Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Cretanpride

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Cretanpride





 * Code letter: F

I need a control for this possible ban-evasion, as there are many signs that that this may be the permanently banned. This suspect comes from 1) exactly like C., P. claims to be a Greek American. 2) The dates coincide: P. started editing on September 30, while on September 24 his last wave of socks had been detected, and hade made his notorious death threats 3) they both have a great interest for modern Greek military history: they have both edited Battle of Greece, Greco-Turkish War (1919-1922), Battle of Crete and World War II. 4) A common special interest for Crete-related topics: they both edited the article on the Chretan singer Nikos Xilouris and Battle of Crete and have edited of the battle of Crete in more general articles. 5) a common on adding the word "pyrrhic"; as Cretanpride added it to the infobox of battle of Crete, so did Periklis* with the infobox of the Battle of Thermopylae. 6) Cretanpride has had from 15 September an ascertained sockpuppet called : it's hard not to note the similarity among Perikles and Periklis*.--Aldux 10:51, 22 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Additional information needed, in the form of a code letter. Daniel.Bryant 11:05, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
 * And "a link to the closed [ArbCom] case" "[a link to] the discussion that resulted in the ban or block" would be great also. Apologies for the error - got my codes mixed up :). Daniel.Bryant 11:24, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment. The link above is to the AN/I discussion of Cretanpride's most outrageous offence, the death threat — however, I had already indefinitely blocked him for extensive sockpuppetry and block-evasion. After multiple offences (which can be seen at Requests for checkuser/Case/Cretanpride) I changed the block to indefinite on September 17.  The block was supported by a strong consensus on Talk:Homosexuality in ancient Greece, and after Cretanpride's further disruption (including the death threat) it more-or-less morphed into a community ban. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 22:17, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I recieved an email from Periklis*, which is copied below. I'll let the Checkusers decide the validity etc. of the content. Please note, this email has not been modified in any way, and therefore contains a number of references to it being an email to myself, rather than a notice to all Wikipedians - I left it this way for transparency.


 * I responded with "I am going to post this email on the page...if you have any objections [to this posting], feel free to remove it from the page...". If Periklis* does remove it, please do not revert. Cheers, Daniel.Bryant 07:56, 23 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Second request for
 * Code letter: F

A previous RfCu for Takidis was declined as a throwaway account. He has edited Talk:Homosexuality in ancient Greece, using many of the same arguments Cretanpride did. He has posted to my talk page, requesting that the checkuser be performed, so that his concerns about the article can be addressed on their own merits, rather than being dismissed as Cretanpride's monomania. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 00:14, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Cretanpride's edits are too old to get an IP from. I can't run a check unless you have some other way to get IP evidence for me to check against. Dmcdevit·t 17:10, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I can confirm that Periklis* is and . Dmcdevit·t 17:13, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

There are recent confirmed socks in the noincluded section of the page, including and. Thatcher131 17:26, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * None of these are helpful either, unfortunately. there. Dmcdevit·t 06:59, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

comment First off, Aldux has greatly exaggerated the similarities.

1) I made only one edit on Greco-Turkish war which pointed out a neutrality violation. 2) I have turned 'Battle of Greece' from a start class into an FA candidate. 3) I was planning to do the same to related articles. That is, turn them into an FA candidates. 4) Adding the word 'pyrrhic' doesn't really count for much, since it is a usual Greek expression. 5) I have gotten along with fellow wikipedians and I have not started any debates. Judging from Cretanpride's contributions, the only thing he did was start arguments. 6) I would NEVER make any threat to anyone. I have been courteous to everyone. 7) My name in real life is Periklis, and many other users on wiki have that name. 8) There are millions of Greek-Americans. 9) This is a bad-faith accusation, and I never was informed that I was suspected.

Again, I see no harm which can be done if you allow me to edit. I will not support Cretanpride's line, and in order to be a sockpuppetry account, it has to support a cause, something I haven't done. It is not against wiki policy to have more than one account so long as you don't support a cause. Periklis* 03:35, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Takidis ✅ per Mackensen. Thatcher131 01:41, 31 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Periklis also ✅ by Mackensen ; thus, by the transitive property, and  are also confirmed. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 06:53, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Cretanpride




Code F. Single-purpose account, posting to an RfC on Talk:Alexander the Great (see this diff). Takidis echoes positions that confirmed socks of Cretanpride have taken on the topic of Alexander's sexuality (see this diff, for instance, and the archived RFCU's on the same sockpuppeteer. Writing style seems the same as CP's and his socks' as well. --Akhilleus (talk) 00:53, 14 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I noticed this from the "what links here" on my page. I am not Cretanpride nor a sock of Cretanpride. A fundamental policy on WP is to assume good faith, something which you have all violated. I insist, please do perform a checkuser. I have things to say and would like to be taken seriously. I, having an interest in Alexander the Great, decided to post my opinion. There is nothing wrong with that. Please, perform the checkuser so I can be free of this suspicion. Thanks. Takidis 20:46, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

