Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/QuiteUnusual


 * The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a request for adminship that did not succeed. Please do not modify it.

QuiteUnusual
Final (85/37/6); ended 18:48, 24 October 2012 (UTC)  The Rambling Man (talk) 18:48, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Nomination
– Ladies and gentlemen of Wikipedia, I stand before you to present an editor who I believe will make a fine administrator, QuiteUnusual. QuiteUnusual has been around for years, editing on and off, reverting vandalism and generally improving the encyclopedia. Over the last twelve months, he's become regularly active, and has shown himself to have a good understanding of the policies and principles of the encyclopedia. QuiteUnusual's primary work has been in anti-vandalism, leading to a lot of good work at AIV and UAA. As I'm sure you know, we can always do with more hands there. Whilst he's not the most prolific of content creators, the articles he's written such as Control self-assessment and Woodham Mortimer show understanding of our content creation requirements. Finally, to confirm his trustworthiness, I invite you to look beyond Wikipedia and peruse his global contributions. With a further ~18k edits at WikiBooks, it is noteworthy that QuiteUnusual is an admin, a 'crat and a checkuser there. The project may have different standards than us, but they certainly trust him. Worm TT( talk ) 10:53, 17 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here: thank you for your kind words, I accept QuiteUnusual TalkQu 12:01, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Questions for the candidate
Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Wikipedia as an administrator. Please answer these questions to provide guidance for participants:
 * 1. What administrative work do you intend to take part in?
 * A: My main focus area would be at WP:UAA and WP:AIV where I have a fair amount of experience and a generally good success rate. I'm certainly not perfect and I'm sure you will find some declined UAA and AIV reports from the past; but I believe I am good enough to be trusted. From another project I have quite a lot of experience in history merging and I'm happy to help out what appears to be the lone admin (Anthony Appleyard) at WP:REPAIR.
 * 2. What are your best contributions to Wikipedia, and why?
 * A: It's no "FA", but I like Control self-assessment where I think I've covered the topic well with strong referencing and good style. Rescuing Engineered bamboo from the incubator was worthwhile. Over the years though I'd say my major contribution is gnome work and anti vandalism work. On the gnome side you will typically find me using the random article button and cleaning up things I find. As an example, I will improve the referencing for BLPs and this can be surprisingly difficult for lesser known subjects and take considerable effort. Here is one example that took me 3 hours of elapsed time for a small but important improvement. In the anti vandalism work, beyond the Huggle reverting I take the time needed for deeper investigation of contribution patterns where I see "red flags" indicating possible wider abuse. This example albeit from three years back, is one that took a lot of tracking down. Same with spam - when I find what looks like persistent spamming I will search out and clean up all the other examples, which I think is a positive contribution to the quality and perception of Wikipedia.
 * 3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
 * A: Yes, a couple. I lost my temper once two years ago over something that was mainly my fault. Next time I'd think about it a bit better before replying. If you examine my talk page archives from that point forward I hope you'll see a calmer and reasonable approach to dealing with both criticism and also obvious trolling and insults. For the record a mediation request was raised (since deleted) over a dispute that is detailed here and here. Broadly it was a policy based argument on my part (I believed the editor was struggling to understand "original research" and how they should phrase their edit; the other editor felt I was disagreeing with the content per se). I avoided engaging in an edit war and discussed it for some time with the other editor. Eventually I decided there was no purpose to the mediation as it was more a competence issue so it went no further.


 * Additional question from Diesel-50
 * 4. Could you list your substantial contributions towards article content? Thanks!
 * A: Articles I created, with the exception of the articles mentioned in Q2 above, are short but not exactly stubs as either the subject is "small" (a village in the case of the series I created on Essex villages (links to my original version here, here, here, here, here, here)) or the information available is very limited (Thomas Bushell (mining engineer)). Beyond that there are a number of Gnome like improvements that are slightly larger than "tiny" (examples include diff, diff). But without question the majority of my content work is like this, this, this and  this - turning something unreferenced (usually a new BLP of an obscure but notable individual) into something with sufficient referencing to be in Wikipedia. It is time consuming and challenging to find reliable sources for these kind of articles - it just doesn't lead to many words.


 * Optional questions from jc37
 * In order to help determine whether you meet my criteria (including your knowledge/understanding of policies and processes in relation to the tools and responsibilities that go along with adminship), please answer the following questions.


 * 5. How would you personally determine whether you are involved in any particular situation when deciding whether you should block (or unblock) an editor, and when deciding whether you should protect (or unprotect) a page.
 * A: The line for me is the clear distinction between my work as an editor and my work as an administrator - ignoring cases of blatant vandalism measured by the standard that any other administrator would agree it was vandalism. If I am a contributor of content (beyond trivial things like typo fixing) to an article, then I would consider myself involved with regards to that content and with regards to other editors who I had a current or previous dispute with over that content. Based on this standard, I would not block any editor I was involved with and I would not protect any page I was involved with. In addition, I would not protect a page that I wasn't involved with if it was being actively edited by an editor I was involved with. Hopefully that's clear!


 * . Please describe/summarise why and when it would be appropriate for you to apply the policy to ignore all rules to a situation, while also explaining the interdependency between being bold and seeking (and/or following) consensus on Wikipedia.
 * A: There are very few real rules on Wikipedia in the sense of policy that must be followed. I always thought IAR would be better worded as "Ignore all Rules Unless they are Real Rules that you can't Ignore" but I guess IARUTARRTYCI isn't very "snappy" and would perhaps be more confusing.


 * Short answer: We should IAR if the rule does not serve the core purpose of WP in the specific circumstance, and we should do it boldly if it is the best way to improve the encyclopedia. Sometimes waiting for consensus to arrive first is slower and produces a lower quality result than acting boldly to produce a "strawman" that consensus can then develop around.


 * Much longer answer: Being bold to all intents and purposes does not apply to codified policy except in proposing changes to the policies themselves. I cannot "boldly" ignore the rules policy around content, conduct, legal, etc. Beyond this small set of "hard rules" I judge all others against the core purpose of Wikipedia and ignore them if they are not compatible with that purpose. This is an easy thing to say but its implementation runs into the counterforce of consensus. Quite right too as there is no area on Wikipedia where anyone has all the answers and is right all the time.


 * Consensus operates at a number of levels. At the top level, with things like the Manual of Style, we have an encyclopedia wide consensus. Beneath this many subject areas have a consensus and lower down each article has a consensus arrived at by discussion or editing. This layering of consensus means that those higher in the hierarchy are typically more abstract; those at the article level sometimes highly granular and detailed (and sometimes non existent).


 * I, as an editor working on an article for the first time may feel that it requires substantial, bold, revision - perhaps even a complete rewrite - to better meet our core goal. Absolutely I should do this work. It would be a good idea to look at the Talk page, discuss with other active editors (if there are any) and any relevant article history first. I would hope that other editors would avoid immediate reverting (something that anti-vandalism editors can be a little prone to as large edits often look like vandalism through the lens of Huggle if you aren't paying attention) unless they feel the changes are not in line with our goals. This is where consensus at different levels needs to operate.


 * For the article itself, the rewrite or amendments may be a huge improvement. But if in doing so they make the structure of the article conflict with others in the same subject area (e.g,. it is one of a linked series of articles), then taking a broader view on usability to the reader might mean a need to build consensus towards either bringing the other articles into the same structure, or partly reverting the changes.


 * Then the amendments may conflict with the MOS - and quite possibly for very good reasons as the MOS is never going to cover every possibility. This can lead to bold changes being reverted or changed to comply with the MOS by other editors basing their arguments on the "rules". With this example consensus needs to build towards whether the net benefit to the encyclopedia is for a consistent MOS or for some exceptions for particular articles or indeed changes to the MOS. But what comes first is the outcome we are all focused on - creating an encyclopedia collaboratively.


 * In summary, if I have a strong view that content can be improved I will act boldly to improve it but recognize absolutely that consensus operates at many levels and those bold changes need to be balanced.


 * Outside of content, as this is an RfA, the same approach applies. Let's say I come across a user who is new to the English WP who has had an appeal for an unblock declined where the block was originally given for a disruptive username (blocked as the name implied a personal attack). If I was aware of the editor from another language project where they have been a long term productive contributor and it is apparent the "disruptive" username is in fact nothing of the sort in their native language then I would probably unblock immediately rather than going to AN/I for a block review. This would obviously be followed with a discussion with others involved in the original block / block appeal to explain myself. By the rules this could well be considered to be "wheel warring". If the consensus arising from that discussion is, despite the evidence that the name is not a personal attack, that the name will always be disruptive then I would follow that consensus - but boldly removing the block from a valuable innocent editor first is in my opinion the right approach.


 * . How do you determine consensus from a discussion? And how may it be determined differently concerning an RfC, an RM, an XfD, or a DRV.
 * A: I'm not qualified to answer this for RfC, RM or DRV. I've only contributed one or two times to RfCs, never to an RM and although I used to participate in DRV it was a long time ago. Any answer I gave would be based on reading up on the subject and giving a textbook answer. I wouldn't presume to judge consensus in these forums until I had participated in them for an extended period. For XfDs I have little experience outside AfD. For an AfD I would judge the consensus giving due weight to arguments founded in content policies and guidelines. But I am unlikely to be involved in AfDs given my lightweight content creation experience.


