Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Kakofonous


 * The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a successful request for adminship. Please do not modify it .

Kakofonous
(88/11/5); final Andre (talk) 06:26, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

- I have been observing Kakofonous' excellent work since some time around the start of this year, I think. It has been a while. I've seen him/her/it (let's just say "him") grow to be a thoroughly competent editor, who will only be better as an administrator.

Kakofonous has worked on a stack of articles, including some GAs and DYKs, as shown at User:Kakofonous/Contributions. The area where he and I have interacted most, though, has been around GAN, where he has done outstanding work in reviewing and generally helping out. He also partakes in project discussions, and demonstrates a good knowledge of our policies, guidelines, and unwritten laws.

In the spirit of no big deal, I ask the community to entrust the tools to someone who isn't going to smash 1000 vandals, delete 1000 nonsense pages, or protect 1000 pages. I ask them to give the tools to a trustworthy user who will use them, as he needs them, to improve the enyclopedia. dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 00:49, 4 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here: Sure. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kakofonous (talk • contribs)

Questions for the candidate
Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Wikipedia as an administrator. It is recommended that you answer these optional questions to provide guidance for participants:
 * 1. What admin work do you intend to take part in?
 * A: As DHMO said above, not really a lot. Perhaps occasionally blocking a blatant vandal, however, I was a much more enthusiastic vandal fighter a couple months ago, but found it more interesting to write than revert. Other possible areas include RFPP and uncontroversial editprotected requests.


 * 2. What are your best contributions to Wikipedia, and why?
 * A: The best contribution so far is Gilberto Gil, currently a GA and at FAC. Ironically, the close second is Gosford Park, a project I began working on as an IP last month, when I had ended my editing by technical means.


 * 3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
 * A: I have been involved with editing conflicts before, mostly related to my GA nominees. A messy situation on Daara J led to my "retirement". I soon realized that I enjoyed editing Wikipedia too much to give it up and discussed the issue, which turned out to be a massively overblown miscommunication, on my IP address's talk page with the other editor involved; we now edit productively in collaboration with each other. My responses to future issues will be more reasoned, having dealt with one before.
 * I am totally baffled by your characterization of the editing of the Daara J article as "messy". I have read the entire edit history, all the diffs, and the talk page.  What was "messy"?  What was so upsetting that you ostensibly retired?  Please understand, I'm not doubting you, I'm just confused.  What did I miss?Unschool (talk) 03:52, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The "messy" situation was a mutual misunderstanding between me and Realist2, the editor reviewing the article's good article nomination. When we discussed the issue later, it became apparent that there had been this misunderstanding, which was eventually resolved. Specifically, Realist2 took offense at a comment I made about possibly getting a second opinion on the article's GA nom. He had done an extraordinary amount of work on it, and I wanted to get a different view from a third party; Realist2 interpreted this comment as "slapping him in the face". I became a bit exasperated trying to explain the issue, and decided to leave. Once we had taken a look at this situation later, we were able to put it behind us.--Kakofonous (talk) 04:04, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Optional question from MBisanz:
 * 4. According to your edit history, you didn't edit during the month of April 2008. I will be supporting on the basis of your overall history, but was wondering if you could shed some light on this absence.
 * A: This was a technically-enforced wikibreak/retirement that I placed on my account to ensure that I didn't edit, in response to the situation above and a general "Wikipedia is taking over my life, need to slow down bit" feeling. (Of course, even that wasn't entirely successful…) --Kakofonous (talk) 12:55, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It does say this on his userpage.  weburiedoursecrets  inthegarden  14:09, 4 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Optional questions from jc37
 * In order to illustrate that you have at least a passing knowledge/understanding of the tools and responsibilities that go along with adminship, could you describe/summarise:
 * 5. Generally, why and when should someone be blocked?
 * A: Someone should be blocked if they are intentionally, in disregard of warnings, disrupting the encyclopedia; by way of personal attacks, vandalism, deliberate and persistent insertion of false information, etc.


