Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/OldRight/Workshop

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Joe Scarborough

 * 20:36, Jun 7, 2005: Old Right removes the same paragraph. He marks the edit as minor and does not give an edit summary.


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 * The paragraph removed is a report of something which did not happen. I see no problem with removing slanderous material, however safe it may be legaly to republish it. See extended discussion at Talk:Joe Scarborough. Fred Bauder 01:22, July 19, 2005 (UTC)
 * However marking such an edit as minor and not adding an edit summary is misleading. Theresa Knott (a tenth stroke) 18:21, 19 July 2005 (UTC)


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 * 18:58, Jun 1, 2005: Old Right removes the same paragraph. He gives the edit summary "case if irrelevent (sic) & including it is POV propaganda!."


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 * Removal of slanderous material is appropriate as is comment. See extended discussion at Talk:Joe Scarborough. Fred Bauder 01:22, July 19, 2005 (UTC)


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 * 22:48, May 25, 2005: Old Right repeats his edit below (which was removed soon after he first edited it) and also removes an entire paragraph with the edit summary "removed irrelevent info."
 * 01:25, May 18, 2005: Old Right adds "a political moderate" to Joe Scarborough, which is nonsensical.


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 * Again removal of slanderous material which consists of media reports that the subject was not involved with is appropriate, as is the comment that he removed irrelevant material. See extended discussion at Talk:Joe Scarborough. The characterization of Scarborough as "moderate is unsourced, but not obviously "nonsensical." Fred Bauder 01:22, July 19, 2005 (UTC)


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The Passion of the Christ

 * 21:29, Jun 5, 2005: Old Right edits The Passion of the Christ, removing from the "Controversy and Anti-Semitism" section "the film has also been criticized by several fundamentalist Protestant groups for its Catholic and Ecumenist overtones" and leaving the edit summary "rv nonsense propaganda." Later the text is restored.


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 * Edit involves removal of sourced information along with its source which was properly reverted. Fred Bauder 01:46, July 19, 2005 (UTC)
 * Note however that Old Right didn't edit war over this. He accepted the reverting of his deletion of material. I think this is an example of an editor being bold Theresa Knott (a tenth stroke) 18:32, 19 July 2005 (UTC)


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Rock Against Bush

 * 11:40, Jun 11, 2005: Old Right reverts. He is soon reverted.


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 * The material Old Right restored seems unobjectionable . Radicalsubversiv's comment seems discourteous . Fred Bauder 02:09, July 19, 2005 (UTC)
 * Agree that the material isn't objectional in terms of POV. That doesn't mean it should necessarily be in the article though. RS was talking about the material, not an editor. Doesn't seem particulaly discoutreus to me. Theresa Knott (a tenth stroke) 18:40, 19 July 2005 (UTC)


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 * 07:57, Jun 6, 2005: More than two days later, Old Right returns to the article to pursue trivial disputes, changing "the election" to "re-election." He is later reverted.


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 * Why would anyone bother to revert this trivial, but accurate edit? Fred Bauder 02:09, July 19, 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't know but note that Old Right reverts them with the edit summary revert vandalism so daft behaviour on both sides. Theresa Knott (a tenth stroke) 18:47, 19 July 2005 (UTC)


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 * 10:04, Jun 4, 2005: Radicalsubversiv, leaving the edit summary "Rhobite's correct, this is completely silly," restores Rhobite's version.


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 * Again this removal of information seems to be without any basis with Radicalsubversiv repeating his discourtesy. Fred Bauder 02:09, July 19, 2005 (UTC)


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 * 16:26, Jun 4, 2005: Old Right, leaving the edit summary "Yes it is needed; to show the level of RAB's failure!" reverts Rhobite's simple, neutral version and restores his own.


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 * Yes, in accord with Wikipedia's NPOV policy there is expression of an alternative viewpoint. Fred Bauder 02:09, July 19, 2005 (UTC)


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 * 14:28, Jun 4, 2005: Rhobite, leaving the edit summary "no need for this," edits the paragraph to "The project was not successful, as President George W. Bush went on to win the election."


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 * The link is to a different edit, but again Old Right's information is appropriate under Wikipedia's NPOV policy which provides for inclusion of significant alternative viewpoints. Again there is discourtesy, this time by Rhobite, if the quote is accurate. Fred Bauder 02:09, July 19, 2005 (UTC)


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 * 20:58, Jun 3, 2005: Old Right edits Rock Against Bush, changing "the project was not successful, though the President George W. Bush only won by a slim majority in an extremely close election" to " The project was not successful, as President George W. Bush went on to win the election by a majority and received the most votes for any candidate in American history." He marks the edit as minor and does not leave an edit summary.