 * . User:JohnQ leaves a message on your talk page that User:JohnDoe and User:JaneRoe have been reverting an article back and forth, each to their own preferred version. What steps would you take?
 * A: With the obvious caveat that it depends on the specifics, I would start by checking the recent edit history to ensure JohnQ's message was accurate. Assuming it was, then if it is a clear case of one editor reverting obvious vandalism by the other, then I would warn the vandal (if not already warned) and then follow the normal process of escalating warnings for vandals who refuse to desist. This might result in a block, depending on the nature of the vandalism and their response to the warnings. If there is an edit war running that has reached the 3RR stage then I would ask both to desist and work together to establish consensus. This could lead to short blocks if the warring continued. Between the extremes of edit warring and blatant vandalism there are a whole series of other possibilities. One editor could be new and not realise the problems with their edits, say adding uncited controversial material to a BLP, with the other using automated / templated reverts that the new editor doesn't understand. This would call for a request to the reverting editor to desist while I engaged with the new editor to try and explain the problem.


 * . Why do you wish to be an administrator?
 * A: I believe I can make a useful contribution as an administrator. Much of my work here is focused in areas where the need to block, protect or delete is obvious and sometimes needed quickly to prevent damage to the encyclopedia. By being able to act rather than report I think I will be actively improving the quality of the "encyclopedia experience" for both readers and good intentioned contributors. Although there are only a few areas I'm likely to be active in initially, one of the benefits of working on small projects is one gets to experience the full range of possible admin actions. I have the patience and take enjoyment from doing the ones that other admins sometimes find boring. For example, I've been known to import and history merge 50+ articles to create a coherent book - an extremely tedious task unless you enjoy that kind of thing; I do. So, as well as wanting to better improve Wikipedia, I want to have a little more enjoyment from contributing.


 * Additional question from Carrite
 * 10. Have you ever edited Wikipedia previously under any other user name? If so, would you kindly list the name or names?
 * A: No. I have made perhaps five edits over the years when accidentally logged out. I operate the account "QUBot" on other Wikimedia projects, but it isn't used on Wikipedia.
 * Thank you. Carrite (talk) 00:58, 18 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Additional question from Go Phightins!
 * 11. What do you enjoy about editing Wikipedia?
 * A: Mostly I enjoy the research that goes into making a good edit. I like being huddled in comfy chair with my books and online sources researching a subject that I know nothing about (usually having found it via a random page search) in order to improve the article. In a similar vein I like turning an "ugly" article into a smart one. By that I mean tidying up the language, format and structural elements to give the reader a better and more accessible encyclopedia. As an aside this means I spend most of my time on "factual" articles - I'm much less interested in novels, music, TV shows, etc.


 * Additional optional question from Reaper Eternal
 * 12. I've looked at your content contributions, especially Woodham Mortimer, since none of them seem to be "recognized" (i.e. GA, FA, or FL). What, if anything, would you do differently if you were to create that article now?
 * A: Just to confirm that you are right that nothing is "recognized" - the only one with any kind of rating is C class I believe. With Woodham Mortimer you have picked an interesting one for me to discuss as I know the subject matter extremely well. Woodham Mortimer is a small village with very little that is notable about it, and even less that is documented in a reliable source. It is, however, a place I am utterly familiar with. So, I know lots of interesting "facts", but most of them are not verifiable and may not even be true. As I was very conscious of the need for the article to be verifiable and based on reliable sources I ended up with virtually nothing to write and a dull article. I'm comfortable I went through the right policy based approach to creating it. I do question though whether this is appropriate in all cases for these kind of articles and if more local colour that cannot be verified to quite the same standard (e.g., it is documented in an independent source, but not one that meets the gold standard of something like a national newspaper or journal) should be included, with caveats, to engage the reader better in our encyclopedia. I'm undecided on this point at the time of writing.


 * Additional question from My76Strat
 * 13. As an administrator, if you see an account created with what you believe to be an offensive username, will you block the account or file a report at UAA?
 * A: It depends. Ones that need dealing with straightaway, typically personal attacks and offensive ones, I would block on the basis that any reasonable editor would agree that they needed blocking (e.g., names like "QuiteUnusualIsATool" I would block, with the caveat that if I was the target of the attack then I'd be involved and wouldn't block). Borderline, promotional, misleading names - these I would report.
 * Thank you for expressing that fine answer. Please indulge this follow on:
 * 13a. Describe how you would handle noticing a recently created account that is extraordinarily inappropriate; unequivocally requiring oversight suppression? Please consider this scenario against an account that has not as yet edited, and also an account that is actively editing.
 * A: If it requires suppression, say for legal reasons with a name like "MrJohnDoeIsARapist" and it had no edits, then I would contact the Oversight team without blocking. I would take this approach because blocking creates another log entry that then needs suppressing and therefore increases the likelihood of other people seeing the username. While waiting for the suppression to be done I would keep a close eye on activity ready to step in and block if editing begins. If there are edits, then I would block first because not blocking would leave us exposed to more content that needed suppressing. In addition, I would check for crosswiki contributions in case a Steward needs to be asked to suppress on other projects and / or lock the global account.


 * Additional question from SilkTork
 * 14. In this discussion on Wikibooks you explain your inappropriate attitude toward the new user as a mistake because you are the only active administrator on that project. As you're overstretched at Wikibooks, what are your plans to cope with doing extra work as an admin over here? Do you feel that your work at Wikibooks will decline or in some way suffer?  SilkTork  ✔Tea time  23:30, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
 * A: I work on Wikipedia and Wikibooks at different times of the day and I wouldn't expect the pattern of work to be greatly affected if I was an administrator here as well. It's broadly linked to what access I have where (e.g., the availability of Javascript based tools, the performance of the computers I use, the quality of the network connection, etc.) and when the projects are active. Wikibooks is most active when I am unavailable and I often return there to find no other admin has been active since I left leaving me a stack of work to do in one rush. That isn't going to change if I have elevated access elsewhere - I'll still be covering the same hours at WB.


 * The specific mistake I made in the link you provide relates to this problem - I returned to find a stack of newly active and newly created probable "Chinese pattern spambot" accounts which needed a CU to deal with. But, as well as the CU, I had to deal with the related admin cleanup. I worked my way through the list in the normal manner but one of the accounts I thought was a "bad" account, because it had a name all but identical to another created within 24 hours, turned out to be a legitimate account. If I hadn't been the sole CU dealing with the spambot problem for the past 6 months then I would have been more likely to spot immediately that it was a good account. So yes, I was a bit snappy towards the user initially, realised I was wrong and profusely apologised; I also made no attempt to excuse my behaviour or cover up that I was wrong. This type of situation (the only person around to deal with all the problems) isn't likely to happen here at WP either.


