Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Kevin


 * The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a successful request for adminship. Please do not modify it .

Kevin
FINAL (54/2/0); closed 04:16, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

- After some thought, I've decided to nominate myself for adminship. I've begun to feel that I would be more useful performing administrative actions than creating work for administrators. I've been around for about 2 years now, and have about 6500 non-deleted edits. I have worked in a fair number of areas throughout the encyclopedia, and feel that I have gained plenty of experience suited to this role. I have deliberately given fairly brief answers below, in the hope that opinions will be given based on my contribution history, which I think is a better indicator of how I would likely act as an admin. Kevin (talk) 02:06, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Questions for the candidate
Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Wikipedia as an administrator. It is recommended that you answer these optional questions to provide guidance for participants:
 * 1. What admin work do you intend to take part in?
 * A: Initially I will work mostly in CAT:CSD, because it's where I have the most experience. I have about 500 deleted edits, most of which would be speedy deletion noms, and it's been fairly rare that an admin has disagreed with my judgment. I have lately begun working there untagging articles that don't meet the criteria as well. I will also help out at WP:AIV where I have been active in the past. Later, I'm not sure where my interests might take me.


 * 2. What are your best contributions to Wikipedia, and why?
 * A: I'm more of a wikignome than an article writer, so I think my most useful contribution is the sum of all the little things. More recently, I have started offering 3rd opinions, and trying to mediate disputes. Something I have tried to put more effort into is helping new editors get through their first editing experience, by giving expanded reasons for actions, rather than just add templates.


 * 3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
 * A: I've been involved in disagreements and content disputes, but nothing that has caused me stress. I'm more inclined to use the talk page than keep reverting in article space.

Additional questions the candidate feels should be answered


 * 4. Your edit history shows long periods of editing, followed by long breaks. Could you explain?
 * A: I'm asking/answering this because I'm sure it will come up. My work in real life tends to come in cycles, so at the moment I am not so busy, hence a few months of activity. At other times I have large projects that tend to take up most of my time. I don't believe that this will be a problem, as I always have a good look around when I return to see what has changed and what is going on. I also foresee that I will be here more regularly, at least for the next year. I'm always contactable by email if needed anyway. If I do foresee a break, I'll put up the wikibreak notice and back off from admin activities for a bit beforehand.

Optional questions from RyRy5  ( talk )
 * 5. If you see two or three different IPs repeatedly vandalizing the same article, what steps will you take to ensure that it stops?
 * A: These 2 or 3 IPs should be blocked to stop their vandalising, short periods initially, then longer if they persist. If more come out of the woodwork then I would consider semi-protecting the article.


 * 6. You find an admin account that hasn't been active for many months starting to vandalize. What would you do?
 * A: The first requirement is to prevent further damage by blocking the account. Several seconds later I would be posting at AN/I because it would seem that either the account is compromised, or the admin has gone off the rails. Then I would ask the admin what is going on.

Optional question from  Gazimoff 
 * 7. Which do you feel is the most important process on Wikipedia, and why?
 * A: I was going to think about this for a bit before answering, but I think I would come to the same (non)answer. I think that most of the processes here form an overall system, where each is an important part. This process, and WP:AFD are possibly the most visible.

Optional queestions from Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  13:07, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 8: What, in your opinion, is the most important policy?
 * A: I don't think there is one answer to this, it depends on your perspective. For readers, the most important would likely be WP:BLP, so that the reader is not defamed or otherwise harmed, and WP:V, so that what they read can be verified. For the editors, each policy is important in achieving a particular end, with the overall aim being to let us produce an accurate encyclopedia in a congenial atmosphere. Trying to determine which is most important seems a bit like trying to find the most important sentence in WP:NOT.
 * 9: As an admin, you are not sure of what to do with an article in CAT:CSD. Do you make an educated guess, or leave it to another administrator?
 * A: If I was unsure then I would see no harm in leaving it to another admin, or asking another admin's advice. At present, if I am unsure when tagging a new page I will often just watchlist it, to see what someone else thinks about it.

