Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Bobtoo

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Bobtoo



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The editors I have listed are repeatedly restoring disputed text to Death of Marilyn Monroe and defending their actions on Talk:Death of Marilyn Monroe. The disputed text asserts that a former FBI agent "claims to have seen Robert Kennedy and other men go inside her home at the time of her death". This text cites a gossip column in the New York Daily News, which in turn cites (the little-known producer of an unfinished documentary, as its source. These editors have also repeatedly restored the gossip column URL to the "External links" section.

I had requested an RfC for the article (diff); User:Dlabtot was the only established editor to respond and he agreed with my position(diff). On October 8 User:Hoary added an entry about the article on WP:AN/I (diff). On October 9 I blocked Bobtoo for 3RR. On October 10, Bobtoo responded on his talk page with a legal threat (diff), and User:Mr.Z-man blocked him for an indefinite time period. On October 11, the pattern of edits reappeared.

Three Four of the IP addresses are based in New York City (and two three share the same ISP and subnet); one is based in India (but its edits are suspicious).

Except where noted, all of the edits in the following list were to either Death of Marilyn Monroe or Talk:Death of Marilyn Monroe.

68.175.71.18 edits:
 * Aug. 9: diff, the original addition of the disputed text and external link.

68.175.64.18 edits:
 * Oct. 11: diff, following Bobtoo's block.

Julia0101 edits:
 * Oct. 11: diff, diff, diff, diff, diff restored disputed text and external link and/or additional unattributed text that User:Jmh123 deleted on Oct. 10; diff; also edited talk page: diff, diff.
 * Oct. 12: diff
 * Additionally, Julia0101 (diff, first Wikipedia edit), Waldamir (diff, first Wikipedia edits), 68.175.71.240 (diff), and 68.175.71.18 (diff) all show a shared interest in Lydia Hearst-Shaw.

Bobtoo edits:
 * Aug. 30: diff
 * Sept. 22: diff, diff, diff, diff, diff
 * Sept. 23: diff, diff, diff, diff, diff
 * Oct. 6: diff, diff
 * Oct. 8: diff
 * Oct. 9: diff, diff, diff, diff, diff, diff
 * Oct. 11: diff, unblock request.
 * Bobtoo has been previously challenged concerning verifiability (see Takashi Oyama).

USA1812 edits:
 * Sept. 22: diff, diff (First Wikipedia edits)
 * Oct. 7: diff, diff

Sarazip1 edits:
 * Sept. 28: diff, linked to a source (FBI FOIA documents) that we had requested from Bobtoo, but the source ultimately does not corroborate the assertion Bobtoo is defending. I pointed this out on the article's talk page. These were among Sarazip1's first Wikipedia edits.
 * Oct. 9: diff (deleted Hoary's comment while at the same time claiming that someone deleted her comment)
 * Further "overlap" between Bobtoo and Sarazip1, in the form of shared interest: Sarazip1 created Selectmen of Boston (diff); about 30 minutes later, Bobtoo edited a related article, John Rowe (Boston Selectman) (diff).

68.175.71.240 edits:
 * Aug. 30: diff, diff; Note: Oversight-L deleted additional edits, including legal threats.
 * Oct. 8: diff, diff, diff
 * 68.175.71.240 (diff), Smason6000 (diff, first Wikipedia edits) show recent and similar interest in tanbur.

67.100.51.173 edits:
 * Oct. 4: diff, first Wikipedia edits.

59.161.127.65 edits:
 * Oct. 3: diff (changed talk page text from "Why would she kill herself?" to "Why Was she murdered?")
 * Unlike the other IP addresses, this one is apparently based in India.

Finally, note the common theme in these editors' edits:
 * Bobtoo: "But lets not make this about the daily news, it’s about the FBI agent and the death of Marilyn Monroe."
 * USA1812: "Sounds like you have a personal vendetta against the New York Daily News, but this is not about them!! It's about Marilyn."
 * Julia0101: "You guys are all missing the main point. This is about Marilyn Monroe, and should not be about your egos and writing wars."

Thank you. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 14:18, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * --Deskana (talk) 17:57, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
 * May I ask why? I wouldn't want to put this much effort into a future request, if I knew that I'd done something wrong this time. Thanks, -- Gyrofrog (talk) 18:13, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I did not see any need for a check. If I was to disclose, for instance, that the accounts were all owned by the same person, would you seek to get them blocked? You've not layed out enough evidence that that would be appropriate. As such, I saw no need for a check. If you wish to represent your evidence such that you make the need for a check and the policy violations clearer, then I will look at the case again. --Deskana (talk) 23:32, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

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