 * Additional question from Dpmuk
 * 15. What's your take on the copyright / close paraphrasing concerns raised in Oppose 1? Do you think they are a problem and why / why not?  I'm trying to get a sense of your understanding of copyright and given the subjective nature of copyright I think this is best done, in all but obvious cases, by getting the person in question to explain their understanding rather than a trawl through contributions.
 * A: I am aware of the dangers of close paraphrasing and actively work to avoid it. I am also rigorous in my use of citations and references where there is a close link to the source. In the example given I made the decision on this closely related wording because of the paucity of information available on a fairly technical subject and the article's history of being "nearly deleted" several times for being promotional. That is, I was acutely aware that to substantiate that the article was not an advert and had sufficient notability backed by sources then I needed to ensure the content was all backed up by a suitable reference. This limits the variability that can be introduced in the language. I believe I am well versed regarding copyright in this situation and the related area of plagiarism and I don't believe I've strayed over the line into a copyright violation - but I accept others may judge it differently. In the academic part of my real life plagiarism of a public domain source would be as equally unacceptable as a copyright violation so I tend to strive to avoid paraphrasing at all times. There are cases though where it is necessary to use the precise definition of the source, and the same words, to avoid slipping into original research or generating misunderstanding. For example, if you take Scout Moor Wind Farm as an example the lead paragraph contains this referenced statement "The turbines are visible from as far away as south Manchester, 15–20 miles (24–32 km) away". I've never read this article before today, I just picked it as a random FA so I could illustrate my view of this problem. The reference source reads "The wind farm at Scout Moor and Knowl Moor will have 26 turbines stretching nearly two miles across the moor and be visible from the far side of Manchester". So, in (presumably) an attempt to avoiding copying the source we have turned "far side of Manchester" into "as far away as south Manchester, 15-20 miles away". This, in my view, is an interpretation of what the source states and can't be really substantiated. In particular, by adding the distance we are adding a misleading air of precision that isn't clearly supported by the source. But to stay closer to the reference means somehow rephrasing "be visible from the far side of Manchester" without any embellishment and without it looking like a close paraphrase - and that's tricky indeed. Please don't misunderstand me, I think the example I'm using is a trivial point and you could pick holes in the specifics. I am just trying to help you understand my approach better. Thanks.
 * Additional note: I should also have said - could clearly have done better on Engineered bamboo; point noted for future content creation. QuiteUnusual TalkQu 07:48, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Additional additional note. Following the helpful comments raised here I have reviewed my whole 20K edit history and believe I have cleaned out the 5 / 6 articles where a paraphrasing problem remained as well as one where I identified problems not of my making. They may not be perfect and I will look at them again but hopefully the key issues are resolved. I know it is not part of this RfA but if anyone finds any further problems please do drop me a note so I can look at them or add a note here. Thanks to everyone who has helped on this QuiteUnusual TalkQu 09:23, 22 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Additional question from NTox
 * 16. Hi. If the following usernames showed up at UAA, what would you do? Note that they have all been created in the last few days, and nobody has communicated with the users yet.
 * User:Sexygirl398, who has no edits listed
 * User:2c948s39d938m, who has 3 edits to a BLP
 * User:PiliforDirector, who has promoted a "Palifor Foundation"
 * User:Troll429384, who has 1 vandalistic contribution
 * User:MyAngryRobot, who has 7 edits to various articles
 * User:CorenIncDavid, who has promoted a "Coren Inc."
 * User:John Smith Artist, who has just cited his blog, called "John Smith Artist"
 * User:BobAndJane, who has 1 edit in their sandbox: "Bob and Jane are awesome"
 * A:As follows, although with a couple of these I might defer to someone more experienced first time around...
 * User:Sexygirl398, who has no edits listed
 * No action. Name is not offensive and with no edits no action is needed.
 * User:2c948s39d938m, who has 3 edits to a BLP
 * Talk page note that the name is confusing and requesting they choose a new name but no block yet. Any further action would be based on their editing pattern, etc.
 * User:PiliforDirector, who has promoted a "Palifor Foundation"
 * Block for promotional elements in name and promotional behaviour. Additional grounds for the block as this is an implied shared account. No offer to allow creation of alternative account.
 * User:Troll429384, who has 1 vandalistic contribution
 * Hard block for disruptive username as the name suggests a deliberate intent to vandalise plus pattern of edits.
 * User:MyAngryRobot, who has 7 edits to various articles
 * No action or block. It falls narrowly into "misleading" because of "Robot" but it would be unlikely to be misunderstood to be a bot.
 * User:CorenIncDavid, who has promoted a "Coren Inc."
 * Block as containing promotional elements in the name and engaging in promotional activity. Soft block allowing new account to be created is possible depending on how promotional the edit(s) were. For example adding details on the products they sell to an article about their company without obvious advertising might be okay for the soft block; writing a full on sales pitch inside another article isn't. This could be an honest user who just misunderstood the conflict of interest and advertising policies.
 * User:John Smith Artist, who has just cited his blog, called "John Smith Artist"
 * Note on the talk page regarding spam / inappropriate external links if there isn't one already. Note the drawbacks of using what appears to be a real name. No block as the name isn't obviously promotional.
 * User:BobAndJane, who has 1 edit in their sandbox: "Bob and Jane are awesome"
 * Note on the talk page that accounts are supposed to be for one person only and the name gives the impression it is, or might be, operated by two people. Suggest they create a new account - and create one each if there are two people. If the user begins to edit the article space I would soft block but while the edits remain in the sandbox there's no need to risk upsetting a potential new and valuable contributor with a block.


 * Additional question from Tazerdadog
 * 17. If you are given the mop, will you be open to recall, and if so, what is necessary to trigger a recall?  Tazerdadog (talk) 18:10, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I believe there is some controversy over whether this question should be answered or not. So I will answer it obliquely. If I believe my competence is insufficient, or the trust is gone then I will stop using the tool(s) until such time as I am confident the problem has been dealt with. If this entails giving up the tools, then so be it. If it helps, then you can examine the following: In October and November 2010 my edit count per month was around the 600 mark. On 11 November I made a mistake with Huggle (discussed here). I apologised but I also took immediate steps to avoid making the same mistake again. I did not use Huggle again after that incident until 27 January 2012 - a 14 month break (you can check this from my contribution history). In addition my edit count dropped from that 600+ to just a handful of edits until September 2011 - a 10 month break. I took this outage while I worked on my experience and competence to revert properly with Huggle. I'd do the same with the admin tools. Thanks QuiteUnusual TalkQu 20:04, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

General comments

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Discussion

 * Edit stats are on the talk page. Matthew Thompson  talk to me bro! 12:28, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Support