Question from Dusti
 * 10. What is the difference between a block and a ban?
 * A. A block is a technical means to prevent an account or IP from editing. A ban is aimed at a particular user and represents a community decision that they may not edit all or part of Wikipedia. In practice, a ban is often enforced by blocking.


 * 11. What is a cooldown block and when should it be used?
 * A. Per the blocking policy we do not use cooldown blocks.


 * 12. Don't you get tired of stupid questions?
 * A. I haven't seen any stupid questions yet. Had I seen one, my answer would be no.

General comments

 * See Kevin's edit summary usage with mathbot's tool. For the edit count, see the talk page.


 * Links for Kevin:

''Please keep discussion constructive and civil. If you are unfamiliar with the nominee, please thoroughly review Special:Contributions/Kevin before commenting.''

Discussion

 * Hands up if you find Q12 painfully ironic. giggy (O) 01:52, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * o/  Keeper   |   76   |   Disclaimer  18:21, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * o / J.delanoy gabs adds  13:53, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Support

 * 1) Support. I often notice this editor doing good work. --Kaaveh (talk) 03:21, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) Support Meets my standards as a specialist admin. Looks likey to constructively use tools.
 * More than 1,000 deleted articles.
 * I veiw self noms as having the confidence needed to be an admin.
 * Found where he notified creators of speedy deletion noms. communication is important for an admin.
 * Talk page reveals patient, courteous, knowledgeable user who can disagree without being disagreeable.
 * Makes correct reports to AIV. (sorry about not putting in the links. too tired for that.) Dloh  cierekim'''  03:40, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Support -- knowledgeable about policy, level-headed, and has already been helpful in admin areas. He's ready for the mop.  --Elkman (Elkspeak) 03:58, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) Support. Has over 2 years experiance.  Why not give him the tools?  –BuickCenturyDriver (talk) 04:00, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) dorftrottel (talk)
 * 4) Support per Elkman, and Dlohcierekim. Can definitely help out with the tools; WTHN? -- Mizu onna sango15 / 水 女 珊瑚15  05:17, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 5) Support all seems reasonable, although I am always wary of users who just use their first names. --Stephen 05:34, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 6) Support You'll suit fine, nice contributions and talk page history.  Bonus points for me having never heard of you.  Also what Stephen said as far as concerns about using a first name.  Keep up the good work.   Keegan talk 06:00, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 7) Support per Dlohcierekim. A good degree of confidence despite his brevity.  Vishnava talk  07:01, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 8) Support Particularly impressive ability to spot the bad content and tag accordingly, as evidenced by the deleted contributions. As you have clearly stated you wish to help out at CSD, which "enjoys" a regularly high backlog, I'm more than convinced you'd be a net positive. Good luck. Pedro : Chat  09:23, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 9) Support I have looked very closely at his CSD related edits and I could find nothing problematic. Jon513 (talk) 09:27, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 10) Support A fine candidate. --Ecoleetage (talk) 09:42, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 11) Daniel (talk) 10:22, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 12) Support. Ironholds has made a fair point in the "oppose" section, and I'd recommend to the candidate to give article writing a higher priority. (For one thing, it is fun, and a good way of reducing stress levels when tensions grow.) However, my look through his mainspace contributions shows that Kevin has a good record of dealing with sourcing issues, so he is not empty in that department, and I think he has a good enough grip on the encyclopedia aspects as well. Since his contributions in vandal-fighting and tag cleanup (especially removing incorrectly placed speedy tags) have been helpful, and the candidate has shown consistently good judgment in executing those tasks, I am supporting this candidacy with pleasure. Sjakkalle (Check!)  11:06, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 13) Support - no issues at all. Completely trustworthy to have the tools - Peripitus (Talk) 12:01, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 14) Rudget   (Help?) 14:47, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 15) Support, user seems to have a good understanding of the area in which he intends to help (CSD). Sure, he could do with some more broad contributing to mainspace, but this alone is not an indication that he should not be supported. Shereth 15:24, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 16) Support. I went through your last 500 contribs and was pleased to see that you had ample experience in areas such as WP:PROD, WP:SPEEDY, and WP:XFD.  Good candidate! Malinaccier (talk) 16:47, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 17) Support. Kevin is obviously making a positive contribution to the project, and the tools will help that.  BradV  20:06, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 18) Support. I've thought long and hard on this one. Essentially, I've been trying to work out what article building means to me and how important it is in a candidate. While exposure to the GA and FA process is desirable, it doesn't mean that a candidate is any less likely to be able to analyse a debate and understand concensus from it. Gnoming in this case demonstrates that maintenance of the encyclopedia can go both ways, either by making minor improvements here and there, or by performing cleanup etc. As long as his reasoning and judgement is both sound and stable, the addition of the tools should be a net benefit to the project. His work at XfD, PROD and SPEEDY clearly demonstrates this, so I have decided to support. Gazimoff Write Read 20:17, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 19) Support Seems that he will make a good admin, good luck Kevin!!  