Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Shoessss 2


 * ''The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a request for adminship that did not succeed. Please do not modify it.

Shoessss
(23/26/7); Ended 10:35, 2 July 2008 (UTC); withdrawn. Closed by —Giggy

- Well, in that I have been involved with Wikipedia for just under 2 years, and it is coming up on a year since my initial WP:Rfa closed as a snowball, and rightfully so. I am once again looking to carry more responsibility or I believe as the saying goes; “...pick-up that mop and bucket.” In that years time, I have drifted away from vandal patrol and concentrated more on Afd participation – copyright violation and content building, primarily based on and from articles  I participated in at WP:Afd. In addition, I do have an administrative coach who has given me his blessing and has offered to nominate me for this new position. However, I self-nominated because I feel this allows' the candidate to be judged on their qualifications rather than the nominators. Similarly, I believe I have established a mentoring relationship and peer review with quite a few established and respected editors and other administrators here at Wikipedia that have looked to me for opinions and more importantly I depend on them for their insights to situations.

The answers to the three questions below should give you insight into my personality - agenda and what areas I plan to participate in as an administrator. Regarding me personally, a quick look at my user page and discussion page will give you some additional background information. ShoesssS Talk 15:59, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Questions for the candidate
Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Wikipedia as an administrator. It is recommended that you answer these optional questions to provide guidance for participants:
 * 1. What admin work do you intend to take part in?
 * A: As I mentioned above, I have been spending a majority of my time at Afd and have noticed that the process can always use a hand in closing the discussions. What goes hand – and – hand with Afd is of course CSD.  I believe my time spent in WP:Afd has allowed me the experience to understand and apply  the process involved with regards to proper handling of the  CSD procedures and requirements.  Finally, as we all know, depending on the phase of the moon – the time of day – period of the year, there is always a shortage of administrators at AIV/AVI.


 * 2. What are your best contributions to Wikipedia, and why?
 * A:Hopefully, I have not accomplished my best contributions yet and they are still to come! With regards to what I take my most pride in, up till now, would be salvaging articles from WP:Afd.  As I stated in my previous Rfa, the primary aspect that drew me to Wikipedia was the free dissemination of information with out regards to agendas or point of views. Just the facts and only the facts and I believe I foster that ideal every time I express my opinion at WP:Afd and I am able to bring an article, destined for the discard heap, to a piece worthy to be here on Wikipedia.


 * 3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
 * A: At this point in time, I would not classify any of my past discussions as conflicts but more as “passionate disagreements”! I believe if you look through my talk page and the talk pages of the other users I interacted with, you will see that a majority, if not all, ending amiability with all parties.  The one thing I remind myself, if I do get a little uptight about a situation is: One “…that I am not getting paid for this” – Two “…I am just a volunteer” and finally “…If I stop editing tomorrow – I can be easily replaced here at Wikipedia.”