 * 1) In before.. oh. Nominator Support. <span style='text-shadow:0 -1px #DDD,1px 0 #DDD,0 1px #DDD,-1px 0 #DDD; color:#000;'>Worm TT( talk ) 12:20, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 2) Support I was hoping this would come soon - no issues with a mop for you. I hope you get a chance to use it well. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 12:40, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 3) Support with notes. There are a couple of concerns such as very high automated edits and low-ish article creation considering the total contribs. Because most of your user talk edits are automated, I had to do some serious searching to find personal messages outside of templates, but I did find them and they show that you are capable of communicating concerns clearly and thoughtfully when you take the time.  You will need to use personalized messages much more than you have done in the past if you become an admin.  After weighing the concerns, you would still easily be a net positive as admin as you have a broad set of experience, and it looks like you have the right demeanor for admin, which is my primary criteria.  Dennis Brown -  2&cent;    &copy;   Join WER 14:07, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 4) Clearly not a danger to the project. Support, and good luck. &mdash;  Hex    (❝ ?!  ❞)   14:09, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 5) Support trusted and seems experienced in anti-vandalism. I think you would benefit Wikipedia as an administrator.  Matthew Thompson  talk to me bro! 14:21, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
 * In general, anyone who does a fine job as a CU on another project can be trusted to block vandals. Courcelles 14:46, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Some of these answers are deeply troubling... Courcelles 15:26, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) Support although this candidate is quite unusual. Sorry, sometimes I can't help it (or don't want to)! AutomaticStrikeout 15:12, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 2) Support: A net positive. - Ret.Prof (talk) 15:17, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 3) Support Of course--Morning Sunshine (talk) 15:29, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Support checkuser on a medium-sized project a good sign. --Rschen7754 17:14, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I hate to do this, but the close paraphrasing / plagiarism issue and lack of forthrightness in response gives me pause. --Rschen7754 10:00, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Quite unusual indeed. T. Canens (talk) 17:28, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Reconsidering. T. Canens (talk) 09:56, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) Support - Clean block log, no indications of assholery, more than 5 years experience, and more than 10K edits to mainspace makes this a clear "Adminship is No Big Deal" situation for me. Thank you for your efforts for the project. Carrite (talk) 17:42, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 2) Support I know him because of his great work as a checkuser on Wikibooks, but I'm sure he'll do good as an admin here too.  Trijnstel talk 17:59, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 3) Unusual Support. I trust the nom, and contributions are great in and off en-wiki. I'd like to see more monthly edits here but that's a personal opinion. Good luck. — ΛΧΣ  21™  18:06, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 4) Support No problems with automated edit count. A very cool, collected editor and unquestionably trustworthy with CU access on another good sized Wiki. Make good use of the bit mate. Cheers! The Illusive Man(Contact) 19:04, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 5) Support Noticed the user around. Good Q1-Q3. Perspective seems right. Long edit history runs hot and cold, but that is not a big deal; edits declining but still at 200/month. 200 WP:AIV edits. 200 WP:UAA edits. I'll trust the claim of a good success rate. Strong AfD main diagonal; enough recent. While pawing through talk page archives, I came across the User talk:QuiteUnusual/Archive 9 with its Cote de Pablo zinger; I've seen enough. Glrx (talk) 19:28, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 6) Support Seen around with no problems for me that I can remember. As to the link in the post above - I like it... Peridon (talk) 19:44, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 7) Support. Activity is good, and diligence in anti-vandalism and other automated areas is definitely a plus.  More personalized messages and editing, rather than automated editing, would be nice to see, but even so, the author's content creation certainly has been quality and of a reasonable amount.   dci  &#124;  TALK   20:09, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 8) Quite an unusually qualified candidate. Sorry had to do it. Anyway, support pending the answer to my question. Go   Phightins  !  20:14, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I resisted the temptation to say that his username proved he wasn't Tom Jones... Peridon (talk) 20:40, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
 * No you didn't ;-) -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 10:19, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) Support &mdash; I only just recently discovered that QuiteUnusual has not yet been granted the sysop bit. He is a very sensible, intelligent editor who will make an excellent administrator. Kurtis (talk) 20:41, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 2) Support no reason to think they'll misuse the tools. FeydHuxtable (talk) 20:51, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 3) Yes - per nom - clue? Yes. Editing chops? Yes. Already knows what the admin tools do? Yes. Has written content? Yes. Can communicate? Yes. Have I said enough?  Theo  polisme  21:24, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 4) Support - The wide community support from several respected members is enough for me to support this candidate. Good luck and stay positive! ~  GabeMc  (talk 21:41, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 5) Stephen 22:36, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 6) Support I checked this users contributions and he seems to be a great editor that will also make a great admin, and also per other support comments here. TBrandley 23:11, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 7) The image of a trusted wiki editor. Juliancolton (talk) 01:25, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 8) Quite an unusual RfA... Zac (talk &middot; contribs) 01:30, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Damn, everyone made the joke before me! 01:31, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) Support I see no reason why not to. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 01:46, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 2) CharlieEchoTango ( contact ) 02:03, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * The close paraphrasing pointed out below is a serious issue, and that's obviously something QuiteUnusual must avoid in the future. However, xe is a clueful and reasonable editor with an overall good understanding of policy and has responded to opposition with the diligence expected of a serious adminship candidate. The fact that xe is trusted on a sister project is a big plus. CharlieEchoTango ( contact ) 07:27, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) Support No problems here. Michael (talk) 02:06, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 2) Support, looks great. Nsk92 (talk) 02:52, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Support- No problems with this one.  B zw ee bl  (talk • contribs) 04:13, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) Support: Generally happy with answers to questions.  The people nominating also have good reputations, and their trust in this candidate makes me feel more comfortable. --LauraHale (talk) 05:50, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 2) Net positive, for sure. But Worm, please don't say stuff like "I stand before you" when you're actually sitting behind a computer on the other side of the globe. Jafeluv (talk) 06:56, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * As it happens, I was standing at the time - but I take your point. <span style='text-shadow:0 -1px #DDD,1px 0 #DDD,0 1px #DDD,-1px 0 #DDD; color:#000;'>Worm TT( talk ) 06:59, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) Long editing history with no dead bodies and no trace of Chuck Woolery. Kiefer  .Wolfowitz  07:40, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 2) Support. Great editor. Everything looks great. Torreslfchero (talk) 09:36, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 3) Support I prefer to see some evidence of admin type activity and interaction on Wikipedia, however QuiteUnusual does have admin experience on Wikibooks, and there's nothing alarming appearing on Wikipedia, which, coupled with an open attitude and a reasoned approach to matters, suggests that QuiteUnusual would make a decent admin.  SilkTork  <sup style="color:#347C2C;">✔Tea time  09:59, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 4) Support. Pretty much "as per everyone else" - lots of good work here, trusted positions in other projects, plenty of evidence of understanding policies, etc -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 10:20, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 5) Support. Looks good to me. — <span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr. Stradivarius  (have a chat) 10:21, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 6) Support - looks to be a good candidate, no concerns. GiantSnowman 10:29, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 7) Support - can't see any problems. Deb (talk) 11:18, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 8) Support...no evidence they will abuse the tools or their position.MONGO 11:43, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 9) Support Don't see a problem thus far. Regards, — Moe   Epsilon  12:11, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 10) Support Trusted nom.— cyber power <sub style="color:red;font-family:arnprior">Offline <sup style="margin-left:-6.6ex;color:red;font-family:arnprior">Trick or Treat 14:37, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 11) Support, although he needs to brush up on citing/copyright issues. Kierzek (talk) 15:21, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 12) Support I don't think avoiding close paraphrasing is as difficult as the candidate makes out, but I think if his understanding of it is was lacking, this RfA has been educational enough. Gigs (talk) 16:32, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 13) Suppose - looks good to me; they don't seem like they'll abuse the tools. Thine Antique Pen (talk) 16:59, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 14) Support This user has a good solid record, and there seems to be no real good reason not to award the mop Tazerdadog (talk) 17:49, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 15) Support if for no other reason than surviving the gauntlet of questions above. A good contributor all around and likely to be a solid admin. The concerns about copyright fall into misty gray area at best. Brief paraphrasing does not constitute copyright infringement, nor plagiarism. – MrX 20:23, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * No, not gray at best, and in this case not so gray at all. Besides, your final comment is off the mark: correct paraphrasing does not constitute copyright infringement. Drmies (talk)
 * I think we use an overly strict application of what constitutes 'close paraphrasing' or correct paraphrasing. If it were so clear, then WP:PARAPHRASE would probably be a guideline or a policy, and not an essay. Fair use doctrine provides some guidance for situations such as these. I still think that the examples below fall into a gray area, but what matters of course is the community's consensus. I'm just suggesting that it is not a black and white issue as some have portrayed it. – MrX 13:16, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Once you deal with real copyright violations as an editor and an administrator you get a new appreciation for the scope of the problem and the work done by the volunteers who clean it up. What we do not need is admins who are not clear on what is and what isn't a copyvio, or what is or isn't too close for comfort. I hope (haven't checked below today) that QU is addressing this somewhere. Drmies (talk) 18:45, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Please be assured that I am cross with myself for making these mistakes and I am addressing it. And I will address it in full by reviewing my whole edit history so it will take some time (progress log here for anyone who wants to watch this over the coming weeks). I am committed to a better encyclopaedia over any other concern and I am therefore genuinely grateful for those who pointed out my errors. Having found at least one problem that I didn't create, and looking at the difficulty of fixing it, I can better appreciate the concerns raised. <b style="color:#E66C2C;">QuiteUnusual</b> <sup style="color:#306754;">TalkQu 20:22, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) I support this refreshingly unique candidate with an apt user-name. I do find this candidates competence and skill to be quite unusual; uncommonly good. As an oft participant at wp:uaa, I am encouraged knowing the admin ranks will be strengthened upon the successful close of this RfA. <i style="color:#FF4500;">76</i> Strat String da Broke da (talk) 20:58, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 2) Support. Generally good contributions. A little shaky on the copyright issue, but not enough to oppose.  Axl  ¤  [Talk]  23:46, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 3) Suppose. Good candidate.  Spencer T♦ C 00:34, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 4) Support The close paraphrasing issues have been acknowledged, and there seems no reason to believe that the candidate would not be less vigilant in future with regard to his own or others' contributions. Work in other areas (e.g. AfD, user talk) reflects understanding of policies, indiciating that the candidate would probably not stray into areas other than those specified without having a good understanding of them. -- Trevj (talk) 09:49, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 5) Support. Plenty of clue, and if nothing else the manner of this editor's dealing with the concerns about copyright expressed here is persuasive. RfA is never the most stress-free environment but this editor can respond without badgering, take feedback, modify their position and demonstrate exemplary calmness, intelligence and flexibility. I sometimes think RfA doesn't work too badly as a crucible; only when you heat a sample can you see whether it cracks, melts or moulds. This sample is holding up to the heat well. Kim Dent-Brown   (Talk)  13:50, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 6) Support.(s)he has good contributions and for a long time he has been in Wikipedia Greatuser (talk) 14:30, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * It's a he, as per Worm That Turned's nom for QuiteUnusual. 15:36, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) Support; with a admonition to go help at SCV for a while. More familiarity with copyright work can only improve what little weakness there may be there.  &mdash; Coren (talk) 14:41, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 2) User might wish to work on copyright a bit and get a better understanding, but where he cited everything, and it is so rooted in fact it does not discourage me from supporting. It certainly wasn't good, but it wasn't in the least malicious. NativeForeigner Talk 15:25, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 3) Support. I took a look at WP:Plagiarism and found that it spans the continuum from "Copying from an unacknowledged source" to "Copying from a source acknowledged in a well-placed citation, without in-text attribution".  Neither is a concern here.  WP:Close paraphrasing might or might not be an issue for someone who was going to focus on copyright, but I can't see it being a bar to adminship.  The answers to the questions are thoughtful and display more than enough clue.  QU's handling of the issues raised here has been exemplary.  This one is an easy call.  <span style="padding:3px;color:gray;font:400 0.9em 'Garamond', serif">Garamond <span style="padding:3px;color:gray;font:400 0.9em 'Garamond', serif">Lethe  22:28, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 4) Support - we need some QuiteUnusual admins - variety is the spice of life.-- Gilderien Chat&#124;List of good deeds  22:31, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 5) Support pretty much per Coren. Hobit (talk) 01:47, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 6) Support. QU's handling of Oppose #1 shows clue and outweighs any other concerns I have. Would make a positive addition. -- Lord Roem (talk) 03:49, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 7) Support. -- Lemon Twinkle  04:58, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 8) Support Whilst one shouldn't place too much store in advanced permissions on other projects it does add weight. (indeed didn't we add +sysop to someone with very little tenure here but who required the bit for cross project work? - was probably a year or so ago) . I note the opposes; there seems to be a valid concern over close paraphrasing but I still think this is an area that is not, and never will be, fully ironed out - and not just on Wikipedia. Bottom line is - abuse/misuse of the tools is minimal, and likely clueful use of them is high. Pedro : Chat  20:04, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 9) Support He does seem proficient and trustworthy in the areas of adminship that he wishes to focus on, and his good standing as a sysop at Wikibooks is a further assurance that he will not misuse tools or trust here. I also believe that, as a result of this Rfa, he will be acutely aware of close paraphrasing concerns going forward, and so I cannot see myself opposing on those grounds. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 22:54, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 10) Support . Although the edit count distribution and the few personal messages at first  gave me pause, I'm  happy  to  take his work  on  Wikibooks - a Wikimedia project - into  consideration. He  doesn't  check  all  the boxes on  my  criteria either, but  again, quite unusually, I  feel  I  need to  make an exception  because I have rarely  seen such  excellent  answers to  the many  questions, and they  clearly  demonstrate to  me that  this is an editor who  can be trusted with the tools. While some opposers raise some interesting  points, any  bright line for copyvio/plagiarism is the subject  for another venue, and the concerns expressed do  not  reduce my  trust. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:40, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I have no problems with choice to support, but the "bright line" for copyright violations is at Copyright violations - in short, we don't accept them, and this is a legal constraint. - Bilby (talk) 00:49, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) Support – Per the user's answers to the questions and the extensive discussion here. The editor appears to be cautious enough to be trusted with the tools and he listens to feedback. EdJohnston (talk) 15:19, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 2) Support - Been on the fence about this one for a while, but I think that this candidate will be a net positive, provided he be mindful of copyvios. Trusilver  15:31, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 3) Support - User has good understanding of polices. I see no problems. Webclient101 (talk) 19:22, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 4) I don't believe there's any reason to expect the candidate would abuse or misuse the tools. Christopher Parham (talk) 20:58, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 5) Seems sensible, a sort that would use the tools well. Attribution issues are a more concerning, but shouldn't have much bearing on its work as an admin. The willingness to fix that also bodes well for dealing well with issues that may come up in other areas, and for admins issues always do. -— Isarra ༆ 01:16, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 6) Support - Good answers and attitude. Ticks my most important boxes of trustworthiness and competence. The close-paraphrasing issue is not too concerning, admins cannot be experts in absolutely everything (I've heard they're human). Jschnur (talk) 05:53, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 7) Support – Contributed well to the encyclopedic efforts. Paraphrasing being a point of contention the only thing I can add; “…is the highest form of flattery” (sic Intentional ). ShoesssS Talk 17:25, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
 * How is it flattery when the person being plagerized isn't even mentioned?```<em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:black">Buster Seven  <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:black"> Talk  19:07, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
 * It is a Colloquialism based on Charles Caleb Colton pharse that; “'Imitation is the highest form of flattery”…see that I am guilty too. ShoesssS Talk 19:28, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) Support no reason to think this user would abuse the tools --rogerd (talk) 19:19, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 2) Support User understand's most things! GOOD LUCK! (: --VJ.West (talk) 20:15, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 3) Have admittedly done no research on the candidate, only the oppose reasons below, and have found that they suck. Support to balance out the idiocy going on below. Ajraddatz (Talk) 23:40, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 4) Support; I've seen his work around here and there, and he'll be a great admin; no concerns. The Blade of the Northern Lights  ( 話して下さい ) 01:11, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 5) Support—while the paraphrasing is a concern, I feel that QuiteUnusual has and will continue to learn from the concern it has raised. {&#123; Nihiltres &#124;talk&#124;edits&#124;⚡}&#125; 06:00, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 6) Support, as I don't agree with oppose #2.--Jsjsjs1111 (talk) 09:29, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 7) Support - The paraphrase concerns that led to many opposes are valid, but I don't feel that they outweigh the numerous qualities that QuiteUnusual would bring to the adminship role. A reasonable amount of article experience, some solid contributions in UAA and AIV where QU plans to volunteer as an admin, and experience as an admin on a sister project, those allow me to overlook the other concerns. --  At am a  頭 15:55, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 8) Support no reason to think this user would abuse the tools. <B>-- RP459 </B> Talk/Contributions 21:53, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 9) Support - I think you have a sufficient handle on the site. I'm happy you intend to work on the backlogs at UAA. All of your answers to Q16 were excellent, except that "CorenIncDavid" should not receive a block. This falls under the "Mark at Alcoa" Exception, which was a precedent created approx. two years ago for username allowance. It's been codified for awhile now at WP:ISU, bullet point three. Continue your good work, and as always, re-review policies, guidelines, and consensus to stay afresh. If no one has pointed it out yet, Plagiarism (a guideline) is a good article. NTox · talk 01:38, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 10) Support - The only area of concern for me was the close paraphrasing, and I'm confident that of all the future mistakes this user will make, close paraphrasing will not be one of them. Not after this experience. :-) ~Adjwilley (talk) 03:03, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 11) Support I believe QU will not closely paraphrase again, and so denying him sysop rights on those grounds would be punitive.  David  1217  What I've done 03:36, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 12) Support  I believe that this entire process is too much like the litmus testing that a Supreme Court Justice must endure about hypotheticals and what one might do in some extremely specific circumstances.  Rather, I'd prefer to support this nomination based on historical activity and my expectation that an admin will act accordingly appropriate when given the mop.   Vertium '' When all is said and done 11:06, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 13) Support is justified in this case as I am certain that the genuine concerns relating to close paraphrasing will not re-occur. Lessons learned, he should be effective as an Admin. Leaky  Caldron  12:48, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 14) Support Good answers to the questions.  ☮  Soap  ☮  13:14, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 15) Support I see no reason not to. It is experienced and active, and is already administrator (and checkuser) in another project.  Érico Wouters  msg 13:38, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 16) Support Close paraphrasing issues can be fixed with on the job (OJT) training.--v/r - TP 15:15, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 17) Support Seems like a level-headed person with a good record and obvious respect for the Five Pillars, particularly civility. Strong commitment to the project. Unusually good understanding of their own strengths and weaknesses, frank admission of limitations rather than pretending to be an expert in everything, and clear intention to work only in the area of their strengths. --MelanieN (talk) 16:02, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Oppose