 * 6. When would it be appropriate to protect a page?
 * A: A page may be fully protected to prevent edit warring or other disruptive content disputes, and semi-protected for constant BLP violation or vandalism. There are, of course, other circumstances in which protection may be used, but these have been the most pervasive reasons in my experience.


 * 7. When would it be appropriate to speedily delete a page?
 * A: If it satisfies CSD criteria.


 * 8. How does one determine consensus? And how may it be determined differently on a talk page discussion, an WP:XFD discussion, a WP:DRV discussion, and an WP:RM discussion.
 * A: Consensus is determined by thoughtful analysis of each comment made in a discussion, developing an interpretation of the general opinion on a particular issue, and acting accordingly. I see no fundamental difference between determining consensus in each variety of discussion, except the governing policies/guidelines for the area in question.


 * 9. User:JohnQ leaves you a message on your talk page that User:JohnDoe and User:JaneRoe have been reverting an article back and forth, each to their own preferred version. What steps would you take?
 * A: First, read the page and its history, determining which piece(s) of information is/are disputed or favored between the two editors. I would then contact the editors involved, reminding them of 3RR and inviting them to discuss on the talk page (assuming they have not already) what is disputed and their reasons for asserting that their version is correct. If this method is not successful and the edit warring continues, I would either protect the page or block the editors for 3RR violation. After the blocks or protection end, I would continue to monitor the situation; if it does not improve, I would ask for a third opinion or move higher on the dispute resolution ladder.


 * Question from Stifle


 * 10. Under what circumstances is it acceptable for a non-free photograph of a building which is still standing to be used on Wikipedia?
 * A.

General comments

 * See Kakofonous's edit summary usage with mathbot's tool. For the edit count, see the talk page.


 * Links for Kakofonous:

''Please keep discussion constructive and civil. If you are unfamiliar with the nominee, please thoroughly review Special:Contributions/Kakofonous before commenting.''

Discussion

 * Q4 seems a bit strange. It's almost as though RFA represents some sort of confirmation process, where a temp is being interviewed for a permanent position. Let us all remember that all of us here are volunteers, sparing our free time to help the project. Any time spared by an editor should be seen as a bonus, rather than an obligation. People have real life obligations such as family, work, and other interests. RFA should not be an interrogation, teasing out every minor facet of the candidate's personal life. Not that I am advocating promoting once-a-month editors at RFA. --Rifleman 82 (talk) 09:35, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry to confuse, I don't care about Kako's personal life and would be satisfied with an answer of "I was busy", but it just looked odd so I decided to ask. I'll still be supporting even if he doesn't answer.  MBisanz  talk 10:04, 4 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Whoa, and when do we arbitrarily move discussions? I totally disagree with this. ShoesssS Talk 00:24, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Support

