Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Konstable/Evidence

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AltUser not disruptive
was created due to my curiosity of how new users are treated (long story and I don't see how the explanation is relavent so I will omit it - but this is very clearly permitted under WP:SOCK, in fact it is the very first example of legitimate sockpuppets that is stated). I was not intending to leave wikipedia at that time as others have claimed. I temporarily gave up adminship at that time without actually removing the tools (if you don't believe me you can ask to verify that I emailed him at the time of that edit and told him that I am just temporarily taking off my admin hat and not leaving the project).

With AltUser I started off by closing 3 obvious AfDs as delete and marked them with a db explaining that the AfDs were closed (they were soon deleted). Closing obvious AfDs as delete not prohibited to non-admins, though there is a process description page that says that this "generally should not be done" - this is not a community approved guideline, nor policy, nor is it even proposed as a guideline or policy, the page looks like nothing more but an overview of the process. There are other users who admit to doing this.

As AltUser I removed unreferenced original research (which was already marked as unreferenced) from the Power Rangers article. I (unintentionally) left out an edit summary, but this was an honest mistake and I doubt that leaving out edit summaries is disruption (espcially since I later clarfied this and Ryulong agreed with some of its removal). I then checked the history and gave a standard 3RR warning for the following reverts:, ,  with another editor, not me. I was not in conflict with Ryulong before this and the 3RR was issued with genuine intentions for the said reverts.

Ryulong then reported me to AIV where I argued with Ryulong that I was not a vandal. The admin who reviewed this was, who did not block me for it, but gave me a stern warning (on User talk:AltUser in deleted edits) about closing non-obvious AfDs (though I was closing obvious ones). By this stage all my edits were reverted and I was genuinely upset (and I was not expecting anything like this from the "experiment"). I tried to resolve the situation by posting to AN to which I had an intention of giving a link to, and , but this was reverted by JoshuaZ who then blocked me (for... trying to complain...)  My AN post was not uncivil (though it was a bad choice to use capitals for the heading) and it was factually correct (Ryulong had by that time made 5 non-vandalism reverts within 24 hours to Power Rangers without attempts to communicate with the editors whom he was reverting).

I made a polite and calmly worded unblock request (deleted), this prompted to delete without explanation my user page and my user talk page.

AfD closure as delete by non-admins not prohibited
WP:DELPRO mentions that Non-administrators generally should not close "delete" decisions even if they are unanimous - however it proceeds to say that this is because of the technological limit that it "generally should not" be done. Not only does this not prohibit closing as delete, but the page is neither a policy, nor a guideline, nor is it even proposed as one! It is merely a description of the process which says that non-admins generally do not close discussions as delete due to lack of technical capability. And judging from the lack of discussion on non-admin deletes on the talk page, the issue has not even been discussed by the community. Furthermore this is being done - I have witnessed such closures before and here is someone else admiting that he has been doing this on a regular basis in the past, without me actually having to ask or to dig back and try to provide some diffs of these! Frankly I was going on my past experience and was not aware of this page, but I find the reasons why this "generally should not" be done quite inaplicable as I have easily worked around this "lack of technical ability" and have managed to get all 3 of the pages that I closed deleted without any (technical) problems!

AlternativeAccountK not disruptive
AlternativeAccountK was created after I had undeleted the pages of and tagged the account as my own sock and after the lengthy explanation on my user page. I was talking to with my proper  account at the time, and it appeared that he had some mis-conceptions about what has happened. So, with no intention for anonymity but rather an intention to keep the issue down by keeping it low profile (see WP:SOCK), I first created, which was immediately blocked by Glen S who did not know it was me, futher attempts to create a similar-named account failed due to some new automatic registration thing that prohibits it. I could not be bothered explaining the whole long story to Glen, so 8 minutes later I created which I used to talk to some of the people involved, Ryulong and Patstuart both knew clearly that I was Konstable (I can't be bothered looking for diffs, but ask them if you don't believe me), I was assuming JoshuaZ knew as well, though I am not so certain now due to the rudeness in his responses to me, but at least he knew that I was.

I was (mistakingly) blocked by while in the middle of a conversation with Ryulong, who did not find it disruptive. As I was called a "banned user" it was clear that Wangi made a mistake, I had no intention sticking around Wikipedia for much longer and wait for him to unblock me (or at least lift the damn autoblock which meant that I couldn't even edit from my main account) so I just unblocked me, and left Ryulong one more message. Which apparently was not ok with Wangi who again blocked me with another clearly mistaken block with a message "sock account" - legitimate socks are allowed, I informed him of that in the second unblock.

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