 * 1) Oppose I am concerned that QuiteUnusual does not understand copyright policy. Some examples from contributions showcased in Q2 and Q4: "knowledge of fresh shoots as a food source is minimal. In contrast, the engineered bamboo industry is expanding and there are plans to compete with China’s export of engineered products. Replacement of timber by bamboo in low-cost housing is reducing more expensive wood imports." ([//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Engineered_bamboo&diff=485333070 article]) versus "knowledge of fresh shoots as a food source is minimal; and canned (imported) produce provides a secure commodity supply. It is unlikely that this situation will change without a promotional campaign. ¶ In contrast, the engineered bamboo industry is expanding, and demand for a culm dryer and tile-making machine (the latter described in these proceedings) is increasing to ensure a consistent, good-quality product. Plans to compete with China’s export of engineered products are afoot, but current production costs and lack of unique products are limiting. Replacement of timber by bamboo in low-cost Philippine housing would open wholesale markets and reduce costly imports of wood for the same purpose." (source).  "Panel composites made from bamboo have better strength and dimensional stability when compared to panels made from several fast growing timbers." ([//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Engineered_bamboo&diff=485330441 article]) versus "Panel composites made from bamboo have great potential due to their better strength, dimensional stability and other characteristics compared to panels made from several fast growing plantation timbers." (source).  "Engineered bamboo was developed by a company working with the University of Illinois.... Engineered bamboo is appealing because it sequesters 35% more carbon, has stronger material properties, and is resistant to thermal expansion." ([//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Engineered_bamboo&diff=485330937 article]) versus "It was developed by a company working with the University of Illinois. This product is appealing because bamboo sequesters 35% more carbon carbon sequestration, grows much faster than trees, has stronger material properties, and is resistant to thermal expansion." (source, which is now a dead link). QuiteUnusual removed the quotation marks from a direct quote and integrated it into the article with minimal changes as if it were original material.  "There is little evidence of altitude decompression occurring among healthy individuals at altitudes below 18,000 feet (5,500 m)." ([//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Decompression_%28altitude%29&diff=478094753 article]) versus "However, there is very little evidence of altitude DCS occurring among healthy individuals at altitudes below 18,000 ft. who have not been SCUBA (Self Contained Underwater Breathing Apparatus) diving." (source).  "The usefulness of recasts in second language learning are controversial with some research indicating that they do not lead to any repair by the student as the student can only repeat the teacher’s reformulation." ([//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Recast_%28language_teaching%29&diff=487136057 article]) versus "Recasts do not lead to any self- or peer-repair: when there is repair, the student can only repeat the teacher’s reformulation" (source).  "• Establishing a clear understanding of the objectives and activities of business units and processes • Building the awareness of risk and controls and embedding responsibility for the controls amongst managers and staff • Providing a framework for improving controls throughout the organisation" ([//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Control_self-assessment&diff=481199447 article]) versus "• Obtaining a clear and shared understanding of major activities and objectives of business units and processes • Fostering an improved awareness of risk and controls among management and staff • Providing a flexible but structured approach to improving the controls framework through the organisation" (source). Syntactical similarities and identical phrasing are prevalent.  In light of these issues, I cannot support at this time. Goodvac (talk) 00:06, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Just to point out, at least two of those sources are Public Domain works from the US government. I'll ping  and see if she can weigh in. Ryan Vesey 01:38, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't want to down play the issue of close paraphrasing, but when you are citing facts that must be cited every sentence, it is often hard to NOT be close to the source sentence. It also looks like it was properly attributed.  If you stray too far away, it is synth.  If you are too close, it is paraphrasing.  To me, these looks like editorial decisions that can be moved farther away from the original source, but it seems a good faith effort was made to connect the source directly to the claim, while not quoting verbatim.  Not optimal, but not deceptive since they were cited.  In the fourth example, do we use "human" instead of "individuals"? "Happening" instead of "occurring"? Convert to metric?  How many different ways can you possibly say that one sentence?  Didn't he cite the exact source you show?  These are single facts, single sentences, and using a thesaurus to change every possible word just makes it look awkward and labored and inconsistent with the rest of the article.  If this was full sections, I would be more concerned, but some sentences/facts can only be expressed in limited number of ways, particularly if you want to be true to the source and not imply any additional meaning. Dennis Brown -  2&cent;    &copy;   Join WER 02:30, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Going to point out a similar RFA: Requests for adminship/Davemeistermoab. --Rschen7754 02:55, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Dennis: That's why we write in summary style, not paragraph-by-paragraph.
 * More directly relevant: I have done some more checks of his contributions, and they seem to be far more summary style than the few examples cited here, so I'm going to assume that this is just a couple isolated incidents rather than an ongoing problem. Reaper Eternal (talk) 14:56, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I should mention that I do general copyright violation checks as part of my vetting of candidates and have turned down two or three based soley on that. For QuiteUnusual, I didn't find anything that concerned me unduly. Having said that, my checks are likely not as thorough as some, and I didn't check the article mentioned above. <span style='text-shadow:0 -1px #DDD,1px 0 #DDD,0 1px #DDD,-1px 0 #DDD; color:#000;'>Worm TT( talk ) 15:09, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Close paraphrasing allows close paraphrasing in several circumstances, such as "when there are a limited number of ways to say the same thing". That is not the case for the examples I have provided; in every example except the last one, there is verbatim duplication of entire clauses without a structural change. Here are my own paraphrases of three examples: (1) "People are generally unaware that newly harvested shoots can serve as ingredients for food production. On the other hand, production of processed bamboo has increased significantly. Although the Philippines intends to challenge China in the processed bamboo market, they presently cannot, constrained by their homogeneous products and their manufacturing expenditures. Bamboo has also been supplanting timber in the construction of inexpensive houses. This has resulted in a diminished need to import the more pricy types of wood." (2) "A comparison of panel composites derived from bamboo and panels derived from burgeoning timbers revealed that the former was superior. Bamboo panel composites were found to be sturdier with greater dimensional stability." (4) "Under 18000 ft, healthy people without a scuba diving history have rarely been found to incur altitude decompression sickness."  In these examples, I have used my "own words, style and sentence structure to draft text for an article". Some text cannot be paraphrased because doing so would dilute the meaning. In such cases, to comply with Plagiarism, quotation marks should be used to attribute the source properly, which did not happen in the cases above. While the close paraphrasing may not have been willful, it demonstrates that QuiteUnusual does not sufficiently understand the conventions of content writing.  A recent RfA candidate failed in part because of close paraphrasing issues (Reaper Eternal's oppose at Requests for adminship/Rcsprinter123). Goodvac (talk) 15:19, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Close paraphrasing isn't just vocabulary, it's how the sentence is phrased. He can use many or even most of the same words, but it's how close the phrasing is to the source that makes it a copyright issue. I'd hazard a guess that what's happened in Goodvac's examples is that bits of the text have been pasted into the edit box and then reworked. That might not be the case, but if it is, it's a pretty bad habit. That altitude source can been reproduced verbatim, but to comply with our policies on plagiarism it still needs an attribution template. QU hasn't been deceptive here at all -- I'd say over 90% of editors who closely paraphrase don't know that they're doing it -- but it could be something that really needs to be addressed by the user before it gets worse. Osiris (talk) 07:12, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Your assessment makes sense, and as Rschen7754 points out, this has previously been shown a weak and often discounted rationale at RfA since it is a good faith mistake and a simple issue of editing method, not infringement. I'm confident that the closeing crat wouldn't conclude this is a reason to think he would misuse tools. Addressing it on his talk page, however, makes sense.  Dennis Brown -  2&cent;    &copy;   Join WER 11:08, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Extensive close paraphrasing is indeed copyright infringement. That's the only reason to be concerned about it.  It's not plagiarism if you cite where you got it.  Gigs (talk) 15:01, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Incorrect. Drmies (talk) 04:14, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * That's a quite extraordinary misunderstanding Gigs. Plagiarism is intellectual theft, passing off the work of others as your own, which is what you did, citation or no. Malleus Fatuorum 04:37, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Malleus is right. Plagiarism exists independently of the copyright status of the source.  AndreasKolbe  JN  466   08:05, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I think the RFA I linked to above is a bit misunderstood. The two primary editors behind this were Ottava Rima and Peter Damian, both indefblocked years ago. Several concerns were brought up about Dave's writing, specifically original research accusations, etc. Plagiarism was more of a poisoning of the waters thing that Ottava threw out there, to see if the accusation would stick; it's the equivalent to "And hopefully you aren't beating your wife." As a fellow roads editor, I investigated and found many of these claims to be false. I don't see bad article writing as a problem. I see the type of close paraphrasing above as a problem, as plagiarism. The way I understand it, it needs to be in quotes for it to be kosher; of course, that's awful writing style, but it's legal that way. --Rschen7754 10:06, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) Concerns about close paraphrasing. Also, insufficient experience creating content.  An administrator should have at least one GA under his belt.  I'm saying this because at my university there is a conflict between the academic staff and the administration.  The administration is widely seen to be more interested in enforcing its rules than supporting the academic mission of the university. Diesel-50 (talk) 01:52, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * While close paraphrasing and copyright concerns are a legitimate concern amongst !voters, DYK, GA and FA writing has almost nothing to do with being an administrator. If they are competent in the article namespace, can improve articles, and show that they have a clue about what and what not to add, then that is sufficient, in my opinion, and nothing to opine over. Administrators don't need to be the MacGyver of Wikipedia. Regards, — Moe   Epsilon  02:04, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * When I got my mop, I hadn't got any of those initials after my name. Still haven't. That's not my area. (Might surprise you all one day...) And as to "The administration is widely seen to be more interested in enforcing its rules than supporting the academic mission of the university" - isn't that what they are there for, so that the academics can be academical without having to come down from their lofty towers of knowledge to make sure the rubbish is removed and the students are aware that they mustn't smoke in the library? Peridon (talk) 21:09, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * It is easy to lose sight of what the mission of any project is when one is not involved in that mission. Wikipedia's mission is to publish articles, that is why I will not support anyone who isn't the author of at least one GA. Diesel-50 (talk) 02:39, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Ehh. While we are here to publish articles, there's a heck of a lot of other stuff for admins to do. Not everyone is great at writing articles. They are great at copyediting, patrolling for vandalism, etc. I don't think a good admin has to be a content creation admin, but there we go. Matthew Thompson  talk to me bro! 02:50, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh darn ... I only had a single DYK to my name when I became an admin. I do have to concur - those who believe that an editor must be a prolific content creator to become an admin certainly does not understand the admin role at all.  In fact, I'd hate to lose a content creator to adminship as the tasks of the latter often outweigh the former  dangerous  panda  11:10, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I had a few DYKs (slightly over a dozen at the time) but no GAs at all. GiantSnowman 11:14, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * And on the other side, (not mentioning any names) some very poor admins over the years have had excellent content work on their resume. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:23, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll take that as a compliment, Mark. ;) Drmies (talk) 21:24, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) Oppose I hate sitting in the oppose category, especially with someone like QuiteUnusual. I have a lot of time for people who help reference exiting material, and looking at QuiteUnusual's recent contributions, I see someone who could make good use of the tools. So based on that I'd be happy to support. Unfortunately, I agree with Goodvac's concerns, and found similar problems with Control self-assessment - overly close paraphrasing rather than plagiarism or blatant copying, but enough to raise flags. If two of QuiteUnusual's best contributions contain overly close paraphrasing, then I have to be concerned.
