Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Emetman

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Emetman (3rd request)



 * Code letter: G


 * Supporting evidence: These are all the accounts and IPs currently listed in WP:Suspected sock puppets/Emetman. Once this case quiets down (if it ever does) it might be possible to block any remaining puppets under WP:DUCK. But since the flow of new suspects is so constant, it may be better to run everything through checkuser to avoid making any mistakes. EdJohnston (talk) 17:59, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
 * the following are :, , , , , , and . Accounts were found on various IPs/ISPs in the same geographic region. Nishkid64 (Make articles, not wikidrama) 01:51, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Emetman (2nd request)



 * Code letter: G


 * Supporting evidence: Suspected use of single-purpose sockpuppets to avoid scrutiny of conflict-of-interest contributions. Accounts' edits almost exclusively involve the subject 5W Public Relations. If confirmed as same user, there are violations of Three-revert rule and Edit war on that article as well. Previous RFCU request confirmed and resulted in block. Thank you. — Satori Son 14:37, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Adding User:Judae1 Please look into this account as well, as this could be the puppet master for all the accounts listed here. While this account has not edited the articles in concern in months, he initiated the 5W Public Relations and Ronn Torossian articles, and the accounts below have restored promotional sounding edits that Judae1 originally inserted. More damning is the user talk page message left by 65.16.36.2 listed above, which accuses me of "trailing" Juade1, when I haven't interacted with, or edited the same article in 2 years. --Mosmof (talk) 15:10, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Adding 12.103.203.218 and 207.237.137.37. I suspect both IPs are connected to the user or, at the very least, it's Emetman logging out to edit. 12.103.203.218 popped up this morning on the 5W Public Relations after 207.237.137.37 (confirmed in last checkuser) was temporarily blocked for incivility towards Mosmof. After reverting 12's edits, I requested the page be protected to stop the madness for at least a day or two. Unsurprisingly, Emetman showed up after the page was protected to add and/or remove the exact same info with similar rationales and (crappy) sources. As stated above, these IPs and users seem to edit articles exclusively pertaining to 5WPR, have no problem with breaking 3RR, and have a huge COI. Pinkadelica (talk) 22:38, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Adding User:JFseekingtruth - Another editor deleting relevant names from 5W Public Relations. Contribution history shows editing in mostly Joe Francis, a 5W client, and involved in content dispute over NPOV edits. Even if this isn't a match, would be a meatpuppet, considering the obvious affiliation. Mosmof (talk) 20:26, 7 September 2008 (UTC)