Optional question from Keepscases


 * 4. What steps do you / will you take to ensure that no one else ever has access to your Wikipedia account?
 * A – Well, I do have my system setup so that it requires me to enter my password every time I sign on and does not automatically sign me on. In addition, my password does contain numbers – letters (including caps) – and at least one special character.  From my experience, that is pretty much anyone can do other than going with a https/ site.
 * No need to mention the above. Also, I presume you do use the https: site?  (See "Consider logging in on the secure server" on the login page.)  Finally I presume you run antivirus scanning software on your computer regularly, and keep it updated.  Bwrs (talk) 23:36, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * LOL- The one thing I can guarantee is that a majority of my editing is done on a network system that is about as secure as you can get here stateside. ShoesssS Talk 23:45, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Question from Rudget
 * Q. When you say " However, I self-nominated because I feel this allows' the candidate to be judged on their qualifications rather than the nominators.", on which experience or observation would you base that theory on? Rudget   ( logs ) 17:28, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * A - I will not point to this or that case, but address the issue as I see it personally. To put it simply, I did not want to jeopardize a nominator’s respect in the community, depending how this WP:Rfa goes, and wanted to gather consensus on Shoessss’s rather than the feelings of the community with regards to my nominator/nominators.  I know personally when I recognize the nominator of an individual, depending on the nominator, I will investigate the candidate either more thoroughly or less, depending on the nominator.  For me, I wanted no influence other than my name involved.  I know, long convoluted answer to an easy question. ShoesssS Talk 18:14, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * No need to describe it as 'convoluted'. Don't be so modest. Rudget   ( logs ) 18:19, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Question from Avruch
 * 6.: Can you be more specific about the contributions you are proud of? I won't ask for specific diffs, but perhaps some examples of article and Wikipedia talk discussion, an article you've improved significantly, that sort of thing? A number of the comments at the moment are focused on your RfA participation. What else should we be looking at to present a contrast? Avruch 17:55, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * A – An example of the type of work I am most proud of is Nutritional gatekeeper. Here was an article in WP:Afd headed for the trash heap.  With a little help and rewriting, I, with the advice of others, was not only able to save it, but actually able to get a  WP:DYK out of it just last week. ShoesssS Talk 18:28, 30 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Optional questions from User:Filll
 * 7. What should be done to encourage calmer environments around RfAs and similar polls? For example, would you support the Peaceful Polling Pledge?
 * A. – I believe that a majority of the time Rfa process is fair and just. To revert back to a time old adage,  “It may be unfair at times, but show me a better system.”  The procedure is based on a consensus of the community, expressing their opinions with out fear or prejudice against their opinion.  Right or wrong, those opinions are the bases and foundation of Wikipedia.  It is up to the individual candidate and or editor to either accept the consensus or move on.  As I stated, some where in this Rfa, “… I am not paid for what I do here”, and if I do not agree with the basic principles of what Wikipedia stands for, I can always move on.  Sorry to say, to some, at this point I do not plan on moving at this time :-). ShoesssS Talk 22:14, 30 June 2008 (UTC)


 * 8. Answer two of the exercises at the AGF Challenge 2 and post the answers here or a link to your answers.
 * A. - LOL – Happy, (or sorry, depending on your point of view), I have had the opportunity to participate in similar discussions at Afd and/or ANI. I would rather that editors express their opinions based on my contributions to those actual discussions, which can be easily found just looking at my contribution history, rather than hypothetical situations.  ShoesssS Talk 22:26, 30 June 2008 (UTC)


 * 9 Pertaining to Q from Rudget (and subsequent A):

Controversy currently surrounds RFA and one source of dissatisfaction is a belief that admin-coaching has become in some instances an "admin-mill". How would you think this might reflect upon your decision to not only self-nominate but to not make the identity of your Admin Coach (and consequently their support or otherwise) directly (ie conveniently) available - eg. from this application or from your User Page? Furthermore, how would you address the suggestion that side-stepping this issue (queries and concerns over which have been used both exclusively and inter alia to !vote oppose certain recent candidates) may have a quantity of bearing upon this self-nom decision and stated rationale? Plutonium27 (talk) 22:23, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * A - Well, personally I like administrative coaching. I believe it allows' the individual to discuss situations and circumstances with a more experienced Wikipedian's.  It also allows the editor to see the situation from a different perspective. I know personally, there have been times when I have been to close – involved or the subject matter has been over my head to comment on either intelligently or confidently.  I have gone back to my coach or mentor and have requested their advice on the situation.  Without the program in place, I would have not had that individual to lean on.  Concerning not naming my coach, all one really has to do is go through my contribution – edit history, they will stick out :-).  You may not have noticed, but I delete nothing, every thing is in my history.  I always believed, if you are willing to put it in writing, you had better be able to live with it, forever :-). ShoesssS Talk 23:01, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

No, Shoessss, I hope you don't think I thought you deleted anything. I just wondered why such a relationship was not made so obvious. Plutonium27 (talk) 17:37, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Not a problem Plutonium27. ShoesssS Talk 21:58, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

General comments

 * See Shoessss's edit summary usage with mathbot's tool. For the edit count, see the talk page.


