Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Tbo 157 2


 * The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a successful request for adminship. Please do not modify it .

Tbo 157
'''Final (22/1/2); Originally scheduled to end 11:39, 25 November 2007 (UTC). Nomination successful. --Deskana (talk) 13:40, 25 November 2007 (UTC)'''

Co-Nomination by Lar
 * Note that this is Tbo 157's second nomination. His first one, from late August of this year, can be found here and was withdrawn after about 2.5 hours when it became obvious to Tbo 157 that he was not ready.


 * Tbo 157 first came to my attention when he turned up on my talk page very shortly after that. I demurred, but he was patient, persuasive and persistent, and finally I agreed, since I had my favourite co-coach John to help. We put him through quite a few things over the last few months, in fits and starts. As with other candidates I've coached, the focus was more on the "why one would want to be an admin" than the mechanics. To see what we did, see User:Tbo 157/Admin coaching and also User talk:Tbo 157/Admin coaching. There's a lot to review there but I particularly like his long and thoughtful analysis of User:Mindspillage/admin here, which was his first long response to our interrogations. See also his thoughtful discussion of "Is it ever OK to call someone a troll?" in the User:Tbo_157/Admin_coaching section, and his responses in the scenarios.


 * Tbo 157 may still have a low edit count by some people's standards, but I think this is a thoughtful, considerate and polite user, willing to admit fault, willing to change his mind when justified, and with the right level of introspection about the adminship task. He is asking to further help the project for the right reasons, and he "gets it" and is "not likely to blow up the wiki". I'm not sure he yet "has a deft touch" but that will come.

Co-Nomination by John
 * Tbo 157 is a hard-working and civil user who knows policy, works well with others and knows when to be patient and take the long view. Like Lar, I was very impressed with his participation in the coaching exercise we set up for him. He has visibly learned from experiences on Wikipedia over the time he has spent here. I particularly appreciated his patience during the months it has taken to complete this process; not being in a hurry to attain adminship seems to me like a very good sign in a prospective admin. The fact that he likes trains and knows what a MANPAD is are just bonuses.


 * His integrity, work ethic, and approachability will all be even greater assets to the project as an admin. He is ready now for the tools, I think.


 * Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here: I accept. Tbo 157   (talk)  11:33, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Candidate statement
 * I would like to thank both User:Lar and User:John very much for their conoms and for their time in coaching me. They have dedicated alot of voluntary time to the coaching process and I am sure that this can only be a benefit to Wikipedia.  I myself have thought alot about Wikipedia and its processes during the process and I will put into practice what I have learnt from the 2 great users in the future on Wikipedia.
 * N.B I will try to answer any optional questions as soon as possible but I do apologise in advance if there are any slight delays in answering them. Thanks. Tbo 157   (talk)  11:33, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Questions for the candidate
Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Wikipedia as an administrator. It is recommended that you answer these optional questions to provide guidance for participants:
 * 1. What admin work do you intend to take part in?
 * A: I would start off in the areas I am most experienced with but as I gain experience I am willing to go into other areas and learn as I have noticed that some admin areas do seem to get neglected for a long time, for example Possibly unfree images. Areas I would start off in include:
 * Deletions - I have been quite active at WP:XFD and in tagging new articles for speedy deletion.
 * Vandalism - I have done some vandal fighting in the past and have responded to messages left at WP:AN/I.
 * WikiProject - Most importantly, I aim to help the WikiProjects I participate in by sorting out various stubs and templates. I will also help with the anti vandalism work within the WikiProjects.


 * I will also be willing to help users and other admins in Wikipedia with anything. Being trusted users, I think it is important for admins to be able to help users with any administrative or non administrative tasks.  I also believe it is important that administrators can help each other in any tasks necessary.  For this reason as I get more experienced with the various admin tasks, I will be willing to learn and diverge into new areas so that I can help with the project to my full potential.  Areas which I may eventually go into are image deletions, page protections, problematic usernames, WP:3RR and WP:SSP.  These are all areas in which I am familiar with the processes but will need a bit mroe work before I can start performing admin tasks in the areas.


 * 2. What are your best contributions to Wikipedia, and why?
 * A: I think my best contributions still remain my work in WikiProjects. I enjoy working in various WikiProjects and their associated portals.  I believe WikiProjects are great aspects of Wikipedia in which users with a smiliar sort of interest and knowledge can collaborate in writing articles to the best quality.  Maintaining the Wikiprojects and aspects of it such as Portal selected articles are essential for keeping the community spirit so that the collaboration can continue.  In terms of article work, I have contributed alot to London, England based articles.  Since it is an area I am familiar with, I contribute my knowledge to these areas.


 * 3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
 * A: There are a couple of incidents or conflicts, I have been involved in, which I would like to mention. If there are other incidents I haven't mentioned, then feel free to mention them and I will comment about them as appropriate.