 * ✅ PalinforVeep and MaClainDiesHard are the same person but ❌ to the rest.
 * ✅ the following accounts:
 * Note that what has happened here is that since the last check, Emetman now edits exclusively from his home IP address, while the other accounts all edit exclusively from a business office in the same city. Based on shared article contributions, they are either the same person or they are working together.  There are a few other editors at the same workplace who do not have overlapping contributions so I have declined to name them for now, they might be innocent bystanders.  I believe you will find many of the shared edits relate to 5W Public Relations, it's founders or its clients.  COI editing is not banned automatically, but it is cautioned against because it can lead to other behavioral problems, as is apprently the case here. Thatcher 01:58, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, I have indef blocked all the above named accounts with the exception of who does not appear to be related, Thatcher, you think you could take another look please.  Tiptoety  talk 06:17, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Judae1 is definitely related to the other editors at the business address. Articles in common include the (now deleted) Robert G. Ulrich and First Family Church. Thatcher 07:22, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Note that what has happened here is that since the last check, Emetman now edits exclusively from his home IP address, while the other accounts all edit exclusively from a business office in the same city. Based on shared article contributions, they are either the same person or they are working together.  There are a few other editors at the same workplace who do not have overlapping contributions so I have declined to name them for now, they might be innocent bystanders.  I believe you will find many of the shared edits relate to 5W Public Relations, it's founders or its clients.  COI editing is not banned automatically, but it is cautioned against because it can lead to other behavioral problems, as is apprently the case here. Thatcher 01:58, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, I have indef blocked all the above named accounts with the exception of who does not appear to be related, Thatcher, you think you could take another look please.  Tiptoety  talk 06:17, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Judae1 is definitely related to the other editors at the business address. Articles in common include the (now deleted) Robert G. Ulrich and First Family Church. Thatcher 07:22, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Note that what has happened here is that since the last check, Emetman now edits exclusively from his home IP address, while the other accounts all edit exclusively from a business office in the same city. Based on shared article contributions, they are either the same person or they are working together.  There are a few other editors at the same workplace who do not have overlapping contributions so I have declined to name them for now, they might be innocent bystanders.  I believe you will find many of the shared edits relate to 5W Public Relations, it's founders or its clients.  COI editing is not banned automatically, but it is cautioned against because it can lead to other behavioral problems, as is apprently the case here. Thatcher 01:58, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, I have indef blocked all the above named accounts with the exception of who does not appear to be related, Thatcher, you think you could take another look please.  Tiptoety  talk 06:17, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Judae1 is definitely related to the other editors at the business address. Articles in common include the (now deleted) Robert G. Ulrich and First Family Church. Thatcher 07:22, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, I have indef blocked all the above named accounts with the exception of who does not appear to be related, Thatcher, you think you could take another look please.  Tiptoety  talk 06:17, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Judae1 is definitely related to the other editors at the business address. Articles in common include the (now deleted) Robert G. Ulrich and First Family Church. Thatcher 07:22, 9 September 2008 (UTC)


 * With all due respect, it does not make me guilty of any COI edits, nor does it invalidate my two years of Wikipedia edits and creation many pages. Robert Ulrich is not a COI, it's just an article with light or insufficient information.  If there is a different opinion out there, I'd like to hear it.  In creating or enhancing pages, it behooves to have links.  As Ulrich is a board member of the church mentioned, it seemed like a good idea.  Being in an office of 95 people, all with the same IP address, does not invalidate a user's contributions, nor should it. Juda S. Engelmayer (talk) 13:35, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, I have blocked Judae1 for 48 hours. I am thinking that a indef block of this specific account (knowing that it is the same editor as the others listed above) is a bit harsh and does not acknowledge all the great work he has done. So Judae1: this is the only account you are allowed to edit from. Tiptoety  talk 14:14, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Emetman



 * Code letter: E

In 5W Public Relations:
 * Supporting evidence: User:Emetman account appears to be used to to evade 3RR block, and to make WP:COI edits in Ronn Torossian‎ and 5W Public Relations‎.
 * 20:33, July 14, 2008 207.237.137.37
 * 20:59, July 14, 2008 207.237.137.37
 * 21:03, July 14, 2008 207.237.137.37
 * 21:07, July 14, 2008 207.237.137.37
 * 22:39, July 14, 2008 Emetman
 * 22:39, July 14, 2008 Emetman

In Ronn Torossian:
 * 13:54, July 14, 2008 64.52.47.210
 * 16:00, July 14, 2008 64.52.47.210
 * 20:32, July 14, 2008 207.237.137.37
 * 20:33, July 14, 2008 207.237.137.37
 * 20:57, July 14, 2008 207.237.137.37
 * 20:58, July 14, 2008 207.237.137.37
 * 21:03, July 14, 2008 207.237.137.37
 * 22:38, July 14, 2008 Emetman
 * 22:40, July 14, 2008 Emetman

And meatpuppetry in Talk:Ronn Torossian: --Mosmof (talk) 04:21, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 22:36, July 14, 2008 207.237.137.37
 * 22:41, July 14, 2008 Emetman


 * ✅ -- all three are the same. Sam Korn (smoddy) 13:06, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Main account blocked for 24 hours, IPs blocked for 31. Tiptoety  talk 18:36, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

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