Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Everyking 3/Workshop

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Prior arbitrations
1) has been the subject of two prior arbitrations Requests for arbitration/Everyking and Requests for arbitration/Everyking 2. Those cases involved editing of Ashlee Simpson and related articles.


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Misinterpretation of policy
2) has consistently and repeatedly offered his own misguided interpretations of policy and Wikipedia custom, on the Administator's noticeboard in particular.


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 * Oh good, some duct tape for the gag. No you just need some evidence that these were, in fact, misguided. &#8212;Charles P. (Mirv) 23:49, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Interpretation of policy
3) regularly offers interpretations of policy and Wikipedia custom, frequently on the Administator's noticeboard and its subpages.


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3a) Everyking's interpretations and commentary on policy application by other administrators is sometimes incivil.


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 * This is worthwhile, I think. 12:49, 28 October 2005 (UTC)


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3b) The responses of other admins and editors to Everyking's criticisms are also sometimes incivil.


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 * ... and this. James F. (talk) 12:49, 28 October 2005 (UTC)


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4) Everyking's commentary often reveals he is totally ignorant of the situations he is commenting on.


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Baiting of Everyking by other editors
5) Several editors, including, , and have made unproductive and inflammatory commentary on Everyking's behavior.


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 * To be fair, this isn't entirely one-sided: this sort of behavior exacerbates the problem and is no better than the behavior it comments upon. Mindspillage (spill yours?) 20:32, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Absolutely. James F. (talk) 12:49, 28 October 2005 (UTC)


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Destructive effects of questioning good faith
6) Constantly calling good faith into question is usually unnecessary in dealing with the actions of established, well known editors, and has generally destructive effects on the community. In making such an accusation, the onus is on an editor to demonstrate a good knowledge of the facts and show that he has exhausted all other possibilities.


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 * Trying to focus on precisely what is is about Everyking's criticism that is wrong. --Tony Sidaway Talk

Proposed remedies
Note: All remedies that refer to a period of time, for example to a ban of X months or a revert parole of Y months, are to run concurrently unless otherwise stated.

Everyking's interpretation of policy
1) Everyking is prohibited from offering his interpretation of Wikipedia custom or policy


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 * I concur with Charles and Ten; I believe this is too broad. Mindspillage (spill yours?) 19:32, 26 October 2005 (UTC)


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 * There's no finding that his interpretations have been consistently wrong or misguided, but never mind. &#8212;Charles P. (Mirv) 16:08, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Good point. I've added an FOF to that effect. &rarr;Raul654 16:56, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Usually the problem is not the interpretation in and of itself, but rather the manner and style. If Everyking's criticism were to remain civil, I don't think we'd have a problem. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 17:46, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Everyking banned from the administrator's noticeboard
2) Everyking is prohibited from posting to the administrator's noticeboard


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Everyking prohibited from comment on administrators' actions
3) Everyking is prohibited from making comments on actions taken by other administrators


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 * I believe this also is too broad. It is not that he questions administrative actions that is problematic; it is that his comments are frequently uncivil or inflammatory and directed as much at the person as the action. Mindspillage (spill yours?) 19:39, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
 * As a further thought, it may be useful to require Everyking to have made a good-faith effort to have cleared up any misunderstanding on the talk page of the involved administrator before posting his grievances to a public forum. Mindspillage (spill yours?) 19:56, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
 * No, totally wrong. He complains about virtually every administrator action listed on the Administrator's noticeboard, and in virtually every case it is obvious from his comments that has no clue what he is talking about. Civil or not, that has to stop. &rarr;Raul654 20:43, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Frequently this is the case. Not always. Hence the thought that a requirement to keep it onto talk pages might be helpful. I'm most uneasy with this broad a restriction, though. Mindspillage (spill yours?) 21:09, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Somehow I don't think giving him a blank check to game the system is going to be an improvement. &rarr;Raul654 21:19, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm not absolutely over-the-moon with this, either. James F. (talk) 12:49, 28 October 2005 (UTC)


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 * Because heaven forfend that any administrator should feel obliged to defend his or her actions. Dissent must not be tolerated. &#8212;Charles P. (Mirv) 16:10, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Everyking to maintain good faith while commenting on the actions of other editors
4) Everyking is to refrain from demanding the removal of administrators, and criticising their behavior in a manner that calls their good faith into question.