 * It feels like QuiteUnusual hasn't always been taking enough care with writing from the sources to get the right balance between expressing the core points in the reference and sticking too close to the original's words. Given the problems an administrator might face (and some have faced in the past) if this becomes an issue, and the importance of copyright compliance, my feeling is that it would be better just to say "wait a tad", give QuiteUnusual a bit of time to show that this isn't an ongoing concern, and then move forward knowing that there won't be any risk that it will come back and bite QuiteUnusual in the future. - Bilby (talk) 17:04, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) Oppose as per Bilby. Plagiarism is a serious issue, as it's stealing the work of others by claiming it as your own. Dennis may well be right that the closing bureaucrat will discount any oppose votes based on plagiarism, but it would clearly be an abuse of power to do so, as we're talking about honesty here. And why has the candidate taken no steps to clear up this issue in the articles given as examples? Malleus Fatuorum 19:09, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Plagarism: "The practice of taking someone else's work or ideas and passing them off as one's own." Since he is using the actual cites directly afterwards, it is imprecise to call it "stealing".  Obviously, I have no problem with any oppose based upon the perfectly valid concern but it should be accurately labelled.  "Stealing" implies he was trying to deny the original author credit, and he clearly wasn't, nor were his edits verbatim copies of individual sentences.  It was likely ignorance, and not malice or deception.  Had he been deceptive, my vote would be down here with yours.  Since he wasn't, it is my opinion that your wording is stronger than the reality here. Dennis Brown -  2&cent;    &copy;   Join WER 19:36, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * While plagiarism is more relevant to essays that allow primary research, I would disagree with the idea that close paraphrasing or direct copying is not plagiarism if the author is attributed. When you take a direct quote from somebody, or a quote where the structure is not sufficiently changed you are taking two parts of their work.  First, you are taking the idea.  Second, you are taking the creative thought.  To show that you have taken someone's creative thought requires more than in-text attribution, otherwise it is plagiarism. Ryan Vesey 20:10, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't agree with your analysis Dennis, but obviously in the light of recent events I'm in no position to discuss this further with you here. So I've simply cast my vote and am now leaving. Malleus Fatuorum 22:14, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi, regarding your comment on why hadn't I tried to fix the problems identified. While I understood the points being made and could see the problem, I wanted to do some further background reading of the relevant links provided in WP (e.g., all the useful links provided from PARAPHRASE) first. I also didn't want to give the impression that I was editing the articles to hide the problem from anyone else commenting at this RfA. This is not an attempt to get you to change your mind, just to reassure you that I've now looked at the article with the biggest problems and reworked it - it isn't perfect, but clearly it wasn't acceptable to leave it in its current form. I want to thank you and everyone else who has raised this concern here; it was definitely in need of addressing and (although I don't do much large scale content contribution) will certainly help me personally in the future. I will look at the rest of my contributions over the coming days to clear up anything else. Best, <b style="color:#E66C2C;">QuiteUnusual</b> <sup style="color:#306754;">TalkQu 08:24, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) Yes I'm meant to be retired but reading crap like Dennis Brown's reply to Malleus makes me angry. In the circumstances of an RFA, the ignorance of a candidate is just as bad as malice or deception.  Administrators, like first year tertiary students, should know what is right and wrong in this area, because we expect administrators to be able to act when circumstances demand.  The problems that infected DYK for so long were precisely due to ignorant and ineffective administrators.  We don't just want our admins to be 'good people', we need admins with a basic level of competence in applying core project matters.  Detecting improper writing is a core as things get on that front.  I'm sure QuiteUnusual will be able to attain that competence quite quickly after this RFA, but obviously not there yet, sorry.  On that note I'd endorse what Reaper Eternal says above -- start writing in summary style. --Mkativerata (talk) 20:01, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * If reading Dennis Brown's comment "makes you angry", you've serious issues involving anger management! Your presumption that provocation invited (caused actually) your visceral, is equally misguided. (metaphor redacted) <i style="color:#FF4500;">76</i> Strat String da Broke da (talk) 20:31, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) Oppose - I really thought I was going to support this. I was going to wait make my final decision until there was more input concerning the paraphrasing concerns. And I was really liking your answers to my and others' questions. I had intended on merely asking for a follow-up clarification on #7 (admins simply act too much concerning consensus, and clear understanding of that is required, even if just merely commenting regardless of venue). But the answer to Q#6 makes me very uncomfortable. And the last paragraph seals it. Talking to the others (such as the blocking admin) BEFORE unblocking (especially if this means you would fall under questions of WP:WHEEL) shouldn't be ignored even in the case you noted. There is a rather big difference between IAR and taking unilateral action as if we operate in a vacuum. - jc37 20:48, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * jc37, I've generally not responded to points raised as I don't want to appear to badger; it isn't my intention and I'm only noting this here because I feel I've not explained myself clearly. As you've raised a number of concerns I'm hoping it is okay to comment on one of them as it wouldn't influence your overall position. I wanted to say that perhaps I wasn't clear in my IAR example. I did really mean that in a case, where the blocking admin wasn't available and it was clearly an experienced editor in good standing on another project with long tenure being blocked then it ought to be okay to unblock while the AN/I review was ongoing (an AN/I review being necessary as the blocking admin isn't available) rather than waiting for that discussion to complete. I wasn't intending to suggest I would just wander around removing blocks I didn't agree with without trying to contact the blocking admin first. Thanks for your questions by the way, very thought provoking for me. <b style="color:#E66C2C;">QuiteUnusual</b> <sup style="color:#306754;">TalkQu  21:34, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * No worries about being accused of badgering. I appreciate and welcome requests for clarification. In a type-written environment, I find that this is just a way-of-life that we should expect particularly in regards to the tools and responsibilities of adminship.
 * I'm re-reading your comments. And if you don't mind discussion here, I'll be happy to ask follow-up clarification. (And welcome it of you to me as well, of course.) Though of course, no worries, if you'd rather not. - jc37 21:42, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I respect eventualities like this !vote, which reasonably asserts polar opposing views of equally viable conclusions; respectfully! I think the jury is still out on which of you is most correct, but I think it's worth noting the stringent resolve and principled stand taken, regardless of who the majority favor. I suspect you would agree? <i style="color:#FF4500;">76</i> Strat String da Broke da (talk) 21:23, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what jury you're speaking of. But as far as the paraphrasing concerns, it looks like User:Moonriddengirl has commented here on that. If there is anything you would like me to clarify in my comments above, please feel free to ask. - jc37 21:35, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I apologize for being obtuse. My regards are meant to compliment the agreeable manner demonstrated; in disagreeing. The "jury being out" was mistakenly presumed by me to be an intuitive metaphor, used to illustrate a grey area where opposing sides are both viable. My focus was regarding Q#6 primarily. And I'm generally clueless, so pardon my disruption. Best regards. - <i style="color:#FF4500;">76</i> Strat String da Broke da (talk) 22:34, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * No worries. And thank you for expressing the compliment. My apologies for not discerning that/understanding. - jc37 22:44, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) Oppose Leontopodium alpinum (talk) 22:52, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Care to provide a reason? Not needed, but with <100 contributions it helps. Matthew Thompson  talk to me bro! 23:31, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Plagiarism. And edit counts are not relevant. Leontopodium alpinum (talk) 02:43, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) Oppose Plagiarism.Those phrases are disrinctive and not yours, and they require quotation marks. I wish wikipedia writers would get the hang of summarizing rather than plagiarizing. And it is again a problem on DYK articles. However, learn to stop plagiarizing, and I will support a future run, if you don't make it this time. Otherwise seem to do well in the community and you appear to like doing work related to admin work. Eau(W)oo (talk) 05:10, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 2) Oppose this time, per EauOo above. AndreasKolbe   JN  466  08:08, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 3) Mmmph. I hate to do this, but the plagiarism issue concerns me, and we can't have a CCI on an admin. Also, the fact that it took a question to get the candidate to directly address the issue also concerns me. --Rschen7754 10:10, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi, just regarding it taking a question to get me to address the issue - the first oppose noting this concern was raised just after midnight my time on 18 October, when I was in bed. The question was asked at 4 o'clock in the morning when I was still in bed. When I had woken up and logged on, I answered it immediately, at 7 o'clock that morning. So, I think it is a little unfair to imply I was avoiding the issue as being asleep between midnight and 7 in the morning seems reasonable. Thanks <b style="color:#E66C2C;">QuiteUnusual</b> <sup style="color:#306754;">TalkQu 10:39, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, striking that part. --Rschen7754 17:24, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) Oppose When there's plagiarism, there's trouble. And when it comes to the Philippines, I support the actions. Please comment on this question: "What is CCI?" At least he's a admin and a bureaucrat in Wikibooks, which is not much of a consolation prize. TruPepitoM  Talk To Me  12:51, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 2) Oppose – you want to work at UAA but your answer to 13a especially leaves me thinking that you would not do a good job of it. I disagree that it would minimise the risk of disruption to contact WP:RFO without blocking. Notice that, if their username really is that offensive, you can block them, thus preveting them from going on to vandalize any number of articles, and then per RD2 immediately RevDel their username out of the block log entry, pending OS. Now, if I am right in believing (a) that someone's creating such an account name is itself evidence that they will go on to try to cause disruption, and (b) that more people read the sorts of high-profile articles likely to be targeted by trolls than the number who read the block log, then letting this person edit just because someone might glimpse something offensive on Special:Log is a bizarre strategy.  