. On top of that, a year long break, and activity over last 3 months, a reason I've never opposed for before. I'm also curious how someone with a 10% automated edit count racks up a ~70 edits to 1 AIV report ratio... which is pretty high as is, let alone given that few automated edits. You have huggle, are you doing these by hand, or just using rollback by hand? Is the tool not accurate, or are you automating some of these tasks, or doing them all by hand? All that would make me weak support or neutral, but the real concern is a shaky, perhaps permissive approach towards some AfD issues. Like Atama I don't think anything about the TJ incident is fatal. But I am bothered by the AfD closures above. I would be open to a future run for sure; I would like to see some solid patrolling for maybe a month or two, as well as a little bit more page creation (3 right now). And get into the mix on AfD as well. None of that's a dealbreaker for me (or probably anyone else), but it's some idea of what I feel are issues. Shadowjams (talk) 06:13, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * 10) Oppose with moral support. Not up to speed with CSD and AfD. I do accept that the candidate does not intend to do any admin work in those areas without sufficient learning/experience first. But at the same time, the candidate is actually active in those areas in a non-admin capacity, and I can't help feeling that an admin who is active in any capacity in an area should really be admin-competent in that area. (The Tuxedo junction issue isn't fatal, as it seems there were errors on both sides, but I think it would have been a nice gesture to strike that final warning). I'd say get all the learning/coaching complete, put it to use at CSD and AfD, and then come back and try again and I'd probably be happy to support -- Boing!   said Zebedee  07:09, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * 11) AfDs raised in the first oppose are absolutely outrageously bad judgement. Thank goodness they were only keeps - imagine the kerfuffle if they were deleted? I can't trust an admin to deal with AfDs if that's how they go about it. Also, I've concerns relating to this RfA - it seems very few of the opposers will get off without badgering.   urban f o x  07:33, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * 12) Oppose Generally poor judgement made worse by overconfidence in that judgement. Polargeo (talk) 08:48, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * 13) Per Korath. Very sorry, but these closures suggest judgement or experience issues, hopefully just the latter. / edg ☺ ☭ 11:32, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * 14) Per Polargeo and the recent unilateral AN/I close of a discussion, revert of another editors comment and ensuing discussion on dusti's talk page.Bali ultimate (talk) 12:38, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * 15) Oppose I cannot support an admin candidate who does'nt even trust himself or herself to participate in AFD. RadManCF &#x2622; open frequency 13:41, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * 16) Oppose I can't support you due to judgement and AfD concerns.  N ERDY S CIENCE D UDE  (✉ message • changes) 13:45, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * 17) Oppose Based on the concerns raised here and my own observations, I have no confidence that this person can handle basic administrative duties. Warrah (talk) 13:45, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Neutral
--Mkativerata (talk) 23:15, 29 March 2010 (UTC):Neutral I'm initially parking here because there is hardly any record of content creation that I can see. I consider content creation to be important for an admin to properly understand core encyclopaedic tenets such as verifiability, original research and reliable sourcing. However a lack of content creation can in my view be outweighed by exceptional contributions in the project space that demonstrate the editor does understand those concepts (see Tim Song's recent RFA). I'm not seeing that degree of exceptional project space contributions yet but I won't move to oppose until it has been examined further because I don't want to come to a premature judgement. --Mkativerata (talk) 22:57, 29 March 2010 (UTC) Move to oppose. --Mkativerata (talk) 23:15, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
 * As I said above, the majority of the edits that I do are in relation to anti-vandalism work, and other political areas suck as WP:SSP, WP:AIV, WP:UAA, WP:AFC, etc. I do plan on having more project space contributions in the future once I being expanding out (regardless of the outcome of this RFA, but I've noticed myself staying where I am comfortable instead of stretching out and working in more areas to where I am not as active. Especially if this RFA passes, you can trust that I'm not going to use sysop tools unless I am 100% certain about what I am doing.  D u s t i SPEAK!! 23:04, 29 March 2010 (UTC)


 * 1) Neutral leaning towards oppose For the most part, you are barely over my RfA expectations, but Korath and Soap have some good points. --The High Fin Sperm Whale 23:48, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
 * 2) Neutral to prevent pile-on I do not feel that the candidate is ready at the moment. I am not convinced by the "I won't use certain tools" argument - a candidate cannot be held to such promises. I am concerned by the points raised by the opposers, and the candidate's responses haven't been enough to persuade me that the reasons given in the opposes are invalid. --  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 13:55, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * 3) Neutral I personally avoid AFD-- not my cup of tea. And the user is not prmarily seeking the tools for CSD, but CSD and AIV are too closely linked to be separated in the knowledge base of the candidate. Tuxedo junction could have been handled better, there are situations not covered by templating, and an Admin working in AIV needs to know when not to block well intentioned errors. Had Tuxedo made another faulty edit, would the candidate have proceeded with the threatened block? I don't issue a final warning till I'm convinced that the other user has exhausted my ability to WP:AGF and means to make unconstructive edits. Clearly Tuxedo was not at their best that day or in those discussions. Discussion and dialoge had begun after prior templated warnings. The thing to do was to put away the template machine and coach/assist/guide/continue discussion. Tuxedo was clearly outraged by prior warnings and obviously still has strong feelings on the matter. The situation needed to be defused. Before giving a user the ability to block vandlas, the user needs to be able to distinguish between the need for blocking and the need for assisatnce. I recommend withdrawing for now, gaining more experience, and trying again in 6 months, 6,000 edits. Cheers  Dloh  cierekim  16:15, 30 March 2010 (UTC)


 * The above adminship discussion is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the talk page of either this nomination or the nominated user). No further edits should be made to this page.