 * To start with I recently questioned a WP:UAA report as I hadn't heard of a particular offensive term, . However User:Rjd0060 and User:ArielGold kindly advsied me of the situation and I withdrew my comment which questioned the report, .  A discussion which was started on my talk page from this incident can be found here, .  Being based in the UK, there are some offensive terms used mainly in other countries which I have not heard of.  This seems to be a common situation in username concerns as offensive words themselves and defitions of offensive words can vary betwwen countries.  For this reason, I will not remove reports, as no need to block, from WP:UAA unless it is a blatantly unnecessary report.  If I do work in WP:UAA, I will only block blatantly offensive or inappropriate usernames.
 * I once caused User:Miranda stress by asking her to make an ad for a wikiproject as the user seemed to be experienced with them. This can be seen by this diff, and the response,  and   I had already asked the user beforehand, what software the user uses to make them as shown by this diff,  but it was a very hard software to use.  However I did not realise that the user didn't like making them.  I did apologise as shown here,  and the user seemed to have understood my apology, , but I would like to apologise again for this incident.  I should have asked on the talk page of the ad banner page or asked a user who appears as being able to make ads on the page and this is what I will do from now on.
 * A few months ago, I didn't think about policy when commenting in this AFD, Articles for deletion/List of events at The O2 as it was an article I had made quite a few contributions to, . At that time, I didn't have a solid understanding of policy.  However I know what mistake I have made now and I have learnt from it.  In any AFD I will always try to reach a consensus using policies and discussion.  Since this incident, I have participated in numerous AFDs and I feel quite confident with AFDs now.  When closing AFDs, I will always close the AFD from a neutral point of view, looking at the discussion carefully to see where the consensus seems to lie.


 * Regarding how I will avoid conflicts in the future, I will always follow WP:Civility and I will try to follow WP:Bite. I will be welcoming to new users who make constructive edits and I will help them out however I can.  When using admin tools, I will think about the best interest of Wikipedia and its community.  I will think before using the tools as each situation is likely to require a different action.  For example, I will try to review contributions and the user's talk page before blocking a user.  Some situations, such as mass vandalism, may require a quick response but I will always think about what I am doing.  If I am not sure about something I will gain more input.  I will always try to reach a consensus in any discussion.  I will always discuss potentially controversial matters including for the use of admin tools in controversial situations.  I will try to understand everyone's opinions and I will try to reach a compromise.  If I do make mistakes, I will ensure I learn from them.  I will also always keep up a good community spirit which I think is important for creating a good encyclopedia as a community.  I belive it is important to follow the spirit and not the letter.  Community consensus is an important part of Wikipedia.  In any conflicts I will respond in a calm and civil way.  If I do ever get stressed in the future, I will probably take a wikibreak as Wikipedia is something that should be enjoyed and not something to get stressed over.  I will also add myself to Category:Wikipedia administrators open to recall and I will voluntarily desysop myself, if the community does not see me as fit to serve as an admin.  I think it is important that the community get a say on whether an existing admin should keep their adminship.  If I do get a recall request, I will ask an uninvolved user to determine the consensus of the discussion which will follow the recall request.


 * Optional question from Keepscases:
 * 4. What are the origins of your username? Keepscases (talk) 16:25, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Thats a good question to which there isn't an exact answer. Tbo was a pseudonym I had always used for various online accounts.  I first used it many years ago for online gaming when I couldn't think of anything else.  Since then Ive just used it for all online purposes.  I suppose you could see it as just a random string of letters.  If you have any concerns about my username, then please inform me and I will be willing to change it.  Tbo 157   (talk)  16:41, 18 November 2007 (UTC)


 * 5. An administrator has blocked an editor and you disagree with the block. What is the policy about unblocking and do you intend to adhere to it?--MONGO (talk) 19:33, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * A: The policy can be found at Blocking policy. Unless a user blatantly should not have been blocked, the blocking admin should be contacted and an agreement should be reached before unblocking any blocked user.  If an agreement cannot be reached with the blocking admin, I would take the matter to WP:AN for discussion in order to reach a consensus.  Temporary circumstances blocks can be undone once the circumstances no longer applies but I would still contact the blocking admin to advise that I am unblocking.  I believe reaching a consensus is important to avoid unnecessary wheel wars and so I will adhere to the policy.  Tbo 157   (talk)  19:47, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Optional question from Malinaccier
 * 6. Upon becoming an admin, how much time would you spend on specifically admin-related activities compared to just editing the encyclopedia? Malinaccier (talk • contribs) 00:11, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
 * A  I will ensure I get a fair balance both admin related activites and editing during my wikitime.  I will also be willing to help anyone who contacts me directly either through my talk page or by email.  I am also planning to use my admin tools to help out with my WikiProjects as I said in Q1.  Overall I would probably do more article building and WikiProject work but I will spend some of my time, monitoring admin noticeboards, particularly backlogged areas within areas im familiar with.  As I mentioned in Q1, I will expand into more admin areas as I get more experienced with the tools but I will still spend at least half my wikitime editing articles and improving WikiProjects.   Tbo 157   (talk)  17:23, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

General comments

 * See Tbo 157's edit summary usage with mathbot's tool. For the edit count, see the talk page.


