Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Freedom skies/Evidence/Response to CiteCop

Response to the allegations by CiteCop
CiteCop has made several allegations during the course of this arbitration process. Most of these allegations, as can be concluded from the following evidence, are demonstrably incorrect.

Indian Mathematics

 * The allegation that CiteCop has made regarding "Modern Review" not being associated with the University of Michigan is incorrect.

[http://books.google.com/books?vid=0OdzSnMql1R2Mg1thV&id=SgAFAAAAMAAJ&q=he+Modern+Review+edited+by+Ramananda+Chatterjee&dq=he+Modern+Review+edited+by+Ramananda+Chatterjee&pgis=1 The Modern Review By Ramananda Chatterjee By Ramananda Chatterjee. Published 1907. The Modern Review Office. Original from the University of Michigan. Digitized Aug 14, 2006I.].

Foreign influence on Chinese martial arts
The documentary can be read in detail on "The Way of the Warrior: The Paradox of the Martial Arts by Howard Reid." The BBC documentary maker has written a book which actually expands on the documentary.

[http://www.amazon.com/Way-Warrior-Paradox-Martial-Arts/dp/0879516062 From Library Journal: This title is an expanded companion volume to a 1983 BBC series on Asian fighting systems. Each chapter includes the history, philosophies, techniques, and masters of such disciplines as Kalaripayit of India, Shaolin, and T'ai-chi ch'uan of China, sword fighting in Japan, Korean Karate, Thai kick-boxing, eskrido (stick fighting) in the Philippines, and more. While the punches and kicks are generously shown in photos and illustrations, more emphasis is placed on the traditions and spiritual growth of each style. This isn't a self-defense book or one with tips on improving katas (forms), but a serious student will find it fascinating. Recommended for larger collections.]

Since I claim to represent a mainstrem point of view and have knowledge on the subject I'll remove the text as it has been disputed by CiteCop and put in material from the following source:-

[http://www.seinenkai.com/articles/108.html Hyaku Hachi No Bonno: The Influence of The 108 Defilements and Other Buddhist Concepts on Karate Thought and Practice By Charles C. Goodin. The article has appeared in Issue #7, Winter 1996-97 of Furyu: The Budo Journal.]

The statement that CiteCop makes about DT Suzuki's book is also incorrect.

The citation reads:-

[http://www.plumflower.com/philosophy_and_martial_art.htm Written by the famous Zen scholar and teacher Daisetz Teitaro Suzuki, The Zen Doctrine of No Mind is a commentary upon and study of the Zen teachings of one of the two most significant figures in the early history of Zen in China, Hui-neng. The importance of Hui-neng is second only to the founder of Zen, Bodhi-Dharma, who came from India to spread Buddhist teachings in China.]

The text can also be replaced by <>"Bodhidharma as the founder of Zen Buddhism naturally occupies the chief seat of honor beside the Buddha Sakyamuni". Manual of Zen Buddhism: (new edition) by Daisetz Teitaro Suzuki. page 182. By Daisetz Teitaro Suzuki. Published 2000. Grove Press. 192 pages. ISBN 0802130658<>

Note that both the citations come from the very noted scholar Daisetz Teitaro Suzuki JFD has attempted to pass Bodhidharma, the first patriarch of Zen, as a fictional charecter.

Of course, JFD would like to have this text removed. No matter how well sourced it may be if it's an influence on China then it may not be included at all.

Vedic Sanskrit
The statement "Freedom skies sought to replace a work of recent scholarship with one that was over a century old and gave a more ancient date for Vedic Sanskrit" is incorrect.

I asked him If we could talk. Since we have strong convictions. My responses were met with cold silence and a revert.

If you do want to talk this out you may want to actually converse. A thing I had proposed from the very first edit. Ask for more citations in addition to Muller ?? or maybe a compromise ??

I was blocked by Rama's Arrow. CRculver was warned

[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vedic_Sanskrit&oldid=89533138 '''Additional sources which I wanted to put in the first place. Standardising.''']

This version includes additional citations like "The earliest and most basic of Hindu scriptures is the Rgveda, usually dated to about 1500 BC" By Irene U. Chambers, Michael S. Roth. Contributor Library of Congress. Published 2002. Third Millennium Information Ltd. ISBN 190394211X

Indian nationalism
I do remember being confronted with malicious people who said things like the following I thought it best to clean up and not engage in further "discussions" :-

"So what you're saying is that the sources cited are a load of Kak? *Badum-CHING* Thank you, thank you. I'll be here all week! Try the veal lobster, it's fantastic! JFD 06:44, 4 September 2006 (UTC) "

Note that I've been in contact with Subhash Kak via e mail, and it's common knowledge.

CiteCop has had very limited contact with me, but has nonetheless chosen to take it upon himself to rid this encyclopedia of my presence. CiteCop has been canvassing with unrelated editors on Wikipedia for this purpose.