Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Antifinnugor

Case Opened on January 9, 2005

Case Closed on February 1, 2005

Please do not edit this page directly unless you wish to become a participant in this case; editing this page implicitly authorizes the other participants to enter a complaint against you which may be considered by the Arbitrators as may your behavior. Comments are very welcome on the Talk page, and will be read, in full. Evidence, no matter who can provide it, is very welcome at /Evidence. Evidence is more useful than comments.

Arbitrators will be working on a proposed decision at /Proposed decision.

The parties
A complaint by User:Dbachmann and others against User:Antifinnugor

Statement of complaint
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I see myself forced to ask for arbitration regarding User:Antifinnugor. The nature of the dispute, as well as evidence of resolution attempts, are all referenced in his rfc. The state of affairs is reflected in his latest edit. This request naturally includes a request for a judgement of my own behaviour, since my involvement in this case is motivated by the wish to defend WP policy, and if criticised by the committee, I would immediately step down, and of my own accord put my adminship on RFA to be reconfirmed. dab (&#5839;) 12:05, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * re mediation, there was no official mediation, but the rfc was not opened by me, and certified by ten people, and when afu started to single me out, there were various attempts at mediation, notably by User:Mark Dingemanse e.g. , which were ignored without exception. I think it would be a waste of time for everybody to add an additional loop to this. Also, in case the above is misleading, I do not ask for arbitration on afu's attacks against me in particular, but on his behaviour in general, about which he has been patiently approached by at least five editors (I only being one among them), without the slightest effect. dab (&#5839;) 14:02, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Comment summarizing Evidence writeup: Many editors have wasted many hours trying to explain to this user both the most basic principles of WP and of historical linguistics, without the slightest success. Afu by all appearance honestly believes to be a victim of a political conspiracy. Such drawn-out nonsense harms WP, driving away good editors. This rfar is an appeal to find more efficient ways to deal with such cases, and to seek approval (or criticism) from the arbcom on how the editors involved have dealt with the case. (see here for a take on this rfar (several-edits diff (three editors), scroll down)) &mdash; dab (&#5839;) 14:20, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Comment on attempts to help Antifinnugor navigate the RfAr process: Everybody involved is conscious of Antifinnugor's non-native English and limited familiarity with en.wikipedia processes, and nobody has tried to entrap or game him. Several editors, especially Nyenyec, have tried in good faith to help him argue his case more effectively in the RfC and RfAr process, please see Evidence page for details. Both Nyenyec and I wrote to afu yesterday/today, with detailed advice about how best to defend himself. Speaking for myself, I spent a lot of time trying to put this advice into palatable, accessible, and helpful form, but Afu quickly deleted the messages from his talk page without comment. His attitude seems to have grown more intransigent rather than less (he has previously, uniquely, always been civil to me), and I'm tired of trying to help him. He needn't have been this alone in navigating the mysteries of the RfAr process if he hadn't chosen to be.--Bishonen | Talk 14:51, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Statement by affected party
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Arbitrators' opinions on hearing this matter (5/0/2/0)

 * Reject - refer to mediation. Would accept if mediation was declined, however. I'm now convinced that mediation would not necessarily help. I therefore change my vote to accept. Ambi 12:30, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Accept; mediation seems unlikely to help here. -- Grunt 🇪🇺 14:51, 2005 Jan 6 (UTC)
 * Accept Fred Bauder 16:45, Jan 6, 2005 (UTC)
 * Abstain until evidence page is provided, see the example above. After this is done I'll support taking the case. Neutralitytalk 18:54, Jan 6, 2005 (UTC)
 * Accept, noting that Antifinnugor appears to not be a native Angloscribe &#10149;the Epopt 23:57, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Abstain - first I would like to ask Antifinnugor: would you be willing to enter into mediation on this issue as an alternative to arbitration? Please read What is mediation? for more information before replying -- sannse (talk) 00:05, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC) Having reviewed some more pages on this, I agree with Ambi and so change my vote to accept -- sannse (talk) 11:26, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Abstain until referred to mediation &mdash; I'd really like both sides to attempt negotiating this one. Cases with some similarity have been successfully mediated in the past. However, if mediation is refused by either side, accept - David Gerard 00:27, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Temporary injunction
1) Pending a final decision on this manner, Antifinnugor is prohibited from editing Finno-Ugric languages and Uralic languages or on these subjects.


 * Passed 6-0 at 18:44, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Final decision
All numbering based on /Proposed decision (vote counts are there as well)

Cite sources
1) Cite sources.


 * Passed 8-0.

No original research
2) No original research.


 * Passed 8-0.

No personal attacks
3) No personal attacks.


 * Passed 8-0.

Consensus
4.4) As put forward in Dispute resolution, Wikipedia works by building consensus. This is done through the use of polite discussion, in an attempt to develop a consensus regarding proper application of Policies and guidelines such as Neutral point of view. Surveys and the Request for comment process are designed to assist consensus-building when normal talk page communication has not worked.


 * Passed 9-0.

Initial non-citation of sources
1) Antifinnugor was not immediately forthcoming for sources for his edits to Finno-Ugric languages and Uralic languages despite being asked by editors at the articles in question to do so.


 * Passed 7-0.

Eventual citation of sources
2) After being repeatedly asked by the community to provide sources for his edits, Antifinnugor eventually complied.


 * Passed 7-0.

Eventual citation of sources
3) Antifinnugor's edits are not original research, as shown by the numerous sources cited on his personal critique page.


 * Passed 6-1.

Personal attacks
4) Antifinnugor has engaged in personal attacks during the course of events described above.


 * Passed 7-1.

Lack of cooperation and regard for consensus
5) Antifinnugor has failed to work cooperatively with other editors. He has made insufficient attempts to seek consensus on issues including the application of NPOV, and the inclusion and prominence of aspects of article content.  This lack of cooperation with other editors has caused significant disruption to the articles in question.


 * Passed 8-0.

Article editing ban
1.1) For significant disruption relating to the articles Finno-Ugric languages and Uralic languages, Antifinnugor is banned from editing these or related articles for one year. Antifinnugor may edit the related talk pages and is encouraged to work with other editors regarding article content. Other editors may add content and make changes suggested by Antifinnugor at their discretion.


 * Passed 7-0.

Personal attack parole
4.1) Antifinnugor is placed on standard personal attack parole for one year: if Antifinnugor makes an edit which is judged by an administrator to be a personal attack, he may be temporarily banned for up to a week by that administrator and the parole timer shall be reset.


 * Passed 6-2.

Good behaviour
5) If Antifinnugor can demonstrate better editing habits free of personal attacks three months from now, he may apply to have the above restrictions reduced or removed.


 * Passed 8-0.

Violation of article editing ban
1) If Antifinnugor, under whatever username, attempts to edit Finno-Ugric languages or Uralic languages, he may be banned for up to twenty-four hours.


 * Passed 6-2.