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 * How do we enforce this? Kelly Martin (talk) 05:24, 31 October 2005 (UTC)


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 * This goes with a new finding of fact. --Tony Sidaway Talk 05:19, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Enforcement? Mentorship, most likely. Somebody needs to have the power to ban him from certain forums, in response to legitimate complaints from other editors. There are plenty of admins with the maturity and disinterest necessary to enforce civility and good faith. --Tony Sidaway Talk 05:31, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Snowspinner prohibited from enforcing this decision
1) The remedies in this decision are not to be enforced by Snowspinner.


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 * In reply to Ten, yes, absolutely right, it's no bad thing. Charles: I agree that it is unfortunate that (I feel that) we need to do this; please remember that this case is still somewhat embryonic, so not all parts may seem to flow and gel just yet. James F. (talk) 12:49, 28 October 2005 (UTC)


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 * That this remedy is even thought necessary says volumes. It's a truism that sysops aren't supposed to use their sysop powers for any dispute in which they're involved. &#8212;Charles P. (Mirv) 16:14, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
 * It depends a lot on what the provisions for enforcement are, and exactly how broad the restrictions–if any–placed on Everyking are. If EK is in a dispute with some third party X and crosses the line of a general restriction imposed by this decision, is Snowspinner 'involved' or not?  I don't think explicitly drawing a line is such a bad thing.  At worst, this provision is redundant; at best, it saves us a lot of conflict later. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 17:34, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

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Snowspinner's complaint
Everyking's actions on Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents (AN/I) amount to one thing and one thing only - attacking admins he doesn't personally like. The only thing that can be said for his conduct is that it has improved to the point where he at least seems to read into disputes before commenting. Regardless, his comments show a disregard for consensus, policy, and civility in favor of his own views.


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Personal attacks
Adding to this are a tendency towards personal attacks as in, , , and.


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 * While the cited edits may not meet the threshold of personal attacks, they are sharply critical, some facetious. They seem to be directed at Snowspinner and David Gerard who Everyking terms "hardliners". These edits:, and are particularly inappropriate as they are addressed to a puzzled third party.  This edit , insisting on discussion when the Arbitration Committee ruling leaves the block up to the discretion of a single administrator, challenges enforcement of the ruling. Fred Bauder 17:00, August 3, 2005 (UTC)


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Attempt to resolve dispute
Immediately prior to bringing this RFAr, I asked him to cool it, reminding him of our past discussions. . He flatly refused. .


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 * Everyking seems to think Snowspinner is too aggressive about blocking people. Fred Bauder 17:17, August 3, 2005 (UTC)


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Requests for better behavior by other users
The following users have, in the past two weeks, asked EK to look into what he's talking about more, provide evidence, use a form of dispute resolution, or otherwise lay off:

Bishonen, Radiant , Ta bu shi da yu , TenofAllTrades , Jwrosenzweig , Carnildo , Jayjg , JRM , Mel Etitis , me (Snowspinner) , Calton , UninvitedCompany , David Gerard , Raul654 , and Kbdank71.


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 * Radiant's query is in response to this facetious remark by Everyking. TenOfAllTrades makes a good point here, "This perpetual sniping is utterly poisonous, and I imagine that it disgusts most of the other editors here."
 * Indeed. Certainly, it disgusts me. James F. (talk) 12:49, 28 October 2005 (UTC)


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Requests ignored by Everyking
More or less without exception, Everyking's responses to these complaints, questions, or comments is to ignore them, or to make further accusations.


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I also find it telling that Everyking's immediate response to this case, rather than being to defend or explain his actions, has been to make accusations against the first arbitrator to accept it.


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I would also like to note, I certainly hope this doesn't end in Everyking's banning. I wasn't going to ask for it, at least. I intended to ask for a personal attack parole and a ban from the administrator's noticeboard pages except to use them to notify people of his own actions. Snowspinner 14:52, July 28, 2005 (UTC)


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General discussion

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