 * 1) Nom. dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 02:11, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) -- Naerii  02:11, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) Support BoL (Talk) 02:13, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) I like the honest answer to question 1. Trust the candidate and the nominator. Acalamari 02:15, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 5) Support. Looks like a reasonable person. So why not! --RegentsPark (talk) 02:17, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 6) Support. I love the answer to Q1.  The way that Q1 was answered makes me believe that this user won't abuse the tools and will only use them when needed.  Kakofonous has done great work on GA's and writing articles in general.  Good luck!  Razorflame 02:18, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 7) Support. No problems here.  Good article writer with the experience of anti-vandal work.  Best of luck, Malinaccier (talk) 02:33, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 8) Support, no reason to believe that this user would abuse the tools. Lankiveil (speak to me) 02:39, 4 May 2008 (UTC).
 * 9) Support. Good editor, going to be an even better admin. No abuse, and this user gets along with almost everybody! Basketball110  My story/Tell me yours 02:52, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 10) Sure - Tiptoety  talk 03:11, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 11) Support Trustworthy editor and giving me no reason to believe this editor would abuse the tools. -- Mattinbgn\talk 03:18, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 12) Support. No reason to think he'd abuse the tools in any way.   Spinach Dip  03:24, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 13) Support We need more admins who work on articles. -- Sharkface T/C 04:11, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 14) Support I trust Water's opinion and I appreciate the honest answer to Q1. I also really liked this | editBalloonman (talk) 04:15, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 15) Support - Well the old Wisdom89 would say.."hey, this guys meets my balance criteria!" (And he does, there's versatility) However, per Sharkface, we need more article building administrators. I also trust, highly, DMHO.  Wisdom89  ( T |undefined /  C ) 04:16, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Maybe I should use the "balance" phrase in my noms from now on! dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 04:19, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I was looking through the contribs of a few sysops I admire this afternoon and was shocked to see that many of them who previously did almost entirely article building work now spent just about 100% of their time now to AFD, AIV, Admin's Noticeboard, RFA, etc. It's pretty sad, because this project desperately needs more article builders. That's how we got here in the first place. -- Sharkface T/C 04:35, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I second that (and I'm very glad to hear you saying that, come to think of it...). dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 04:41, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Of course, saying that doesn't mean much. Doing that means a lot more. -- Sharkface T/C 04:45, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Looks good here. §hep   •   ¡Talk to me!  04:20, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) Support. Everything checks out. I'm a big supporter of mainspace contribs, so even though this editor doesn't have a boatload of Wikipedia and Wikipedia Talk namespaces, I'm going to green light this one. Useight (talk) 05:18, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) Support. I haven't had any experience with this editor before but his history looks excellent, nothing that would throw up any red flags for me. Also I trust DMHO as the nominator. Trusilver  05:41, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) Support No problems here. -- S iva1979 Talk to me 06:42, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 5) Support as a good article contributor with no blocks. Best, --  Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles  Tally-ho! 07:03, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 6) Support He might not really need the tools, but we can certainly trust them. Five Years 07:43, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 7) Support Unlikely to abuse tools in the rare occasion he actually uses them per q.1 Its not a big deal and its not one with me.  Roadrunnerz45  (talk 2 me) 08:18, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 8) Net Positive - Of course. Clearly trustable, policy and process knowledge demonstrated from contributions, clean talk and user page etc. If Kakofonous uses the tools but once a year then that saves another admin having to do it. Let's remember they don't rust and we have an infinite supply of them to hand out. Pedro : Chat  08:20, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Support - Why the hell not? asenine t/c\r (fc: f2abr04) 08:31, 4 May 2008 (UTC) (moved to oppose)
 * 1) Trust DHMO nom, otherwise excellent. Rudget   (Help?) 10:34, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) Support - plenty evidence 'pedia building. net positive. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:44, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) Support, you were nommed by DHMO for god's sake. And I see no reason to oppose, anyway :)   weburiedoursecrets  inthegarden  11:09, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) Support yep. —αἰτίας •'discussion'• 12:07, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 5) Support Yep, this one's dedicated enough.  MBisanz  talk 13:07, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 6) Support - not one already? Sceptre (talk) 13:09, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 7) Support TimBuck2 (talk) 13:56, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 8) per nom seems to be unlikely to abuse the tools, delete the main page, etc. Dloh  cierekim'''  14:59, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 9) Support Looks trustworthy to me. --CapitalR (talk) 15:01, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 10) Support: I can trust the user, therefore I have no reason not to support ...... Dendodge . Talk Help 15:11, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 11) Support only positive effects from this user, can trust we'll receive only positive effect as a sysop. Gnangarra 15:54, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 12) Support - I feel like that is focus on Wikipedia is to the point. I'd rather have an admin who actually contributes to articles instead of just refreshing his watchlist to try and catch vandals and wrongdoers.  &lt;3  Tinkleheimer   TALK!!  15:56, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 13) Support Good WP:GAN work. - Dan Dank55 (talk)(mistakes) 16:37, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 14) Support - Wants to continue writing/editing; appears trustworthy. --Rosiestep (talk) 16:47, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 15) Support-JodyBtalk 17:26, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 16) Support Good balance as others have pointed out, dedicated, and nothing to indicate abuse will occur.  κaτaʟ aveno TC 17:48, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 17) Support, someone I feel can be trusted. J Milburn (talk) 18:28, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 18) Support trustworthy, and a great editor. Spencer  T♦C 20:24, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 19) Support -- per Wisdom89, we need more article building admins...unlikely to abuse tools...Good luck!--Cameron (t|p|c) 20:52, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 20) Support. Dug through candidates contributions, read opposition !votes, made a frown face and thought for a minute, and concluded that I trust this candidate. Tan   |   39  21:27, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 21) Support I could care less about your lack of admin-y related experiance and what Wikipedia needs is more of these types of admins. Editorofthewikireview my edits here! 21:30, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 22) Support: Shows an understanding of policy and would not abuse the tools. Paradox  society  (review) 21:49, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 23) Support - Fits my only criteria of adminship: would not abuse or seriously misuse (accident or otherwise) the tools. &mdash; scetoaux (T|C)  22:04, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 24) Support per WP:TROUT. Candidate seems well-suited to the role of editor-admin. S HEFFIELD S TEEL TALK 22:07, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 25) Support changed from oppose, per DMHO's (shouldn't it be DHMO?) diff. I think I was misreading your answer to Q1. I thought you were just going to edit, edit, edit, but now I realize that you actually do plan to use the tools, and correctly. Sorry.-- Koji Dude  (Contributions) 02:52, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 26) Whole-hearted support: No reservations. Toddst1 (talk) 03:06, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 27) Support. This user seems sensitive to the types of communication that are needed to grease the wheels of the 'pedia and has done good work.  Accounting4Taste: talk 03:56, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 28) Support Good solid editor. I have no concerns. —  Wen li  (reply here) 04:42, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 29) $upport Well-trusted editor all the way. Good luck!  Dfrg_ msc  06:01, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 30) Indeed. Support. X Marx the Spot (talk) 07:09, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 31) Weak Support. The candidate seems trustworthy, but has made a very weak case for needing the tools. Majoreditor (talk) 12:40, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Support There is no reason to believe this editor would abuse the tools and every reason to believe they would use them wisely. -- Mattinbgn\talk 13:17, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Please see !vote number 11. Tiptoety  talk 14:26, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Oops, I need to read the tallied votes better. This is what I get for editing at 11.00pm my time. Sorry. -- Mattinbgn\talk 20:46, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Support : The candidate is a good editor and trustworthy. Altough I am not sure whether he is actually serious of the need of power buttons. But I sincerely feel that such good editors should be awarded adminship -- ₮inucherian  (Talk) - 13:42, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) Support per Petro. -- Agathoclea (talk) 13:43, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) Support Antonio Lopez  (talk) 14:27, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) Support. Seen you around AFD (namely rescuing worthy articles by improving/adding sources). Great username, great contributor, no hesitation on my part.   Keeper   |   76   |   Disclaimer  14:46, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 5) Support  Sexy Sea  Shark  16:43, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 6) Support Intitally, I thought the relatively short presence might be an obstacle for me to vote support. But after scratching my large head for a little while and carefully looking over the candidate's contributions, I feel that 4 months of presence has been more than enough for Kakofonous to get a solid grasp on how to improve this little project of ours. No cause for concern from me whatsoever. SWik78 (talk • contribs) 17:01, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 7) Support. Per nom by, as well as some great contributions to the project. Cirt (talk) 19:26, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 8) Support - a trustworthy and dedicated editor. No reason not to give him the tools. Sephiroth BCR  ( Converse ) 20:05, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 9) Support. I have worked with the candidate on FAC.  He displays excellent judgment, dedication to content building, and a good temperament. -- Laser brain   (talk)  20:25, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 10) Proud support - I first saw Kakofonous on Jazz drumming when I was reviewing it for good article status, and he was courteous to me the whole way. I respect him as a user and wish him happy adminship! – Obento Musubi (C • G • S) 21:31, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 11) Support - meets my standards, basically. No concerns. Bearian (talk) 23:12, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 12) Support - see no reason to suppose the candidate will misuse the tools. KTC (talk) 02:01, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 13) a gentle support - bypassing a self-imposed restriction is mildly worrying, but there's nothing that makes me want to oppose and there's no evidence that this editor will misuse the tools.  Dan Beale-Cocks  18:53, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 14) SupportTotally!