Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Freedom skies/Evidence/Additional responses

Response to Personal statement
It's misrepresentation.

JFD has meshed together my resopnse made on 08:37, 24 March 2007 with Sebastian's response on 07:02, 21 March 2007.

Response to Freedom skies' incivility and personal attacks
[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Foreign_influence_on_Chinese_martial_arts#Request_for_Comment:_NPOV_tag_for_current_article Kindly read the page. Selective representation has been done without displaying the contents in full. Upon further reading you'll see the viewpoints of both the parties and the informal mediator in full.]

Response to Bodhidharma
If you'd take a look on the discussion starting from here then the role of the unsigned IP, JFD, and myself will become very clear. Selective representation does take it out of context.

This is misrepresented as well. JFD and Kennethtennyson started this discussion with Michael. This saw Michael appear in Foreign influence on Chinese martial arts and Zen.

My conversation with him:-


 * Your interactions with me have been few. Yet you assume hostility based on the opinion of others. Kindly assume good faith, Michael.


 * Thank You. My actions have their justifications, as drastic as they may seem to you. Kindly judge me on your own personal basis and not on the arguments of others I have to singularly deal with.


 * In addition if you have any suggestions regarding the final version on Bodhidharma please forward them to me. I will do the same shortly. Regards.

If MichaelMaggs were to appear this very instant and say that he feels that irreparable damage has been done due to my conduct then I agree to replace the Wikibreak tag on my userpage with a retirement tag.

Kindly also read this and this in full.

Djma12
[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Djma12#Reply Concerning Freedom skies, though I do find him to be an impassioned and strong-willed editor, I also find that he is quite amenable to cooperative edits towards this article. Yes, he has had his run-ins in the past. However, I feel that he is learning to keep his passionate nature a little more controlled for editting, and I do believe that people should be given a chance for redemption.]

Civilization
The situation:


 * ## (cur) (last) 15:00, 15 November 2006 Freedom skies (Talk | contribs) (Korea is an early civilization,the later periods like the mummun pottery period qualify it. If there is a dispute over the date then attach a date and place accordingly.DO NOT remove it completely)


 * 1) Verify if the Mumun pottery period is "legend."


 * 129.69.21.78 (Talk) at 11:16, 15 November 2006


 * (cur) (last) 00:53, 13 November 2006 AntiVandalBot (Talk | contribs) m (BOT - rv 70.36.119.31 (talk) to last version by Freedom skies)


 * (cur) (last) 00:52, 13 November 2006 70.36.119.31 (Talk)


 * 19:22, 12 November 2006 Freedom skies (Talk | contribs) (rving vandalism - someone removed Korea. Don't people watch an article as important as this ?? ?? ??)

Removal of Korea was never justified.

It would also be pertinent to mention that I, an accused nationalist, put ancient rome in the Civilization article.

Response to Zen

 * 16:50, 13 January 2007 Freedom skies

I actually reinstated JFD's version as of 16:45, 13 January 2007 and thought that I would deal with the question of Taoist foundation later.


 * 16:48, 13 January 2007 Freedom skies
 * 16:45, 13 January 2007 JFD
 * 16:33, 13 January 2007 Freedom skies
 * 00:12, 13 January 2007 JFD

I actually reinstated JFD's version as of 16:45, 13 January 2007 and thought that I would deal with the question of Taoist foundations later.

I recieved the following objection from MichaelMaggs on 19 January. He objected to JFD's reinstated version of 16:45, 13 January 2007.

I was engaged into Zen following the objection by Michael. Kindly read from this section to the end of the page.

I would like to see further information about this edit, by User:Freedom skies which adds to the first sentence that Zen is a form of Buddhism practiced in China and Japan and is a fusion of Mahayana Buddhism and Taoism.[1][2]. Firstly, Zen has long been practised outside those countries, as well as inside; secondly, you would be hard-put to find general support for the 'fusion' claim. Mainstream Zen schools consider themselves firmly within the tradition of Mahayana Buddhism. I don't have copies of the two cited books to hand, and in order that we can come to a consensus as to how best to deal with exactly what they say I'd appreciate it if Freedom Skies could post here a brief extract from each (at least the respective full paragraphs) which supports the changes made in the diff. --MichaelMaggs 17:44, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

My reply was that :

It's not a fusion of Taoism and Buddhism at all. I did not put that line in but I reverted to it and thought I'd allow it to stay till I could verify it for myself. I'll revert it back as it's unsubstantiated and incorrect. Freedom skies| talk 18:30, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

You should read that section about the Taoist foundations. I've given it here on this very page.