D u s t i complain/compliment 22:02, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 20) Support, of course. Two years, thousands of edits.  Easily capable.  weburiedoursecretsinthegarden  22:05, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 21) Support Shapiros10 Wuz Here    01:01, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 22) giggy (O) 01:52, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 23) Support Low edit count concerns me, but seems trustworthy.  MBisanz  talk 06:30, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 24) Support Good answers to the question. From what I can tell he has a good, balanced editing pattern. Won't abuse thr tools. Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  15:22, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 25) Support A reasonable and conscientious editor. --Regents Park (roll amongst the roses) 18:13, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 26) Per Rudget above. Couldn't have said it better myself.  ( and more seriously, per easily meeting my criteria  Keeper   |   76   |   Disclaimer  18:22, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 27) Great contributions and great answers to the user-submitted questions. Some future article writing writing would be welcomed.  – thedemonhog   talk  •  edits  19:04, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 28) Support - Per Pedro. Good eye, net positive. I trust this user to delete and report properly.  Wisdom89  ( T |undefined /  C ) 19:05, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 29) Support - although the candidate did not use a herring to remove the acceptance line as I requested, it would be silly to not support someone with such solid CSD work because of such a small technicality. CSD has been backlogged a lot lately, I think Kevin would assist with that. He also works in the image deletion area, which seems to be an area in need of attention. xenocidic (talk) 19:12, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I did consider the herring, but being a vegetarian I am uncomfortable using one in this manner. ;) Kevin (talk) 00:46, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Support —αἰτίας •'discussion'• 23:40, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) Support I would trust this editor with a mop. AubreyEllenShomo (talk) 05:04, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) Support. Answers show a solid understanding in the areas he wishes to contribute to. MrPrada (talk) 05:39, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) Support -- per the answers to the questions (short and to the point!). --Cameron (T|C) 17:10, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 5) Support Candidate seems to have clue, self-noms when it's known to draw a bad reaction, and has good contributions. I'm not worried about potential periods of inactivity, whenever he's around I'm sure he'll make good use of the tools. Glass  Cobra  19:03, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 6) Support.  — Athaenara  ✉  00:49, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 7) Support a self nom that is succinct and a record that does the talking instead. LessHeard vanU (talk) 00:50, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 8) Support. Looks good. Lack of taking an article to FA status doesn't concern me - gnomic edits are valuable, also. Demonstrates sound policy knowledge and tact. Tan   |   39  21:35, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 9) Per above. Also, I liked the answers to questions. NHRHS2010 | Talk to me  22:14, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 10) An excellent wikignome with admin tools. Sounds good to me! J.'''delanoy <sup style="color:red;">gabs <sub style="color:blue;">adds  13:52, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 11) Support due to no memorable negative interactions. Best, --  Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles  Tally-ho! 06:43, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 12) Support - excellent candidate. DKNY89 (talk) 13:48, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 13) Support - more admin taking concern. BlueQ99 (talk) 14:16, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 14)  YahelGuhan  ( talk ) 16:18, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 15) Support Deli nk (talk) 16:57, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 16) Support Sounds qualified enough to me. SWik78 (talk • contribs) 18:22, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 17) Support Specialists are better than generalists in the area of anti-vandalism combat. Full support.--Finalnight (talk) 01:04, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 18) Support I find no reason to oppose him. Masterpiece2000   ( talk ) 02:14, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 19) Support, don't see any reason not to. Stifle (talk) 09:52, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 20) Support. <u style="text-decoration:none;font:100% cursive;color:#600">Neıl <u style="text-decoration:none;color:#226"><B>龱</B>  10:37, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 21) Support per edits and answers. Frank  |  talk  12:38, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 22) Support per Dlohcierekim. --John (talk) 19:54, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 23) Support. Ashton1983 (talk) 23:31, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Oppose