 * Links for Shoessss:

''Please keep discussion constructive and civil. If you are unfamiliar with the nominee, please thoroughly review Special:Contributions/Shoessss before commenting.''

Discussion

 * I probably shouldn't vote (since you were the first to oppose my most recent RFA) but I don't believe that your oppose in that RFA was appropriate. With regards to my lack of experience, there's no real problem with what you said.  The problem was that you accused the nominator of "playing with people's emotions".  I'm wondering how quick as an administrator you would be to make that sort of comment. &mdash;  scetoaux (T | C)  18:11, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey "scetoaux (T | C), first, always feel free to express your opinion.  As you can see, by both sides of the discussion here, I do.  And honestly, that is the only way you get to know the person and to form an opinion of that individual.  Second, with regards to my soapbox comments, I still agree with them, but will not address it here, as I knew what I was getting involved with.   Take care. ShoesssS Talk 19:03, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, this is a minor point, but I feel that some of your formatting is a bit less proper. The indentation above was a little excessive, and your edit summary was almost indecipherable. &mdash;  scetoaux (T | C)  20:48, 30 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Moved personal discussion to here.  ShoesssS Talk 13:05, 1 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Constructive criticism: Don't wikilink random three letter acronyms as much. Rfa, Afd, CSD etc., especially when they aren't linked to the correct Wikipedia page (as you have done about a dozen times or so in your nomination and answers). Mahalo. --Ali'i 15:21, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Maybe he's a restricted free agent? WikiKingOfMishawaka (talk) 20:19, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Support