It Is Me Here   t / c 13:32, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the feedback, it's a fair point. But really I stopped by to thank you for not saying it would be a quite unusual strategy - it's surprising how quickly that joke has worn thin! Thanks <b style="color:#E66C2C;">QuiteUnusual</b> <sup style="color:#306754;">TalkQu 16:34, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I do not think the answer to Q#13a was sufficiently deficient to draw an oppose !vote, though I agree that It Is Me Here makes a good point. The aspect of that question which I had hoped to see highlighted, particularly regarding the expressed desire to assist at wp:uaa, was to ensure that you check to see if a report was filed at UAA; obviously these would require suppression as well. Within the past week a BOT report sat stale while UAA accumulated a backlog and it's presence necessitated the suppression of all subsequent reports until such time as it had been removed. So I was wanting to see the issue of avoiding further suppression addressed. <i style="color:#FF4500;">76</i> Strat String da Broke da (talk) 19:04, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) Oppose Intothatdarkness 14:02, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose and neutral !votes typically require more explanation, since these two sections are designed to be discussion-based to help the candidate understand why someone is not supporting them. If you could, that would probably help QuiteUnusual. Regards, — Moe   Epsilon  17:01, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I happen to disagree with the perpetual badgering that goes on in these threads, and the concurrent assumption that people who don't write extensive support or oppose essays are too lazy to research votes. Short version: I share the concerns others have expressed regarding close paraphrasing/plagiarism. Intothatdarkness 19:43, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not badgering you, not asking for an essay nor did I call you lazy. I said it might help QuiteUnusual for you to write more than your signature. Your short version would have sufficed, rather than your assumptions. Regards, — Moe   Epsilon  04:56, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) Oppose per plagiarism concerns. --John (talk) 14:44, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 2) Oppose per Goodvac, Malleus, John et al...Modernist (talk) 23:02, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 3) Oppose Both Dennis and Ryan make good points, however I have to agree that the concern with close paraphrasing (something even Jimbo Wales has spoken to directly) is enough of a concern to oppose this candidate at the moment.--Amadscientist (talk) 23:07, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 4) Oppose In light of copyright/paraphrasing issues I cannot support. ```<em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:black">Buster Seven  <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:black"> Talk  13:42, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 5) There are a curious number of supports above that have point-blank said there are no concerns with this candidate, and more that offer no rationale or joke rationales for supporting. I wouldn't bother to oppose here, but the close paraphrasing thing does at least merit consideration, and many supports seem to be entirely ignoring it. In my opinion, not every possible fact needs to be included in Wikipedia; if the options are to violate copyright or omit a trivial fact, omission may be the better part of valor. (Worth noting: This RFA was 25-0 before goodvac's oppose. So a majority of new voters are still supporting despite the close paraphrase issue.) Townlake (talk) 19:54, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 6) Oppose per above. His judgement in general seems below par relative to what I expect from admins. He seems to have very little admin-related experience outside of straight vandal reverting (per answers to Q6 & 7). Most his edits for the past year are semi-automated vandalism reverts and AWB-made style tweaks. I had difficulty finding any substantive content contribution of his in 2012. Also QU says here that we hardly need more admins anyway, and that other "thankless and unrecognized" tasks like adding references and so forth are much more important; yet he chose to spend most of his time on Wikipedia doing hardly any of those. Tijfo098 (talk) 11:07, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
 * It was this, this, this, this, this and this I was referring to when I talked of "thankless and unrecognised" tasks. There are all from a couple of week period around the time I made the comment. I stand by what I said that they are thankless and unrecognised. People may view them as trivial work, not worthy of note. I think though that outside of the FAs, GAs, etc., there is a whole stack of ugly, messy articles that need these small improvements if Wikipedia is to be of value to the fullest possible audience. <b style="color:#E66C2C;">QuiteUnusual</b> <sup style="color:#306754;">TalkQu 13:03, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
 * It's good that you did a few non-automated wording tweaks and ref formatting in April, but that's not what most editors would normally call substantive content contributions. Ok, maybe I'm a lazy meanie and didn't spot right away the hard work you must have put into that high-school infobox. Tijfo098 (talk) 13:51, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi, to clarify - I wasn't trying to justify that I was a "substantive content" contributor; I know I'm not. Nor am I trying to persuade you to change your view of me in this RfA. Rather, I was just responding to your point that I didn't seem to do any of the "thankless" tasks I thought needed doing. I fully accept they are pretty trivial, but your comment made it sound like I had said earlier in the year that I felt this work needed doing, but didn't bother doing it myself. I don't like people who complain about something but don't try and fix it themselves and it sounded a little like I was being accused of that myself. So I just wanted to explain what I meant by a "thankless" task and pointing to a few I did. Maybe I'm over sensitive! Hope that makes sense, best - <b style="color:#E66C2C;">QuiteUnusual</b> <sup style="color:#306754;">TalkQu 13:59, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) Oppose I looked through the candidate's contributions for June. They seemed to be mostly mechanical patrolling and gnoming.  That's useful work done well but the only time I notice him breaking out of this rut is for a porn bio.  I'd like to see more content creation and participation in discussions. Warden (talk) 11:23, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 2) * One time where he did attempt to clean-up an article in a slightly more substantial way was back in March . Tijfo098 (talk) 11:38, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 3) Oppose – I wanted to support but the paraphrasing issues make me unable to do so. TRLIJC19  ( talk  •  contribs ) 18:33, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 4) Oppose- Moved from support per plagiarism issues.  B zw ee bl  (talk • contribs) 22:34, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 5) Oppose Sorry, but close paraphrasing and plagiarism are major problems on Wikipedia (and arguably more difficult to fix than the BLP problems - or at least more time-consuming). We can't have authority figures with those kinds of contributions in their history. I know there's an admin shortage, but an admin is, in many ways, a role model, and we shouldn't do anything to suggest that the writing practices detailed above are acceptable. Zagal e jo^^^ 02:56, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 6) Weak oppose due to the answer to my question 15. I've been thinking about this a bit and think I'm going to have to oppose.  Ideally I'd like to ask another question and see the response but I can't think of a way to ask it without giving the answer away hence the 'weak'.  I have two concerns with their answer to Q15.  Firstly I think there's very few occasions where something can't be rewritten but as the candidate gives a reasonable example with a good explanation I'm not too concerned about that.  The second concern is their lack of mention of quoting the source.  If it is necessary to use the same phrase then I'd like to see it as a fair use quote.  This may well be what they mean by what they say in their answer but it's unclear. Dpmuk (talk) 18:50, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Hello, I didn't consider the point re. fair use quoting (had I answered 15 sometime later, having re-read the relevant guidance then I might have done, but that would be cheating!). But I didn't, so your contention re. my weakness there is correct. Thanks <b style="color:#E66C2C;">QuiteUnusual</b> <sup style="color:#306754;">TalkQu 19:26, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) Oppose Do some work eliminating the paraphrasing, spend a few months editing without repeating the same mistakes, and I'll be happy to support. AniMate 19:01, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 2) Oppose with regret I am familiar with the candidate's work on WB, which is outstanding. However, the points raised by others convince me that he has a bit more work to do before he is ready to be an admin here.  No doubt I shall vote support next time.--Collingwood (talk) 20:57, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 3) Oppose too much paraphrasing  Puffin  Let's talk! 21:53, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 4) Oppose Intoronto1125 <b style="color:red;">Talk</b> Contributions   03:59, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 5) Before I landed in this column, I was in the edit window for the support column for about 10 minutes, but I just couldn't come up with a reason that would justify me supporting. You are definitely a trusted user on a sister project, that's not under dispute and no one is taking anything away from that, but this is another project altogether, with differences in policy and community standards. Now, I don't see any of the opposers alleging that you've copy-pasted dozens of articles directly from the sources, however there has been close paraphrasing issues, and n terms of legal liability, it's still an issue; one I just can't overlook I'm afraid. I don't doubt that wrongdoing was never intended, but demonstrating the ability to write content without close paraphrasing is important, as it may aid in detecting close paraphrasing or the use of copyrighted content in newly created articles, when patrolling CSD. Sorry.  Steven   Zhang  Help resolve disputes! 11:58, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 6) Oppose - close paraphrasing issues and the impression I get that the candidate still doesn't quite get it. If you're going to be trusted with all the tools, you need to understand content creation and how NOT to do it, as well as how to do it. Ealdgyth - Talk 13:24, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 7) Oppose at this time, mostly per Ealdgyth and others - might be willing to support in a few months once paraphrasing issues have been completely addressed. Nikkimaria (talk) 16:02, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 8) Oppose per any problem connected with 'close wording', 'plagiarism' etc. Hestiaea (talk) 18:54, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 9) Oppose - First off, I thank the candidate for working hard at Wikipedia and for being willing to run the Rfa gamut. But as it stands, I cannot support a candidate with the type of issues this one has, largely the close wording objected to by multiple opposers. That and minor civility concerns give me pause. I feel the candidate needs to think things over and if still interested in using the admin tools, to try again next year. Jus  da  fax   06:34, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 10) Weak oppose The oppose reasoning mentioned above by various editors does carry weight for me. I'm sure that QuiteUnusual will take the opposes into consideration and reapply in three months or so... There's no harm in proving to the community that you can be trusted to follow our copyright issues to the tee. As said by Jusdafax, your contributions to our project are quite sincere and I too thank you for that. Will await your subsequent RfA. Wifione  Message 07:16, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 11) Oppose Per the plagiarism concerns. IRWolfie- (talk) 14:59, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 12) OpposeI prefer to see more content creation, showing the candidate knows how to use sources rather than copy them. Vandal-hunting is much easier than content creation, and while necessary, is not a sign that speaks "potential admin" to me. Bielle (talk) 17:10, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Q6, sorry. but unilateral unblocks are pretty much a universally bad idea. Courcelles 17:18, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I missed that, and agree with you completely. My concerns about this candidate are substantially reinforced. Jus  da  fax   17:50, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Neutral

