Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Bormalagurski

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Bormalagurski/C-c-c-c
Seems to be a pretty blatent use of sockpuppetry on Kosovo to subvert the 3RR, but it's not immediately clear to me if it's on the part of Bormalagurski, or of C-c-c-c, given their apparently similar POV, reversion behaviour, and Canadian location. Alai 00:05, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Confirmed Based on edit pattern and the technical evidence, I am comfortable linking all together. The same user (or possibly a small group of users) is responsible for all three accounts; at any rate the accounts are being used to subvert Wikipedia policy. Essjay (  Talk  •  Connect  )  02:09, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm much obliged. I'd like to think that'll help settle that article down, but I suspect there may be more where that came from.  (e.g. User:Krytan, another editor apparently from Canada continuing the same pattern.)  Alai 02:45, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Comment: I am almost completely sure (99.9%) that C-c-c-c is not Bormalagurski. There might be a certain coincidence on edit patterns, but since when is this sufficient reason? I understand both users are ethnic Serbs living in Canada and have been involved on possible tag-teaming (in the same way as two other users in the opposite side have) but that does not make them sockpuppets of each other. I would appreciate if proper process is followed and a full CheckUser finalised in order to clear these users. Edit wars are inherently disrupting but it is heavy-handed to ban someone for "suspected sockpuppetry" on the basis of edit-warring and tag-team (considering they have already been blocked by another admin for 3RRing). I understand that given C-c-c-c's recent behaviour, he is definitely not doing himself any favours. Regards, Asterion talk to me 06:13, 20 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Process was followed, and a full checkuser was performed: I checked each of the accounts and each of the IPs involved, reviewed the edits, editors, and edit patterns coming from each IP, checked the IP registries on all, did reverse-lookup on each, scanned each IP with two separate utilities for any type of proxy activity, ran traceroute, and searched for reports from other sites and reporting agencies of problematic behavior and/or abusive use, just as I do for all checks. If you had any idea of what being a checkuser entails, you probably would have known that a full investigation is undertaken before providing a response, rather than making baseless and patently false accusations about the nature of the investigation undertaken.


 * There does appear to be a non-involved editor (roommate?) utilizing the same IP as C-c-c-c, however that individual is not Bormalagurski. Bormalagurski is editing from several IPs across three ISPs, including a Layered proxy server known for being used abusively elsewhere. Additionally, Bormalgurski is responsible for the User:IIir pz account, blocked for vandalism and impersonation. C-c-c-c and Bormalgurski are both using static Shaw Communications cable service IPs; there is no doubt that SerbianMafia is connected directly to C-c-c-c. Whether the two are, as indicated above, (most likely) the same user or (less likely) two users coordinating thier disruption, both are violating Wikipedia policy by the abusive use of sockpuppet accounts.


 * I will not, and did not above, if you bother to read what I said, rule out the possibility that there are two separate users involved here, but they are most certainly coordinating thier disruptive activities, and are without question engaging in conduct prohibited by Wikipedia policy. Essjay  (  Talk  •  Connect  )  07:12, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. I am sorry I misunderstood your summary. I thought you meant they have been blocked because edit patterns only. Bormalgurski was previously sanctioned for sockpuppetry but I had my doubts about C-c-c-c. I especulate he created SerbianMafia while on block issued by ChrisO. Therefore, process was followed indeed. I was puzzled by the remarks "The same user (or possibly a small group of users)". This would have looked clearer had separate entries been created. In all cases, I apologise for any misunderstanding. Asterion talk to me 11:38, 20 May 2006 (UTC)


 * This was filed as a single request because my intention was to find out who was running the anon and blatant sock, so's to know who to block for 3RR, rather than to speculated as to a connection between the two long-standing accounts, for which I'd no prima facie basis (glad as I am that Essjay uncovered it). Sorry for any confusion (I was somewhat confused myself at one point).  Alai 22:22, 20 May 2006 (UTC)


 * No probs. Thanks.Asterion talk to me 22:25, 20 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the propmt actions, they were long needed. Does anyone care to see if there is any connection between the user above with this User:Krytan? This user has many characteristics sharing with the ones above, and participated in the revert war at one point, with the same attitude. Thanks in advance, ilir_pz 10:45, 20 May 2006 (UTC)


 * The connection between Krytan and Bormalagurski can be seen if you check the edits on the userpage of the latter. User Krytan was surprisingly confused sometimes, and that user kept editing the userpage of his suspected sockpuppet. . ilir_pz 20:47, 20 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Ohohohoho! Now I have sockpuppets throughout the country! You said it yourself, SerbianMafia is from Richmond! Well, no he's not! He's from Burnaby, BC. His name is Bojan Knezevic, and I told him about the troubles we were having with the Kosovo article and insisted to help. C-c-c-c is from Winipeg, I chat with him every day, very nice guy. Ilir is a slimy editor, brakes almost every agreement we make, and accuses everyone who doesn't share his opinion of being either a sockpuppet or a nationalist. From this moment on, I will fight for Ilir to be blocked indefinately, his sockpuppets Hipi Zhdripi and others, have done enough harm to this Wikipedia. -- serbiana -  talk  02:01, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

They are not the same person,another administrator that is albanian accused me that ima a sockpuppet,but now Wikipedia unblocked me and APOLOGISED(look at my talk page).You should apologise to Boris,Cccc and SerbianMafia as well,because they are innocent victims,just like meDzoni 02:14, 21 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Am I being read at all, or are people just making up whatever they'd like to think I said? I quote: I will not, and did not above, if you bother to read what I said, rule out the possibility that there are two separate users involved here, but they are most certainly coordinating thier disruptive activities, and are without question engaging in conduct prohibited by Wikipedia policy. And voila, the suspect shows up and admits it! He literally admits to recruiting meatpuppets, and *I* need to apologize? Essjay  (  Talk  •  Connect  )  03:41, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Bormalagurski