Bodhidharma
JFD concludes quoting editors in a situation which I described here. I'll conclude by quoting a few WP:RS compatiable sources.

Subsequent Taoist Influence
This paragraph has been incorporated in Zen by me.

Song of Enlightenment

 * Mahakashyapa was the first, leading the line of transmission;
 * Twenty-eight Fathers followed him in the West;
 * The Lamp was then brought over the sea to this country;
 * And Bodhidharma became the First Father here:
 * His mantle, as we all know, passed over six Fathers,
 * And by them many minds came to see the Light.

Suzuki, Daisetz Teitaro (1948). ''Manual Of Zen Buddhism

Response to Closing stements
The so-called dissatisfying relationships are imagined. Almost all of them are content disputes mentioned here and here.

In this section, JFD has misrepresented the citations. One citation is recorded at 08:37, 24 March 2007 while the other is recorded at 07:02, 21 March 2007. This is the staple of JFD's arguments; meshing citations from different articles and time periods and citing edits against sockpuppets as disruptive editing.

JFD also said that Working under neutral third parties has done nothing to curb Freedom skies' disruptive behavior. I encourage the arbitrators to take a look here to see if that is correct. As for the Decline of Buddhism in India medcab case; I suggest that you take a look and see the complete case for yourselves.

As for JFD's request here; I'll help you by providing a sample myself.

Response to Edit wars
Unlike JFD, I did not have the luxury of a dedicated meatpuppet.

Conclusion
I've worked on martial arts related articles since I was a newbie. These include Professional wrestling in Japan, Mitsuyo Maeda, Wong Kiew Kit, Submission wrestling, Amateur wrestling, Clinch-fighting, Grappling hold, Mixed martial arts, Greco-Roman wrestling, Judo, Freestyle wrestling, Sambo(martial art), Folk wrestling, Ad Santel, Kiyoshi Tamura, Shoot wrestling, Nobuhiko Takada, Catch wrestling, Foreign influence on Chinese martial arts, Yoga, Jasmine Simhalan, Silambam, The Great Gama, Karl Istaz, Billy Riley, Billy Robinson, Vajra Mushti, Antonio Inoki, Indian martial arts, Template:Chinese martial arts etc.

I created martial arts articles such as Billy Riley, Jyesthimalla, Paul Whitrod, Phillip Zarrilli, John Will, Gulam etc.

Allow me to stay in martial arts and Buddhism. I'm attached to these topics. I'll learn to be more careful with my manner of speaking.

JFD will have Bodhidharma reverted from the excellent present state to this biased state.

Put us both under scanner. Ask Djma12 if I did not unilaterally subject myself to his review.

I even went as far as to say that I won't be adding anything major to the article for a long time (or perhaps not at all); If I do then I'll run it through you and will provide actual quotations etc. and possibly links.

Both the parties hold Djma12 in high regards. This user has awarded barnstars to both the parties (JFD and myself) for their involvement. The verdict should see us subjecting our edits to him and have him check them out before we add any new material in on a list of topics if he agrees.

Regards,

Note
I have to be away for two more days. I should be able to come back and contribute after then. I would request the arbitrators to kindly read the above mentioned quotes. I will bring more quotes later. Regards.

A request
I see that the malice is already begining to seep in. With Kenntehtennyson sending this message to Dbachmann (who wrote this), and making edits such as this (with an abusive edit summary "doesn't make sense") and JFD taking everything out of context, aligining me with sockpuppets, attempting to have Bodhidharma reverted from the excellent present state to this biased state, and proposing this as a remedy.

I would like to state that I am awaiting the final outcome of this arbitration process and would not submit any evidence in my defence from this point on, or continue with the defences that I have been trying to put in through my break. Kindly examine the evidence and reach a conclusion taking into account the intentions of all involved.

Regards,