 * 1) Undecided - Per the answer to my question, I cannot support this RFA because I believe that an administrator should have a good understanding of WP:NOR and WP:RS. You state that you believe you went through the correct policy-based approach when creating the article, yet unreferenced content and original research that you added remains today. Reaper Eternal (talk) 15:09, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 2) [ec with Reaper:] Neutral for now. I was reading this and thought, hey, here's someone who understands that properly writing and sourcing articles can be difficult, and who took the time to do it right. They pointed to this diff. However, when you see what was done there, one wonders to which extent the editor has a proper understanding of RS, and what kind of search methods they used. A quick search in Google Books leads to this, which is infinitely more reliable than this for sourcing the subject as Legolas. The same applies to this link, which is an interview with the subject on a dependent site. It may well be deemed reliable enough to "count", but does finding three links really take three hours? And do you really want to cite that diff as proving that editing can be hard? It can be, of course--here's an example. Drmies (talk) 15:21, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * It was two years ago so I'm afraid I can't be certain if it really took three hours - I'm just basing that on the time between the diffs and my memory of events. I agree completely with your points and the alternate sources given; presuming they were available online two years ago (and I have no reason to say they weren't) then I would indeed have been better using them. Thanks for the feedback. <b style="color:#E66C2C;">QuiteUnusual</b> <sup style="color:#306754;">TalkQu 15:41, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) Neutral. I really wanted to support this RfA, but the paraphrasing pointed out in the oppose section is too close for comfort. I have no doubt that QU added that content in the best of faith, and I don't think they are bright-line violations. But I can't put myself in the support column nonetheless. Someguy1221 (talk) 02:32, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 2) Neutral Good candidate, but I have concerns about lopsided editing history; an admin, I feel, should have more experience with mainspace content.  Miniapolis  ( talk ) 18:40, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 3) Neutral Rzuwig ► 21:31, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 4) Neutral per SomeGuy1221. Bearian (talk) 13:47, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
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