 * 1) Support - A great user who has shown excellent experience in deletion debates, always doing thorough research and often fixing aricles that are going to get deleted. He's also done some great work fixing copyvio's and he'd use the delete button well in cases where they can't be easily fixed. A warning to editors always follows vandalisn reversion and I believe he'd use the block button correctly. Certainly qualified and will a great addition to the administrative team.  Ry an P os tl et hw ai te  16:17, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) Support. Tons of experience, knows what he's doing at AFD and AIV. Plenty of mainspace work. Meets my admin criteria by a mile. He'll make a fine administrator. Useight (talk) 16:27, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) Naerii 16:33, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) Nousernamesleft (talk) 16:52, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 5) Support - Per Al tally. This isn't RfB. Wisdom89  ( T |undefined /  C ) 17:02, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I thought you two were going to be leaving each other alone? Naerii 17:04, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not taking a dig at him. I'm actually supporting based on the reason. "Frequent opposes" plus the experience that this user has shows that they meet their own criteria. Wisdom89  ( T |undefined /  C ) 17:06, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Alright. Interesting thought, becoming an admin because you meet your own criteria. Hey, my personal criteria is having a username that begins with "N" and ends in "aerii".. Naerii 17:09, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Sigh, you know that's not what I meant. Shoessss has the necessary experience and meets their own criteria high standards held for other candidates. Although, I might support someone if they had your username. Wisdom89  ( T |undefined /  C ) 17:11, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Ryan below makes an interesting point. Wisdom89  ( T |undefined /  C ) 17:12, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't know; I wonder about the trustworthiness of User:NI'mWillyonWheelsaerii. Joe 18:34, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, Wisdom: this is slightly contradictory... weburiedoursecretsinthegarden 18:59, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, I recall that, and had it mind while I was making my support. However, there is a fundamental difference that wasn't revealed until after I cast it. Al-tally and others make such votes to spite the opposition because they are fed up/frustrated. I was actually using the reasons in the oppose to explain my rationale. See the comments above and . <font color="#660000">Wisdom89  ( <font color="#17001E">T |undefined /  <font color="#17001E">C ) 19:57, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Support — self noms demonstrate the boldness demanded of an admin. –<font face="Verdana"> xeno cidic ( talk ) 17:30, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) Support per Ryan and Xenocidic and Useight. I believe the candidate can use the tools to the benefit of the project. Has the requisite experience and policy knowledge. I would like to suggest notifying article creators of speedy deletions, if you are not doing so already. You might also what to address how you come across to other users based on feedback from the first few opposes. While it's good to have high standards, it's detrimental to appear harsh or bitey. Cheers,  Dloh  cierekim  17:48, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Further comment I don't see candidate's comments on other RFA's as being grounds for oppose here. I do not interpret them in the same light as the opposers. Every neutral or oppose need not be done to enlighten the candidate, and pile on's sometimes occur before someone snow closes. RFA is not editor review, and the primary purpose is to establish consensus. Dloh  cierekim  18:00, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Support, per my comments on his talkpage. <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper  |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  17:53, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) Support - Trust editor, I view self-noms as prima facie evidence of bravery and admirable self confidence. — Realist 2  ( Who's Bad? ) 18:09, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) Support. I see a fine editor, who I'd trust with the tools (my primary criterion), and I don't think someone's standards at RfA should be held against them in their own RfA.  I'm probably way-over-lenient with my supports, but I don't have a problem with someone who opposes more often than others would prefer.  &hArr; &int;Æ S   dt  @ 18:12, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) Weak support The opposers make some good points, but not quite enough to sway me. Keepscases (talk) 18:31, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 5) Support I see self-noms as Louis Prima evidence of free-spirited behaviour (case in point: ). Seriously, my encounters with this candidate have been pleasant and I would welcome having him as an admin. Ecoleetage (talk) 18:34, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 6) Support, sure. No reason not to.  Plus: a self nom. <font color=#006600>weburiedoursecretsinthegarden  18:59, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 7) Support the RFA comments are irritating but this is not RFB and he seems to be a good contributor in other areas. -Icĕwedg Ё  (ťalķ) 19:59, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 8) Support - per my criteria. Also I don't see how this users RFA participation should be a reason to oppose their own RFA, if they participate in a pile-on whilst opposing then so be it, but that isn't a good enough reason to prevent them from having the tools for adminship. If he became an administrator, how would his opposes be any worse or better than they are now? An argument like this belongs at RFB not RFA. -- Chetblong ( talk ) 21:33, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 9) Support <font face="papyrus" color="Black">A <font face="papyrus" color="Green">ni <font face="papyrus" color="Black">Mate 21:43, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 10) Support I recall running into this user and wondering why he wasn't an admin already. Displays competence and knowledge of policy key to filling the role of admin, and has clear experience in relevant areas. Comments in the oppose section, especially about accidental reverts of WikiBreaks and "probably lack of content contributions", aren't convincing. <font color="0000FF">Glass <font color="0000FF">Cobra  00:03, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Those reverts weren't accidental. I clarified my oppose. Thank you!  <font color="#007BA7">miranda  00:12, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Support Why isn't he already an admin? Leonard( Bloom ) 00:10, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) Support. The contributions wowed me. Rational comments at AfDs and especially careful work at SCV. The delete button can be a handy little tool when it comes to correcting copyright violations, so the self-nom I think is due to real need for the tools. Looking at the account's first edits, I believe user cares a lot about article writing, so he seems to be here for the right reason, not power or that stuff. Trusted editor, and I don't see how his high standard at RfAs has any bearing on his use of the admin tools. --PeaceNT (talk) 03:52, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) Support. Devoted user, knows policies and is willing to help even when the things get more complicated. In brief. Cheers. --Tone 08:50, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) Support. I've long seen Shoessss around at AfD, and very often his comments are intelligent, clueful, and helpful. He fully understands the policy in the area he plans to work in.  The issues raised in the oppose section don't bother me much.  First off, if one looks back to around mid-May, Shoessss's RFA contributions are much more mixed between support and oppose, and all are thoughtful.  The only issue I can find to take with this candidate is occasional bad grammar and spelling, and new versions of Firefox have a spelll chekker built in so it's no biggie.  Overall, he'll make a great admin.  --<i style="color:green;">lifebaka</i> (Talk - Contribs) 14:07, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 5) Support - seems like a good candidate, and no pressing reason not to presents itself. Some of the RfA comments are perhaps a little open to being taken badly, but nothing like bad enough to make me worry that this user would abuse the tools. Olaf Davis | Talk 16:44, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 6) Support Based on demonstrated technical capability. That said, I share many of the sentiments expressed by those who oppose, in particular Acalamari. Hiberniantears (talk) 17:53, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Oppose
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 * 1) Oppose &mdash; I view self-noms as prima facie evidence of power hunger. Kurt Weber ( Go Colts! ) 16:41, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) Oppose Frequent opposes on RfAs shows me this user has little to no idea about the reality of what being an admin involves. Much too strict for my liking; I can imagine since he opposes so much, he feels adminship is some kind of trophy, which it isn't, and if promoted will treat the position in an improper fashion. People who frequently oppose on candidates that end up passing clearly don't have the necessary "clue" needed for adminship. As you like to say on your own opposes, come back in three months with some less strict voting and I'll support happily.  Al Tally  talk  16:43, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Whilst I agree with the sentiment, don't you think it's a little hypocritical to oppose on these grounds? I'm not sure RfA is the right place for an "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" attitude. Whilst I respect the idea about seeing adminship as a trophy, it seems more to me that he just has high standards. A good question to ask would be "Does Shoessss meet his own high standards?" If so, then I see no problem with his opposes.  Ry an P os tl et hw ai te  17:04, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I have to agree with Ryan here. While I don't quite see any of this as hypocritical, I feel that this sort of an oppose would be more fit for someone running for Bureaucratship. <font color="#660000">Wisdom89  ( <font color="#17001E">T |undefined / [[Special:Contributions/Wisdom89| <font
 * I would like to take a crack at answering the question posed by  Ry an P os tl et hw ai te , and give an explanation of my opinions with regards to WP:Rfa. I believe if you look through a my opinions expressed at WP:Rfa’s with regards to opposes, you will find a majority of them were for candidates with either edit counts below 3,000 or with less than 6 months experience.  They are the standards that I impose on the canadate and myself.  Typically when I speak up, either for Oppose or Support, I will do it early in the discussion and give reasoning behind my opinion.  If an WP:Rfa is far gone conclusion (65/0/0) or (0/65/0) I will not comment in that my two cents will not make a difference.  Likewise, I do not participate in every Rfa and usually only get involved when I feel I can contribute.  With regards to the both the Support and Opposes expressed in this WP:Rfa, no matter what is said, I take either as a compliment or areas that need to be addressed. ShoesssS Talk 17:31, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Interesting that this topic be brought up right after I created User:Useight/RFA Participation. I created the page, one, for my own quick reference, and two, for transparency. Perhaps other users may find creating a similar page to be useful and/or helpful, I don't know, just throwing it out there. Useight (talk) 17:47, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I think GlassCobra has one also... Malinaccier (talk) 17:49, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Not yet, it's still a work in progress. <font color="0000FF">Glass <font color="0000FF">Cobra  23:44, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Oppose Per the points mentioned by Al Tally, which are really worrying in my opinion. I am concerned as well that he “will treat the position in an improper fashion.”