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 * This edit is somewhat inaccurate as we all know. As this is the language Old Right uses in the examples above this sheds a new light on the repeated restorations of this somewhat inaccurate characterization of the out come of the election. Fred Bauder 02:09, July 19, 2005 (UTC)


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Stephen Baldwin

 * 21:04, Jun 3, 2005: Old Right repeats the edit, again leaving no edit summary.

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 * This edit, unsourced, characterizing brother Alec as "ultraliberal" contrasts sharply with Alec Baldwin which characterizes Alec as a "Liberal Democrat." The reversion and comment seem appropriate if somewhat discourteous Fred Bauder 02:25, July 19, 2005 (UTC)


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 * 04:06, May 14, 2005: Old Right edits Stephen Baldwin, adding "in contrast to his ultraliberal brother Alec," again leaving no edit summary. Soon afterward someone NPOVs the text.

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 * A repetition of the same error. The succeeding edit does not NPOV the text, after all the brothers do seem in sharp contrast, just removes the inaccurate information . Fred Bauder 02:25, July 19, 2005 (UTC)


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Katherine Harris

 * 19:00, May 26, 2005: Old Right edits Katherine Harris, removing an entire section on Harris's views of embryonic stem cell research with the edit summary "irrelevent" (sic).

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 * Although not sourced explicitly Old Right here removes relevant information (the voting record of a congresswoman regarding significant public issues is by definition relevant) and characterizes it as "irrelevant." Fred Bauder 02:32, July 19, 2005 (UTC)


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Bill Maher

 * 23:51, May 25, 2005: Old Right adds Category:Socialism to Bill Maher. Maher has never identified himself as a socialist and is generally identified as libertarian. No edit summary is given.

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 * Consulting Bill Maher gives no basis for insertion of this category, Old Right cites no other source. Fred Bauder 02:57, July 19, 2005 (UTC)


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 * 02:11, May 5, 2005: Old Right makes assorted POV additions and removals from Bill Maher.

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 * Yes, and engages in inappropriate argumentation. Fred Bauder 02:57, July 19, 2005 (UTC)


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 * 16:47, Feb 23, 2005: Old Right changes "he also publically supports PETA, an organization that works for animal rights" into "He also publically supports PETA, an extremist animal rights organization that is often accused of terrorist methods."

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 * An inappropriate edit in the context of this article which is about Bill Maher, not PETA. Fred Bauder 02:57, July 19, 2005 (UTC)


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 * 00:00, Feb 13, 2005: Old Right reverts.

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 * Some problems here, For example he changes from language which attributes a point of view to some critics to baldly stating it as fact, "his liberal views." Fred Bauder 02:57, July 19, 2005 (UTC)


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 * 04:55, Feb 9, 2005: Old Right makes assorted POV edits to Bill Maher. He does not leave an edit summary and is soon reverted.

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 * Yes, continuation of above problems, argumentation in the body of the article and bald characterizations. Fred Bauder 02:57, July 19, 2005 (UTC)


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 * 20:55, Feb 5, 2005: Old Right edits the sentence "He supported Bob Dole in the 1996 U.S. presidential election and is close friends with conservative pundit Ann Coulter," removing the second part and leaving the edit summary "who his friends are is irrelevent to his politics!"
 * 20:53, Feb 5, 2005: Old Right makes assorted POV edits to Bill Maher. He does not leave an edit summary and is soon reverted.

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 * Removes significant information and characterizes it as "irrelevant." Fred Bauder 02:57, July 19, 2005 (UTC)


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 * 21:57, Oct 4, 2004: In a paragraph on Maher's views, Old Right changes "aggressive gun control" to "near-absolute gun control."

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 * Unsourced POV edit. Fred Bauder 02:57, July 19, 2005 (UTC)


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 * 13:15, Sep 8, 2004: Old Right removes, without explanation, the sentence "Maher has been an outspoken advocate of several political positions, but no notable overall ideology." He leaves no edit summary.

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 * Although unsourced, the removed information seems appropriate. Fred Bauder 02:57, July 19, 2005 (UTC)


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 * 13:15, Sep 8, 2004: Old Right makes an obviously POV edit to Bill Maher.

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 * Incorporates argumentation and is unsourced. Fred Bauder 02:57, July 19, 2005 (UTC)


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