 * 1) Oppose. Kevin does fulfill most of my standards of what i'd consider good admin material; he's established, has made good contributions, few of which have been contested or reverted. However, there are several things that concern me. Firstly, his contributions seem very narrow; much of it is counter-vandalism or deletion action. This is absolutely fine, and an arena where admin tools will come particularly in handy, but I'd prefer well-rounded admins. I can't find any created or majorly edited pages in the last 1000 edits (again, it's mainly anti-vandalism work). He seems a mature, good editor, and i do like his work, but I cant justify giving administrative tools to someone who is inexperienced in one of the most important (if not the most important) aspects of wikipedia. It's a case of "not right now" more than anything else (which I feel bad about using, since you're a long-established editor) and in a few months (assuming this doesn't pass) if you've started making more mainspace edits I'll be happy to change my next vote to support. <b style="color:#D3D3D3">Ir</b><b style="color:#A9A9A9">on</b><b style="color:#808080">ho</b><b style="color:#696969">ld</b><b style="color:#000">s</b> 03:50, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Are you saying mainspace ("majorly edited pages") is the most important area of wiki? Or just what are you talking about here? Sumoeagle179 (talk) 10:25, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm saying that, although it isn't the be all and end all of contributions, i'd like to see some page creation/serious contribution. My apologies if I expressed it badly. <b style="color:#D3D3D3">Ir</b><b style="color:#A9A9A9">on</b><b style="color:#808080">ho</b><b style="color:#696969">ld</b><b style="color:#000">s</b> 10:32, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * How is the mainspace not the most important area of Wikipedia? – thedemonhog   talk  •  edits  19:04, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree that article building is important, I just don't see it as an absolute requirement for an admin. I saw gnomic activity that was, taken as a whole, good article building. It's there, just spread out over many edits. I should have said so in my support. Cheers,  Dloh  cierekim  12:52, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Oppose &mdash; I view self-noms as prima facie evidence of power hunger. Kurt Weber ( Go Colts! ) 15:12, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Or frustration with other admins. That's how I often feel, not being an admin myself and thus lacking the power to speedy delete things or block vandals. I've been meaning to self-nom myself as well, but I don't really like self-noms either. --M1ss1ontomars2k4 (talk) 22:39, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Neutral
It is my policy not to support people who don't read the self-nom instructions properly (because it may indicate inattention to detail) but because of his other contributions, I'll likely revisit this !vote after I have time to examine them. Switching to support. xenocidic (talk) 12:28, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Gak! They read like stereo instructions. ;}  Dloh  cierekim  12:46, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * As do many of our policies and guidelines =). xenocidic (talk) 12:48, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * At the risk of sounding stupid: what makes you think he didn't read those instructions? dorftrottel (talk) 13:10, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I think there was a glitch in following them, ergo the conclusion may not correctly follow policies as well. However, IMHO, has demonstrated understanding of admin related polices, W.Z.B.W..  Dloh  cierekim  13:24, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Requests for adminship/nominate, step 6, the part in bold. xenocidic (talk) 13:29, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Ensuing long back and forth moved to talkpage. <strong style="color:#000">AvruchT * ER 16:04, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
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