We thought that a previous warning/finding would stop this user, but seems like not. His actions are highly suspicious, as the following example proved. See contributions of this user in the article Kosovo Liberation Army, they are almost crossing the 3RR rule, and "suddenly" when I (wrongly actually, missing one more revert)report him in the 3RR page, someone else Krytan does that what he wanted, and to confuse an admin further Estavisti also edited a bit. I realized that I wrongly reported him for the 3RR, which gave him a reason to edit with the other accounts, which I was very suspicious for a long time being his sockpuppets. Seeing the speed of edits, and the very short time between the edits. Just check when suspected sockpuppets User:Krytan and User:Estavisti "started" editing. Exactly when he was crossing the 3RR boundary. It is impossible that the 3 usernames can be different, when they edited within a very short time-span. Please take some action, this user has been disruptive in almost all his Wikipedia "career", has been blocked 4 times previously, but is not becoming more understanding. It would be good to find out if these are his meatpuppets or sockpuppets, and action to be taken accordingly. On the contrary. I thank you in advance. ilir_pz 00:09, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

I would also like to request a checkuser, just to prove Ilir wrong. He is so obsessed with his claims of an "organized propaganda program" aimed at "pushing Serbian POV" that he does not see the clear facts. I, Bormalagurski, am in Vancouver, Krytan is in Toronto and estavisti is in London. A simple IP locator can prove this. Also, estavisti has over 1,700 edits, mostly on articles I've never touched (I believe thats more edits than I've made ), Krytan also edits stuff I don't care much about (mostly South Serbia, I believe ). But when it comes to Ilir's vandalism, which is extremely noticable, I think it's understandable that some of us intervene. Good luck in proving that we are the same person, I really look forward to the results of this checkuser. Also, I'm not surprised that Ilir's main evidence is my wiki-history (which has not been perfect), even though I have changed my ways long ago, but it's hard for others to accept that. On the other hand, Ilir has been organizing vandalism with his Albanian friends, convicted vandals like Hipi Zhdripi and his sockpuppets, who have been blocked for "POV pushing and disruption". There has also been a sharp rise in throwaway accounts, writing in similar fashion as Hipi and Ilir. -- serbiana  -  talk  00:47, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

. This has become a matter for Arbitration. Essjay (  Talk  •  Connect  )  02:16, 29 May 2006 (UTC)


 * What does this mean, Essjay? ilir_pz 10:16, 29 May 2006 (UTC)


 * That it's past Check User and appropriate action to deal with the above. H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 10:19, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

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Is accused of being a sockpuppet of. The evidence is circumstantial, but not wholly without merit. This new user seemed mighty experienced during casual editing. One of his earliest edits was on his userpage (at 02:17), making a link to photos he had contributed to the project, whereas he had not yet added them. The page he was referring to appeared half an hour later, at 02:48. Of course, this could also be explained by a great deal of enthusiasm on WikiMBs part, but such planning of uploading pictures is uncommon among new users to say the least. Also, some strange edits on his talk page seem to suggest that WikiMB, Boris and perhaps also User:Luka Jačov are coordinating edits.

Because of the severity of the accusation (and doubly within the mine-field of Balkan-related topics), it merits some investigation at the very least. Like I said, evidence is mostly circumstantial, but it seems a good idea to nip this in the bud - either to clear WikiMB's name, or to demonstrate abuse.

Cheers, The Minist   e   r of War   (Peace) 13:22, 3 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I have also been harbouring suspicion that User:WikiMB is, in all likelyhood, another account that has been opened by User:Bormalagurski. Given the number of his edits and the approach he is using he is probably aiming at eventually getting adminship at Wikipedia which User:Bormalagurski failed to secure on a couple of attempts for all the known reasons. Needless to say, this would have interesting consequences on articles related to Croatia. I had suspected this for some time, but I didn't have any evidence until yesterday (April 2) when User:Bormalagurski made a mistake of deleting a Luka Jačov's comment left on User:WikiMB's discussion under Re:Template. Luka Jačov appeared 5 minutes after this deletion and left a slightly modified comment (without the previously included phrase - Boris why do you have two accounts;)?). Pretty interesting tempering with another user's page on the part of User:Bormalagurski. Of course, User:WikiMB re-appeared 5 minutes later as if nothing had happened to add another PR remark. For more info check WB's history page EurowikiJ 13:34, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

As I have stated here, I deny these accusations and am horrified of such a claim. I will still be editing for Wikipedia while I'm on "trial" for these accusations. --M.B. 23:32, 3 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Request denied. Just from looking at the contributions I find it unlikely that these two are sockpuppets of one another; they appear to me to be distinct editors. Kelly Martin (talk) 23:59, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Thank you very much. I'd like for EurowikiJ to send messages to all of his buddies, who he tried to unite against me, that I'm not a sockpuppet. Also, Mr. Minister of War, you mentioned something about clearing my name... I feel like I've been disgrased by Wikipedia with this accusation, and even though the request is denied, I feel sad because of this akwardness. All I wanted was to write geographic articles about Croatian villages. The accusation came only days after I said how everyone is friendly here. Minister of War was right, "not everybody here is friendly and helpful", and he was also right when he said to me that "there's enough spirit to make & keep you addicted". --M.B. 00:30, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I've reopened this request based on additional evidence provided via my talk page. Confirmed: WikiMB and Bormalagurski are the same editor, or at least two editors working in close concert.  Kelly Martin (talk) 18:09, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

This is amazing! I don't have a sockpuppet, and here's my reasoning:

--  Boris Malagurski   ₪  01:59, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

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