. Sorry. —αἰτίας •'discussion'• 16:59, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) Oppose Strongely per Al Tally. And also for once, per Kurt Weber. America69 (talk) 17:03, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) Due to unfair comments (not high standards) on the RfA candidacies of other people: first off, I remember this unhelpful non-support from the other day, which didn't serve any purpose at all, followed by an oppose to the same RfA; in addition, the oppose was #34, with only 13 supports: the RfA was clearly not going to pass, and the oppose was adding to an already large and unnecessary pile-on. This neutral, and comments like this and this also added nothing to the said RfAs, and came across as biting to me. I also found this oppose, which was just a pile-on oppose and pretty much gave no new constructive criticism to the candidate: when an RfA reaches a pile-on point like that, unless you have something helpful to the candidate to say, why add another oppose to the pile-on? Shoessss seems like a good editor though, I'll give him that, but I'm not sure I feel comfortable supporting at this time. Acalamari 17:26, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * First, if you notice in your link, it was not my final edit. I actually struck that remark, as I felt it made a comment that was unfair to another editor.  (And not the one supporting the candidate).  In addition, I believe my Oppose opinion also pointed out what needed to be done by the candidate to successfully gain the administrative role (both edits shown here) .  Concerning your second reference, I believe you did not show my original opinion of neutral as Snow was when it was 1 Support – 3 Moral Supports and 4 Opposes.  To me that is Snow.  Finally, the last Rfa was an editor with only 59 total edits.  Sorry to say, I am not the most diplomatic individual, as we can see.  However, I always considered myself as the type of person that says what they mean and does as they say and let the chips fall as they may :-). Either way, thanks for your comments ShoesssS Talk 21:41, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Oppose based on clueless comments shown in the diffs above, candidates inability to link to WP:RFA in their comment above, inability to correctly use Wiki markup in one diff above, all of which suggest the candidate isn't sufficiently knowledgeable to help administer WP at present. And someone please hit Useight with a stick for suggesting we should all keep pointless records of voting habits in RfAs - we're here to write content, not pointless bloody lists. Nick (talk) 18:13, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Please note that I did not suggest that "we should all keep pointless records." I said some may want to consider keeping track of their info. Anyway, I'm a big proponent of the mainspace. I have over 7500 edits there (46% of my total edits). I notice that your stats are extraordinarily similar. Useight (talk) 22:27, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Oppose per Majorly and Acalamari's diff's. Forget about the fact that they are from RfA for a second. I'm concerned about the comments themselves as unproductive and a tad bit bitey. Not something an admin candidate should be displaying. &mdash; <font color="#444444">Maggot<font color="#222222">Syn 18:19, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) Oppose. I am concerned by flippant remarks during another user's RFA. This demonstrates a lack of maturity. Axl (talk) 18:26, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) Rather regrettably. I am concerned by the diffs provided above, and some various comments that I've seen around the wiki (I won't provide diffs, but they are along a similar tone to the above, i.e. quite bitey). However, I will take this opportunity to encourage Shoessss to carry on with his work elsewhere and continue the great work at SCV (which is such a rarity in candidates nowadays, its brilliant!). Rudget   ( logs ) 18:28, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) Oppose, per Al Tally, Acalamari, and Kurt. At the top of WP:BITE, someone (recently?) added "Civility, Maturity, Responsibility"; I think that was a good idea. I don't doubt your maturity or responsability, but civility seems to be an issue; maybe re-read BITE (and I don't mean just for the SNOW-RFAs). Also, all the questions were answered weakly. I do, however, admire your sig. ;) · <font face="Times New Roman" color="Black">AndonicO <font face="Times New Roman" color="Navy">Engage. 18:29, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 5) Oppose per Majorly's argument about your flippant opposes at RfA. Regretfully, but adminship is most certainly not a trophy, and shouldn't be treated as one. Besides, some of your comments at RfA are borderline WP:POINTINESS, and that's not a Good Thing for an admin to possess . -- Mizu onna sango15 / Discuss 18:30, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Honestly, I never viewed the administrative role as a trophy. Do I consider it a validation of an editor’s contributions and trust-worthiness, yes.  I honestly believe an editor has to earn it.  I do not believe the adage that it is no big deal.  But a trophy no.  I believe, if you review my talk page and other contributions, you may get a better insight.  