-- B a r k j o n 21:29, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 15) Support I see no cons. Furthermore, I am really not convinced by the opposition. Four months is plenty of time, plenty of time for dedication. Hús  ö  nd  00:27, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 16) Support: --Bhadani (talk) 17:09, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 17) Support - please to see a candidate who is focused on quality article writing and improvement. Pastordavid (talk) 19:28, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 18) Unreserved support. I've mainly seen Kakofonous through GA, and his work and demeanor have always been great. Glad to see he or she will get the mop. Van Tucky 20:44, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 19) Support Solid article builder, knows policy, unlikely to scale Reichstag. -- B figura (talk) 02:32, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 20) Support As more and more good contributors depart, we need good writers to replace them.  Marlith  (Talk)   03:30, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 21) Support. I see no problems. Ashton1983 (talk) 08:44, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 22) Strong support Kakofonous has created many articles. He has also significantly contributed to many articles. He should be an admin. Masterpiece2000 (talk) 13:18, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 23) support - Im no admin, but i hope my vote can still count. I have spent a lot of time working with Kakofonous recently, i find him to be trustworthy, reliable, helpful, the list goes on. He has created some great articles on wikipedia, is very dedicated. He can be trusted with the tools. Good luck. Realist 2  ( 'Come Speak To Me' ) 18:59, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 24) Support. No logical reason to oppose. MrPrada (talk) 00:15, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 25) Support - Let's give the tools to the responsible editor, instead of the Rambo, vandal killer... :) Tiggerjay (talk) 02:58, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 26) Support Short editing time is no problem for me, heck I haven't been editing that long and I'm clearly the best! ;) Support as people I respect have supported, and nothing sticks out as problematic.Jacina (talk) 08:48, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 27) Support No evidence that he will abuse the tools. And that's the only criterion that really matters. - Merzbow (talk) 23:02, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 28) Support. Won't abuse the tools. Nice GA work. :) Firsfron of Ronchester  04:49, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 29) Support Am confident user will not misuse the tools. Davewild (talk) 21:54, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 30) Support. I've come across this editor at the FAC for Gilberto Gil, where I was the first to oppose the article's candidacy.  His (or her) reaction was most constructive, he (or she) has been at pains to communicate with me, keep me up to date with further progress, and has really improved the article in the meantime.  I've been impressed by the way that this user has handled him or herself.  --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 22:07, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 31) Support I honestly see no horrendous issues... a bit lacking in the experience right now, but not enough for it to be an issue.  Jmlk  1  7  22:56, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 32) Looks good to me. -- Anonymous Dissident  Talk 23:49, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 33) Support Can certanly be trusted with the tools Acer (talk) 01:00, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 34) Support. I've seen nothing but good contributions from this editor. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:49, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Oppose
Oppose I've gathered from your contribs (and answer to Q1) that aside from reporting the occasional vandal to WP:AIV (which is usually taken care of in anywhere from 10 seconds to five minutes), you don't really plan to do anything with the tools. You do good with GA and FA and what-not, but you don't really do anything... well... "admin-y", and aperently don't plan to. I just don't think adminship is the right way to go for you. In this case, it's given as a suped-up barnstar. Also, some of the support seem like WP:POINT to me, and not a comment on yourself. I might change my mind though, depending on how you answer the other questions.-- Koji Dude  (Contributions) 06:04, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * WP:AAAD includes "doesn't need the tools" as a reason to NOT oppose an RFA. IMO, any person who becomes an Admin and doesn't abuse the tools is a net gain for Wikipedia.  Even if Kakofonous only blocks one vandal, or protects one high-traffic page, isn't that a net GAIN for Wiki?
 * Refusing to make this user an Admin does not create another, better Admin somewhere else on Wikipedia.
 *  Spinach Dip  06:23, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Maybe we should make it a policy that we will desysop and ban people who have less than 2,000 edits to AIV... &mdash;Dark talk 06:36, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Noooo, I only have 42! Useight (talk) 07:12, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Recall that this is an essay... not a guideline.Balloonman (talk) 08:02, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * True, WP:AAAD shouldn't be treated as policy. Even so, the argument raised in that essay (that "If a trustworthy person does not use the tools at all, there is absolutely no harm done. If they use them even once to good effect, then their adminship has served a purpose.") is still a valid argument. Without evaluating this particular candidate's contribs, having experience in admin-related work and processes certainly helps a new admin "do the right thing".--Rifleman 82 (talk) 09:27, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Not needing the tools is no reason to oppose, as mentioned above. If you can trust the user, support.  I am going to place a support !vote now ......<em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:#008000"> Dendodge . Talk Help 15:09, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Kojidude, without trying to sway your opinion, I invite you to read some of my thoughts on the matter (since the candidate brought up something similar to what you say) here. cheers, dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 01:54, 5 May 2008 (UTC)