 * Links for Tbo 157:

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Discussion

 * Comment about the banners: First, that wasn't a dispute, it was called following instructions. At the time, I clearly stated that I wasn't making banners, yet the user imposed upon me to make a banner for him, after saying that he could not figure how to make a banner. I kind of knew that he would eventually instruct me to make a banner for him, because he kind of could not figure out the tools...hey we aren't all graphic tool savvy here. Looking back on the matter, I should have said no, after he wanted me to make a banner for him, because I was trying to take a well needed break from editing Wikipedia. But in my opinion, I had to remind this user to thank me for making the banner, because 1.) I really, really, really don't like making them, and 2.) I clearly stated that in my talk page rules that I was not making any more. Due to the obvious COI, I will abstain from voting. Miranda 16:51, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the comment. The reason I was delayed in thanking the user was because I didn't realise that you had made the banner until a bit later as I wasn't on Wikipedia for a while afterwards. I also didn't notice that the user wasn't making any ad banners.  However I did apologise and thank the user afterwards, see, ,  and I would like to take this opportunity to apologise once again.  Thanks.  Tbo 157   (talk)  17:24, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Support

 * 1) Yah.  Daniel  12:03, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Beat the nom - support. Rudget .talk 13:41, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) Support A very hardworking and civil user. -- S iva1979 Talk to me 13:46, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) Support as co-nominator. --John (talk) 14:55, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) Support looks good. Cheers, :) Dloh cierekim  15:07, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * 6) Support I haven't seen anything which concerns me. Go to admin, go directly to admin, no don't forget mop, do not collect £200.  Good luck! The Rambling Man (talk) 16:32, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * 7) Support - good luck.  jj137  (Talk ) 23:08, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * 8) per nom :) as conom. ++Lar: t/c 23:22, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * 9) Support. Jack ?! 01:03, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * 10) Support. No concerns regarding this candidate. I am particularly impressed by the honest and detailed responses to questions here and during coaching. Good Luck! ZZ Claims~ Evidence 18:22, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * 11) Support Looks qualified. NHRHS2010  talk  04:08, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
 * 12) Support I believe you're ready now. Icestorm815 (talk) 04:56, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
 * 13) Support I've ploughed through the admin coaching bit and am impressed. I'm also impressed by your answers to the questions above, and you candidness. Your nominators make powerful and persuasive arguments (and I trust their judgement) that are backed up by your contribution history. Some deleted edits too, for those who like to count the things, and article building. Best Wishes. Pedro : Chat  14:04, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
 * 14) Support and apologies for not noticing this before. The fact that you're one of the few people who's avoided snapping in the sustained ridiculous edit wars currently raging on and around WP:LT gives me confidence you won't snap at people. (Although I do think you're totally wrong in thinking we should follow brand-name use of lower case in article titles...) Your almost single-handed gradual nursing back to life of the semi-moribund Portal:London Transport is also A Good Sign. — iride scent  15:14, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
 * 15) Support for a number of the reasons above - looks ok to me -- Herby talk thyme 19:02, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
 * 16) Support I think... *<font color="#000088">Mind <font color="#220066">storms <font color="#550044">Kid*  23:06, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
 * 17) Support. Thanks for answering my question! Malinaccier (talk • contribs) 23:43, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
 * 18) Support - trustworthy candidate. Addhoc (talk) 17:41, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
 * 19) Of course. Acalamari 18:36, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
 * 20) I'm Mailer Diablo (talk) and I approve this message! - 19:16, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
 * 21) Support--MONGO (talk) 05:54, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
 * 22) Support Qualified. -- Shark face  217  06:27, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Oppose

 * 1) Oppose I do not see how he can possibly be considered qualified with such extremely minimal involvement in policy discussions,either at XfD or elsewhere. He admits above that he will only be able to gradually phase into adminship because he recognizes his  lack of experience. I commend his self-knowedge, and I hope to be able to support in the future.DGG (talk) 10:28, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Neutral

 * 1) Neutral. I don't see enough breadth of experience yet, but good luck anyhow. Stifle (talk) 22:00, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Neutral. Ditto - However this editor has provided a constructive comment to an edit I have made and coached me to provide feedback on an appropriate talk page. --Stewart (talk) 21:43, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
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