Thanks. ShoesssS Talk 23:21, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * You're really going to accuse the candidate of being purposefully disruptive? <font color="#660000">Wisdom89  ( <font color="#17001E">T |undefined /  <font color="#17001E">C ) 18:34, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The editor siad that some of his RFA comments border on pointless, the editor did not say disruptive. America69 (talk) 18:37, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The user linked to WP:POINT. <font color="#660000">Wisdom89  ( <font color="#17001E">T |undefined /  <font color="#17001E">C ) 18:38, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, my mistake. America69 (talk) 18:42, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Peace, everyone. I don't mean to offend, really I don't, but I have to be honest; going out of one's way just to make a point seems to be a clear-cut example of pointiness. -- Mizu onna sango15 / Discuss 18:45, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't worry. There's peace, dude. I appreciate honesty, and I won't disagree with you too much that a lot of the diffs shown above do reveal "meaningless" comments at RfA. That said, I just get wide-eyed when somebody blue links to WP:POINT. Making a point, or not making one in this case, isn't the same as what is stated in the guideline. <font color="#660000">Wisdom89  ( <font color="#17001E">T |undefined /  <font color="#17001E">C ) 19:24, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for understanding. :-) Just to be clear, when I said "going out of one's way to make a point", I didn't mean just making a point (naturally, there's nothing wrong with that) I meant pure WP:POINTINESS&mdash; disrupting Wikipedia to make a point which, IMHO, has sometimes been done by the candidate, as seen from some of those diffs. -- Mizu onna sango15 / Discuss 00:37, 1 July 2008 (UTC).
 * Hopefully my striking out of the WP:POINT link will make this oppose appear less controversial. Deepest regrets for the oppose, Shoesss, and I respect you as an editor; I merely have some concerns that keep me from supporting. -- Mizu onna sango15 / Discuss 16:16, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) i'm sorry.  <font color="#007BA7">miranda  19:47, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Ahh  <font color="#007BA7">miranda , you are not going to hold that against me, especial after this :-) .  ShoesssS Talk 21:03, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, per Acalamari and probably lack of content contributions to mainspace.  <font color="#007BA7">miranda  00:09, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * LOL - ahhh I have learned my lesson well :-) . ShoesssS Talk 00:13, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Oppose per Al Tally. macy talk 21:01, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) Oppose. based on "meaningless" comments at RfA that demonstrates a lack of maturity. --Kaaveh (talk) 01:00, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) Oppose. Agreeing with Al Tally and other comments regarding maturity. <font face="" color="maroon">tabor -<font face="" color="000000">drop me a line 02:40, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) Oppose after reading the above, and then reading through Articles for deletion/List of fictional brands in South Park (2nd nomination) I find myself scratching my head, and unwilling to endorse for extra powers. Pete.Hurd (talk) 04:59, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 5) Oppose - I don't like the evidence I am presented with in both the discussion at the top, and in some of the opposes. Although I do feel that Al Tally (or Majorly or whatever you want me to call him) has been a little "tit-for-tat" in his attitude, he does have a point somewhere in his reasoning...this user's answers to the questions are vague, messy and don't indicate to me a clear understanding of policy. Further more, some harsh opposes on RfAs he has participated in show that he is reluctant to see others "achieve" an admin position more often than not, whilst giving some strange reasons thus. I wouldn't be comfortable giving this user the tools tbh, not yet anyway. A little too-relaxed attitude to some opposes which contain evidence of edits not expected from an admin, Miranda's for example, also raises an eyebrow. <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans-serif"> Lra drama 10:20, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 6) Oppose Treats the RfA process like a joke, as pointed out above. Kurt gets it right for once. WikiKingOfMishawaka (talk) 14:27, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 7) Oppose per above. ┌<font color="#000099">Joshii ┐└<font color="#660066">chat ┘ 14:59, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 8) Strong oppose - Wow, Kurt was actually right this time. It seems that maturity is lacking here. <font style="color:white;background:#4682b4;font-family:sans-serif;"> Asenine   17:54, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 9) Oppose Inconsistent in correctly providing links to Wikipedia policies (see, e.g., the discussion under Oppose #2). Disorganized in formatting responses to discussion questions, using seemingly random numbers of colons.  Administrators need to give other users the impression they are keeping the place organized.  With respect, this candidate does not. Townlake (talk) 19:50, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 10) Oppose per Al Tally. <em style="font-family:Copperplate Gothic Bold;color:Black">Little <em style="font-family:Copperplate Gothic Bold;color:Red">Mountain <em style="font-family:Copperplate Gothic Bold;color:Blue">5  00:06, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 11) Opppose, I actually agree with Kurt, this nomination appears to be far more of wanting to be a syop than wanting to help the community. Also, very uneven distribution of edits from month to month (we really don't need any more inactive syops). Also, edits in talk/wikispace areas suggest a lack of thought before writing (hence the references to flippant comments above).--Finalnight (talk) 02:26, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 12) Oppose - Per answer to Q2. I would like to see some more mainspace contributions before I can support your RfA. - <font color="Blue">Shudde <font color="Blue">talk  04:52, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 13) Oppose per Al Tally and others. Juppiter (talk) 05:30, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 14) Weak oppose per reasons discussed above. Also, lack of wiki knowledge (see tons of bad wikilinks by nominee above, e.g Rfa instead of WP:RFA) isn't inspiring regarding being able to use the tools properly. Oren0 (talk) 06:46, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Neutral

