Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Mudaliar-Venki123

Case Opened on 16:10, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Case Closed on 15:21, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

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Articles involved:

Statement by Venki123
Discussion, edit warring, Protection, sock puppetry, 3RR, User:Block have been going on for over 5 months now at the articles mentioned above Mudaliar, Kaikolar, Sengunthar, Devadasi. RFC and Mediation were tried. However User:Mudaliar refused to take part in spite of advice from admin User:Dina.

Articles Kaikolar, Sengunthar Kaikolan, Sengundhar are the same and when they are being merged, User:Mudaliar prevents the merges partially and slanders the group Kaikolar/Sengunthar in these articles. In article Devadasi, the group Kaikolar are being slandered as the source of all Devadasis or temple prostitutes in India.

User:The_Behnam has been an observer for a short time.

Proof of protection by User:Dina -

Proof of edit warring -

Proof of 3RR-

Proof of SockPuppets usage-

Proof of UserBlock-

Proof of Checkuser -

Many steps have been taken to resolve the dispute about article Mudaliar, Kaikolar, Sengunthar, Devadasi with User:Mudaliar. User:Mudaliar and his cronies praise Thondai-Mandala-Saiva-Vellala without any proofs. User:Mudaliar and his cronies delete proofs about Thondai-Mandala-Vellala alias Kondai-Katti-Vellala and using those proofs as proof of the group Thondai-Mandala-Saiva-Vellala. User:Mudaliar and his cronies have been slandering the group Sengunthar in the article Mudaliar and articles Kaikolar Devadasi and Sengunthar. The 4 articles Kaikolar, Sengunthar Kaikolan, Sengundhar are the same and need to be merged.

Finally I was the one who initiated the discussion, RFC, Mediation and finally arbitration. None of these methods were acceptable to User:Mudaliar or his cronies. So I have been following due diligence in dealing with User:Mudaliar and User:WeldingVeerasamy.

I did not add User:WeldingVeerasamy as a party to this arbitration as I think he is sock puppet of User:Mudaliar used by User:Mudaliar from his work IP address while he uses the login User:Mudaliar from his home IP address.

We need to add the user at IP address 203.101.45.171 in the arbitration as he is also one of the prolific editors of these articles.

Statement by The Behnam
As I'm not expert in the subject, I've tried to follow as best I can and mediate between views, but it became too much me. I eventually asked for help (for Devadasi) on the Hindu and Indian noticeboards, and User:Bakasuprman seemed he would take up the articles, but it hasn't happened yet. Anyway, Venki123 and Mudaliar have been battling across a number of pages with no sign of resolution, and there appears to have been some issues of conduct coming up repeatedly. I'll give Venki123 credit for actually trying the Dispute Resolution process. At this point, I believe that Arbitration is the only place left for this dispute to go.

Statement by Mudaliar

 * Regarding article Mudaliar:I have backed up my statements with valid research papers and academic references recognized in India and at the International level. Note that the research has been done by authors from the US, UK, India etc. simply vandalises my edits and also intimidates other editors by using with filthy and profane language


 * Regarding article Sengunthar: Again I have provided about 15 academic references and research articles.


 * Regarding article Devadasi: Once again I have provided ample valid academic references to prove that some Kaikolars were indeed dedicated as Devadasis and the relation between the two communities. Even has agreed that these are valid proofs. But  simply deletes the highly referenced sections or manipulates the names of the communities according to his own discretion.

Moreover, is using socket puppets to push his point. He also has been abusing me and other users repeatedly. Please see below for yourself:


 * Abusing using profane language:, , , , , , , , , ,

See how he has deleted the entire talk page and replaced with his post. He is well aware that he should not delete other editors' posts in the talk page. He has just blanked out the talk page and replaced with a few sentences of his own.
 * More vandalism by : Why has he deleted heavily referenced sections ?


 * Vandalism through socket puppetry: Check ip:70.49.175.94. Luckily  caught it and reverted his edits.


 * has been blocked multiple times for constantly edit warring without any proofs:

There are plenty more articles like the ones above where he uses extremely filthy language and threatens me. is unable accept my references even though they are completely valid and were written by world reknown historians like Edgar Thurston, etc. who was a British Officer in Colonial India and was also the curator of the Indian Museum of History at Madras, India for a long time after Indian Independence.

has been abusing me and other editors repeatedly and aims to divert this as a dispute when in fact the only thing he has been doing is vandalise articles and delete heavily referenced sections. Now, he is trying to get these articles protected and destroy the work of other editors who have taken time to add sources as these edits are not favorable to him.

is not my socket puppet!! I am not the only one from my clan/ caste reading the wikipedia. is paranoid.