 * 1) Oppose – I am in full agreement that the tools are no big deal. However, I do want to see someone with a little more that 4 months experience with Wikipedia as shown here .  If we start to use the standards that after four months; “…I trust the individual with the tools”.  Why not give the administrative tools to all editors say after three months of no complaints by other editors.  In addition, don’t we want the individuals applying for the administrative tools to have some experience in other areas?  Like administrative?  I do not see that with this candidate.  Is this reflection of the candidate’s ability or knowledge to use the extra buttons?  Of course not!  Is this a question of the individual’s competency?  Yes!  Four months is to short a time to judge the individuals character.  Sorry. ShoesssS Talk 21:58, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) Oppose With all due respect to DHMO, I can not support a candidate who has only four months experience as an editor. ArcAngel (talk) 22:46, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * But shouldn't we be looking at his contribs over those past months and judging upon that, instead of simply saying "he has only been here for four months"? Tiptoety  talk 16:02, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It seems that most editors in this Rfa don't care about the candidate's length of time here. There might be other Rfa's with this amount of time that have failed, and other candidates with more time (and edits) that might have failed, so it seems the same standards are not being applied to every candidate.  While I applaud the contributions of the candidate so far, I do not believe four months is enough time spent as an editor to be an effective admin.  ArcAngel (talk) 14:50, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It does seem to me that there is some level of disenchantment with the rigor of the RfA process that is playing out here. Seems like a natural process to me - the RfA process gets real hard; wikipedians rise in revolt; and vote in support of an RfA that probably wouldn't have garnered the same support a couple of weeks ago! (Personally, I think too much of a deal is made about the whole process.)--RegentsPark (talk) 15:05, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * commentsee tlak page for discussion about your two opposes 81.100.114.76 (talk) 09:01, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Oppose- Sorry. I just don't think your'e quite ready yet, do some work on Afd, and we'll see where you get.   Meldshal42 <sub style="color:blue;">Hit me <sup style="color:red;">What I've Done  00:54, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Not every editor is going to be experienced in every area of the project, and if your only concern is that he lacks AfD work, then damn...he is a really good candidate. I ask you to reconsider, keeping in mind all the other great work this user has done. Tiptoety  talk 00:56, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Oppose- Nothing in April, and only around for six months. I am going to say its too soon.-- Bedford  01:07, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Without commenting on your opinion on the amount of time the candidate has been around, you should probably note April was a self-impose technical ban by the candidate during which the candidate did actually edit, under an IP as noted in the candidate's user page and above. KTC (talk) 01:58, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Oppose with moral support - I would love to support, but 4 months of experience is simply not enough. If you come back in 3 - 6 months, I would more than likely be happy to turn this into a support. :)  a s e nine  say what?  06:21, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) Oppose - Don't like doing this, but sometimes I get the feeling we are just creating admins for the sake of it sometimes. Kakofonous himself has stated that his interest here is writing articles, which is excellent, trust me, but a statment in question one is just occasionally blocking a blatant vandal. Does this user really need the tools? If not, there is no need to make him an admin really, and what's wrong with a quick AIV report if your not a vandal fighter in need of better tools? I'm bracing myself for a storm of opposition here, but honestly, I can't see the need for tools with this user. <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans-serif"> Lra drama 08:40, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) Oppose for now It is great that Kakofonous has written some nice articles and has more than 5000 edits in about 4 months of solid editing. However, he has no experience on controversial articles. And no experience with long disputes as near as I can tell. He just has not been around here long enough or had enough experience to get the tools quite yet I think. If he keeps doing good work however, I would be pleased to support him sometime in the future of course.--Filll (talk) 16:23, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) Oppose Needs more experience, and completely disappeared in April. Also, answers to questions indicate to me a lack of need for these tools.   Orange Marlin  Talk• Contributions 16:56, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * - He didnt disappear at all in April, he was using his ip adress through a wiki break. He edited consistantly thoughout that month, even managed to get one article to GA i believe. He HAS edited solidly. This is all discussed above. Realist 2  ( 'Come Speak To Me' ) 18:34, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Oppose I guess I'd just prefer to see this editor around the place for a few months longer before getting the mop. -- R OGER D AVIES  talk 07:57, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) Oppose Admirable candidate, but lacks track record for now. Ceoil (talk) 19:29, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) Oppose. Only four months of consistent editing, and made no edits last month. Needs more time and a more consistent track record. A good future prospect though. Singopo (talk) 05:23, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
 * - He didnt disappear at all in April, he was using his ip adress through a wiki break. He edited consistantly thoughout that month, even managed to get one article to GA i believe. He HAS edited solidly. This is all discussed above. -- Realist 2 ( 'Come Speak To Me' ) 02:49, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Neutral