What is this check going to accomplish? It appears that this is yet another throwaway account. The Uninvited Co., Inc. 02:11, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Cretanpride




Code F (ban evasion), but I can't find the discussion that resulted in Cretanpride being banned. Ample evidence of his sockpuppetry is on the RCU case page, not to mention Category:Wikipedia sockpuppets of Cretanpride. Cretanpride also issued a fake death threat.

A new user, Alex35, made this edit to Alexander the Great. Alex35's edit reflects Cretanpride's attitude towards homosexuality. His edit summary claims that "Agreement" has been reached on talk page, when discussion is actually deadlocked; this is also a behavior of Cretanpride's socks, including the odd capitalization. --Akhilleus (talk) 15:32, 29 September 2006 (UTC)


 * , throwaway account. The Uninvited Co., Inc. 16:53, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Cretanpride




In this comment on Talk:Alexander the Great, User:SaveGreekHistory posted a link to a Myspace thread, whose initial post was by a Myspace user called "Greek". User:Steve88, a confirmed sock of Cretanpride, previously directed us to Myspace threads started by "Greek". These threads invite Myspace users to edit Homosexuality in ancient Greece and other articles--a concrete illustration of Cretanpride recruiting meatpuppets. --Akhilleus (talk) 23:21, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Also, whether or not this is confirmed, could someone please do some targeted IP range blocking or something? Cretanpride is creating new socks on a regular basis. --Akhilleus (talk) 23:26, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I think this account can be blocked as a sockpuppet based on similar edit behavior, but I would agree the IP behind them needs to be blocked for longer than the standard 24 hour autoblock. I would therefore like to ask the checkuser not to confirm sockpuppetry (that's obvious), but to apply a block to the involved IP(s). This RFCU subpage has ample evidence of sockpuppetry by this user to warrant it. - Mgm|(talk) 09:29, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

User:Yannis234 made this edit to Talk:Alexander the Great, praising the posts of User:Apro and User:GreekEconomist. Seems to be following Cretanpride's pattern. --Akhilleus (talk) 21:49, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

User:James258 posted this message which includes a possible personal attack and material from the same Myspace discussions that Cretanpride directed us to. The name is similar to User:James577, already blocked as a (probable?) sock of Cretan. --Akhilleus (talk) 03:31, 24 September 2006 (UTC)


 * All of these seem obvious enough to me that I've blocked them as sockpuppets of Cretanpride. However, I'd like to echo the call for a range block; this is getting tiresome. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 04:39, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

In this edit User:Tame500 asks another user to revert to one of James577's edits to Homosexuality in ancient Greece. --Akhilleus (talk) 04:47, 24 September 2006 (UTC)


 * And when I blocked Tame500, User:Sam328 popped right in where he left off. Please block this range. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 05:34, 24 September 2006 (UTC)


 * When evaluating the merits of a range block, please consider the death threats sent to multiple users, as discussed at WP:AN/I and Talk:Homosexuality in ancient Greece. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 21:01, 24 September 2006 (UTC)


 * ✅. Also User:GreekEconomist (who I have re-blocked), User:Jean571, User:Jonneee, User:Samclubsee, User:Achilles22. Jayjg (talk) 23:23, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Cretanpride




With Steve and James, both are obvious: see this diff, and this diff.

John admits here to being involved in the editwar on Homosexuality in ancient Greece. --Akhilleus (talk) 02:15, 22 September 2006 (UTC)


 * ✅. Jayjg (talk) 16:30, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Cretanpride




An IP vandal whose edit to Homosexuality in ancient Greece reflects Cretanpride's POV-pushing. --Akhilleus (talk) 19:02, 18 September 2006 (UTC)



This one is obvious: see this diff. --Akhilleus (talk) 23:49, 18 September 2006 (UTC)



This IP user erased an erroneous signature by User:Jeep94: see this diff. Looks like Jeep94 logged out and then edited as this IP. --Akhilleus (talk) 23:54, 18 September 2006 (UTC)



These accounts are clearly the same person (see this diff), and in turn, 66.233.19.91 is clearly Cretanpride, as shown by this diff. --Akhilleus (talk) 04:50, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

My IP was blocked because I started with a Greek name and was therefore confusing. I replaced it with GreekEconomist once the block was lifted. My IP is 66.233.19.91. This IP has been used by me and only by me. It is not my fault Clearwire IPs are similar. I would also point out that I have never edited on any articles Cretanpride has and have never supported any of his arguments. I felt obliged to post here given Cretanpride's history. GreekEconomist 05:48, 20 September 2006 (UTC)