Statement by WeldingVeerasamy
The below is my opinion (Weldingveerasamy 21:35, 7 April 2007 (UTC)wedldingveerasamy -

Venky is vandalising and does not believe in academic research or proper debate. I have given evidence on the use of Mudali Surname by Vellalars from Thondaimandalam Region with the only officially published Jaffna History Book. That is from an academic source only (that too a 14-15th century work of a Royal Scholar). He deleted that and inserted some rubbish that NO HISTORIAN OR RESEARCH WORK HAS HEARD OF. Please see history of his edits/vandal.

Another very important thing is a proper academic debate may not be possible with Venky. THis is because he has a tendency to get abusive at even scholars who publish works and individiuals and communities for no reason. Another sad part of his behaviour is he believes almost all Royal Families from the Persians to Pallavas to the South of Sri Lanka belong to Kaikolar Family. This would mean a drastic overhaul of all history books in South Asia and re-evaluating all the existing academic research. Its simply not possible.

I have absolutely no doubt user:mudaliar has used only referenced texts and his contents will stand scrutiny. At the same time going through the history of Venky it is obvious no serious academic debate can take place with him. I am willing to from my part furnish evidence of what I have stated that will stand academic scrutiny.

Thanks. Weldingveerasamy 21:35, 7 April 2007 (UTC)weldingveerasamy

Arbitrators' opinion on hearing this matter (4/0/0/0)

 * Accept. Kirill Lokshin 04:21, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Accept. FloNight 11:41, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Accept. Paul August &#9742; 16:44, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Accept. Charles Matthews 16:31, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Temporary injunction (none)
=Final decision = All numbering based on /Proposed decision (vote counts and comments are there as well)

Wikipedia is not a battleground
1) Wikipedia is a reference work. Use of the site for ideological struggle accompanied by harassment of opponents is extremely disruptive.

''Passed 6 to 0, 15:20, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Courtesy
2) Wikipedia users are expected to behave reasonably and calmly in their dealings with other users. Insulting and intimidating other users harms the community by creating a hostile environment. Personal attacks are not acceptable.

''Passed 6 to 0, 15:20, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Disruptive editing
3) Users who engage in disruptive editing may be banned from the site.

''Passed 6 to 0, 15:20, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Locus of dispute
1) The parties have been involved in numerous, long-term disputes revolving around the content of a number of articles related to caste and religion in South India, including Devadasi, Sengunthar, Mudaliar, Kaikolar, Kaikolan, Saiva Vellalar and Mudaliar Title. Almost all of their mainspace edits have been to these seven articles (Mudaliar 93.1%, Venki123 99.2%) . All seven were the subject of heavy edit-warring, particularly on February 15, where 3RR was broken on multiple articles, often with more than ten reverts per page each. They were subsequently both blocked.

''Passed 6 to 0, 15:20, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Mudaliar
2) has engaged in a variety of disruptive behavior, including edit-warring, personal attacks , and attempts to turn Wikipedia into a battleground along ethnic lines.

''Passed 6 to 0, 15:20, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Venki123
3) has engaged in a variety of disruptive behavior, including edit-warring (,, , , , ,, ), personal attacks , and attempts to turn Wikipedia into a battleground along ethnic lines.

''Passed 6 to 0, 15:20, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Remedies
Note: All remedies that refer to a period of time, for example to a ban of X months or a revert parole of Y months, are to run concurrently unless otherwise stated.

Mudaliar banned
1) is banned from Wikipedia for a period of one year.

''Passed 6 to 0, 15:20, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Venki123 banned
2) is banned from Wikipedia for a period of one year.

''Passed 6 to 0, 15:20, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Log of blocks and bans
Log any block, ban or extension under any remedy in this decision here. Minimum information includes name of administrator, date and time, what was done and the basis for doing it.


 * May 2, 2007, Newyorkbrad blocked Mudaliar and Venki123 for one year each to implement this decision.
 * Feb 28, 2008, Jehochman reset the Mudaliar ban due to abusive sock puppetry. See Suspected sock puppets/Youonlylivetwice for evidence.
 * April 7, 2008, Jehochman reset the Mudaliar ban due to abusive sock puppetry. See Suspected sock puppets/Youonlylivetwice (2nd) for evidence.