 * 1) Neutral Level of admin-related experience is slightly too low. I'm afraid I don't agree with the theory that certain users can be trusted to quickly learn everything they need to know about the tools just before using them. Epbr123 (talk) 08:32, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) Neutral - leaning somewhat towards support. As this will likely pass, I won't trouble the candidate to ask for further clarification. - jc37 18:40, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) Neutral meh, I see no reason why not, 4 months of experience doesnt make a difference, what he did in those four months will be what he does in the next four. I just don't feel like actually LOOKING to see what he did in those four months, my vote won't effect the out come anyway. good luck. Sirkad talksign 23:53, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) Kakofonous looks like the type of person we should be giving admin tool to (after all, admin tools are, primarily, editing tools), but strikes me as far too new. I would oppose on principle if it weren't for his/her answer to Q.1.  Based on that answer I would support.  But I'm far too torn.  Wish I hadn't wandered this far down the page.  Oh well.  Keep up the good work of writing articles - that's what we're here to do.  Guettarda (talk) 20:08, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 5) Neutral While the tools themselves are no big deal, especially where the candidate is primarily going to use them in the editing function, a more substantive (and regular) editing pattern is required - one that will come with time - before I would be willing to hand over the keys to the mop cupboard. In the event that this request fails I see no problem in supporting a subsequent one. LessHeard vanU (talk) 21:52, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
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