 * To clarify: the matter to be determined is whether is the same as, a former Cretanpride sockpuppet.  It could be a coincidence, or it could be another sockpuppet. We'll see what checkuser reveals. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 15:43, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, take this as you like. and are the same user. Jeep94 is indeed a Cretanpride sock. By his own admission GreekEconomist edits from the same range as Cretanpride. I think this is blazingly obvious, but if someone wants to let him edit it's all the same to me what you do. Mackensen (talk) 15:48, 20 September 2006 (UTC)


 * What about 151.196.12.248 and 130.17.62.181? —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 16:07, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

IP addresses won't be officially tied to registered users except in unusual circumstances. If the IP gives itself away, that's its problem, and you can deal with it without technical confirmation. Thatcher131 18:56, 20 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Ah. I didn't realise that.  Thanks.  (I've treated all the IPs as confirmed sockpuppets, except for 151.196.12.248, which I've tagged as "suspected".  (I know that WP:DENY is currently in vogue, but I think that it's helpful to have a central listing of these accounts, the better to spot editing patterns.) —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 20:07, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Cretanpride




This isn't as clear-cut as previous cases, but I still suspect User:Perikles is Cretanpride's sock. The account has been active since 15 September 2006, and made a recent edit to Homosexuality in ancient Greece (see this diff) reflecting Cretanpride's enthusiasm for the work of Bruce Thornton. Like some of Cretanpride's other socks, Perikles is named after a famous ancient Greek.

Note that Cretanpride indicated that he intends to carry on his campaign of sockpuppetry and/or meatpuppetry on his talk page. --Akhilleus (talk) 23:28, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

✅ Mackensen (talk) 00:54, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Cretanpride




User:Aristotellis has been active since 4 September 2006. His pattern of contributions, to football articles, Battle of Crete, and Homosexuality in ancient Greece, are similar to Cretanpride's. User is following Cretanpride's line of argument on Talk:Homosexuality in ancient Greece (see this diff), and like some socks of Cretanpride, has posted encouraging messages on User:Apro's talk page. --Akhilleus (talk) 19:09, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

✅. Mackensen (talk) 00:07, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Cretanpride




Two more probable socks of Cretanpride, active on Talk:Alexander the Great, making the same arguments in much the same style. The IP resolves to Clearwater LLC, the same IP previously used by Cretanpride's anonymous sockpuppets. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 05:15, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Mackensen (talk) 18:32, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Cretanpride




Some other suspects involving sockpuppetry by Cretanpride. A very fresh account, the suspects regard mainly 1) his total opposition to take in consideration that Alexander the Great may have been homosexual or bisexual 2)his interest for the battle of Crete, one of the articles preferred by C., as clear by his message to User_talk:Jpbrenna 3) he's edited Greco-Turkish War (1919-1922), as done before by C. 4)most of all, the user pages; as for the languages box, in both Cretanpride's and MegasAllexandros' userpages he claims native Greek, native English and near-native Spanish. They also both have the userbox with written "this user is proud to be Greek".--Aldux 22:36, 30 August 2006 (UTC)


 * MegasAllexandros also blanked out a contentious exchange between User:Cretanpride and User:Lutherian on Talk:Greco-Turkish War (1919-1922) (see this diff). --Akhilleus (talk) 16:14, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

✅ Mackensen (talk) 22:52, 31 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Comment: I've blocked MegasAllexandros indefinitely, and blocked Cretanpride for a month for the flagrant and continual violations of WP:SOCK. Enough is enough. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 04:16, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Cretanpride




Cretanpride is involved in a massive pov-push on Homosexuality in ancient Greece against the consensus, and to strengthen his argument has used several sockpuppets, which have been confirmed by checkuser in the last check made here. A new account has now appeared, User:Ellinas, which swears not to be Cretanpride, but has appeared only today and has supported many of Cretanpride's positions, and has also limited till now his interest to this article; to put it clearly, its course of action is very similar to that of Cretanpride's previous socks.--Aldux 13:35, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

✅ Mackensen (talk) 13:39, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Cretanpride




All these are brand new editors, and center around the article Homosexuality in ancient Greece, all making the same reverts and all supporting the same vote for deletion. In the same day, they manifest the same interest for other articles, like World War II and Battle of Crete, which almost all of these accounts have edited.Aldux 00:02, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

✅. All three accounts are the same person. I'm not sure how you want to handle this, though. Stan State is a pretty obvious one-off account. Mackensen (talk) 16:49, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

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