 * 1) Neutral leaning toward oppose. I'll start out by saying that I would've opposed this except that I feel it would be unfair (for some reason).  I must also agree with Majorly's oppose.  Your comments and standards at RfA can be quite damaging and also thoughtless.  Normally this would be minor, but a previous interaction with you at RfA left a bad feeling in my mouth and I was unimpressed by your self-admitted soapboxing on the RfA.  As an administrator, you can't be so flippant with your comments because you will be representing Wikipedia.  I'm sorry, but I cannot support you right now and I may even change to a full oppose later.  Malinaccier (talk) 17:25, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) Neutral, I am highly appreciative of the candidate's contributions and experience in AfD where (s)he intends to contribute as an administrator, and likely would have supported except for the numerous problematic diffs being pasted in the opposition leave me unable to do so. Familiarity with policy and procedure are highly important as an administrator, but the behavior demonstrated there is not really befitting of someone who intends to become involved in what invariably become heated debates.  I'd like to see more time pass with more mature communications before I can support.  <b style="color:#0000FF;">Sher</b><b style="color:#6060BF;">eth</b> 23:09, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) Neutral - The edit history seems a bit backwards. The edits in the last 3 months are significantly less than previous months. Not the pattern I would expect for someone looking for more authority and responsibility. Dbiel (Talk) 00:42, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) Neutral -- The opposes make a pretty strong case but I do not wish to join in the pile-on. My advice for this user is to take some time working in the mainspace for a bit and being a bit more careful about his RFA activities. -- Sharkface T/C 01:11, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 5) Neutral: Support per reasonable arguments at Articles for deletion/List of fictional brands in South Park (2nd nomination), Articles for deletion/Wii System Software, Articles for deletion/Illuminati in popular culture, and Articles for deletion/List of Homer Simpson's jobs (3rd nomination) as well as User:Shoessss, but oppose per Articles for deletion/Characters in Resident Evil 5 (AfD is note a vote), Articles for deletion/List of fictional United States Presidents (2nd nomination), Articles for deletion/Nine Hundred Nights (film) (clear keep), and Articles for deletion/Cultural depictions of Fyodor Dostoevsky (essentially a WP:PERNOM). Sincerely, --<font face="Times New Roman"> Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles  Tally-ho! 04:26, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 6) Still thinking - more Q&A (as usual) would help, but might add my own - who knows. Ncmvocalist (talk) 16:00, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 7) Neural...but still contemplating! --Cameron* 09:32, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
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