Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Jack Forbes

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Jack Forbes

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 * Supporting evidence:

Jack forbes encountered me on a discussion at Scotland, which then went over to here. This discussion was over whether Scotland, England, Northern Ireland, and Wales should be called "constituent countries" or "countries". The term "countries" is considered to be a nationalist POV, and so the majority of people (74% of votes) decided "constituent country" over country should be used. However, Jack Forbes strongly opposed this, and decided to continue pushing the nationalist agenda (which becomes more obvious from looking at this, where his user page originally showed strong Scottish pride and support for Scottish independance, and the fact he then removed this information after there were mentions on the UK discussion page of nationalist POV pushing, almost as if the user was trying to hide any motives he may have had).

As I spearheaded the discussions on the matter at United Kingdom, Jack Forbest became increasingly obsessed with me, and viewing the user's contributions, one can see that every single one of his edits from the 16th of June to today (the 21st of June) has been entirely about me, with not a single constructive edit between those dates.

Jack forbes has made many a personal attack against me recently, including calling me an "arsehole", "prick", "dickhead", "wee skinny arsehole", and telling me using Scottish slang he wishes to fight me:
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User:Boilerman was created on the 17th of June (after the 16th of June, when Jack Forbes started to become obsessed with me), and edited their first edit on the 20th (the date that Jack Forbes started calling me a "prick", "arsehole", "dickhead", etc), where they warned an IP for something (possibly used as a decoy), and then went on to make this (only other) edit: on the discussion at the UK page (where Jack Forbes and myself had both talked), and made yet another personal attack at me. The account seems single purpose, and somehow jumped into a massive conversation there, which Jack was involved with, and continued the Personal attacks against me that Jack started. It is therefore apparent that the user's editing is highly significant of Forbes', and I think a checkuser is in order.

The IP address has also made similar attacks at me, and edited Scotland on the 17th of June  - again, significant with Jack's other activities.

I suspect the IP address to be a proxy, based on the sheer number of different edits from it, and this. It is therefore possible that Forbes was able to conceal his IP via this. If the proxy used was transparent, it may be possible to trace the underlying IP, but if not, then it may not be possible to show this.

Cheers Fone  4  Me  09:00, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Discussion

 * Is anybody gonna check? At least to end any doubts (eitherway)? GoodDay (talk) 16:21, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The case could easily be closed as "stale" by an administrator. As Jack has now retired one could argue that the problem is nolonger 'current'. --Cameron (T|C) 16:31, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It is needed for us to know whether or not an indef block is needed for Forbes, since if he has sockpuppeted to continue the attack after being warned, then a block is due. -- fone  4   me   19:45, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

While I don't condone some of Jack's language it needs to be said that Fonez4mii is a provocative editor and it can be difficult to keep your cool. With only two months experience he has entered a controversial space and uses words like "spearheaded" and "assert". Any disagreement results in accusations that you have a nationalist POV regardless of the evidence. He is more circumspect that Jack in his language, but .... --Snowded (talk) 18:45, 23 June 2008 (UTC)


 * If you suspect me of any more accounts than you have already checkusered me for, then go for it. The fact that I have been assertive in my arguments does not give you any excuse to get wound up. But anyway, this checkuser is about Forbes. -- fone  4   me   18:59, 23 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I would like to suggest (to an admin, not to you Fonez) that this case be immediately closed. Alison has already stated that she will have nothing to do with it (here) since there is absolutely no reason other than an assumption of bad faith to carry it out. --Schcambo aon scéal? 19:14, 23 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Don't be so ridiculous. Alison was not talking about this case. As both myself and User:Rrius have now told you, Alison was referring to where Sarah suggested a checkuser on herself and Jack ("Btw, you'll be IP checked now just to make sure you ain't me, no doubt. As you say, I haven't a clue who you are"), and Alison was suggesting that there was no need to do this. Firstly, the indenting may have suggested what she was answering to, but secondly, common sense would have shown she would not have randomly stated such a thing on such a non relevant page.
 * If there is nothing to hide, the checkuser will show all. -- fone  4   me   19:18, 23 June 2008 (UTC)


 * That is correct, yes. I wasn't talking about this case at all - A l is o n  ❤ 23:10, 23 June 2008 (UTC)


 * - afk right now here, but I'll deal with this case in a short while, soon as I get the chance here - A l is o n  ❤ 20:20, 23 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you -- fone  4   me   15:45, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Are you sure the latest IP you added is correct? It is located in Virgina (see the talk page). --Cameron* 16:04, 24 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Well my personal belief is that it is some kind of proxy that would enable Jack to conceal his IP. If the proxy is transparent, Alison should hopefully be able to see the underlying IP. If he is using a form of anonymous proxy, we may not be able to tell. But the date the IP started editing is significant. It was the 16th of June that Forbes stopped editing constructively, and started obsessing with me. It was also the 17th of June that the IP edited Scotland, Forbes' speciality. -- fone  4   <font face="Eurostile">me   16:09, 24 June 2008 (UTC)


 * The IP address above is ❌ to either of the accounts in question and is a large-ish gateway IP. I see no evidence of abuse of multiple accounts there - A l is o n  ❤ 18:40, 24 June 2008 (UTC)


 * And ✅ that =  =  -  A l is o n  ❤ 18:41, 24 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks Alison. Interesting interesting... right, well I think all three accounts should be indef blocked. Not only is the user sockpuppeting, but using sockpuppets to purposefully be deceptive (note that the Jack Forbes account has actually spoken to Joe Deagan), and continuing personal attacks. -- <font face="Eurostile">fone  <font face="Eurostile">4   <font face="Eurostile">me   19:48, 24 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Alison, could you also check UK4Ever? It may be using a proxy, but worth a shot. -MichiganCharms (talk) 01:21, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi there. Why should I check that account? Has it been involved in abuse in any way, and can you provide diffs as evidence? - A l is o n  ❤ 01:31, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The account was created today [] and it's action was to create a sig template that matched Fonez4mii's as you can see in the diff. He then edited the Scotland article, asserting a point that Fonez has been attempting to make on that article's talk page [] and then joined the discussion at the informal mediation of Scotland/UK [] again agreeing with Fonez. After I posted on Fonez's profile that he should add UK4Ever to this RFCU, UK4Ever posted this on my talk page []. He has disclosed that he has been on Wikipedia as an anon, but his early actions make it seem as though he were purposely attempting to look like a sock of Fonez4mii. -MichiganCharms (talk) 02:28, 25 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm going to do you all a favour. I did use Boilerman to make a pretty nasty comment to Fonez4mii after his sockpuppet case, so definately an indef block for that. Joe Deagan was not used as a sockpuppet, have a look! So that's that, guilty as charged! I actually request an indef block. Thank you! Jack forbes (talk) 01:51, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Do everyone a favour, check on uk4ever. The poor guy/girl opens an account and is accused of being a sockpuppet in the same day. If that does'nt put a person off wiki nothing will! Jack forbes (talk) 03:49, 25 June 2008 (UTC)


 * You purposefully made multiple accounts. And you even edited your account's talkpages using your other accounts. -- <font face="Eurostile">fone  <font face="Eurostile">4   <font face="Eurostile">me   17:25, 25 June 2008 (UTC)


 * ✅ that 20.133.0.13 is UK4ever's IP address. In this edit, he accuses himself of being a sockpuppet.  I don't know exactly what is going on, but I don't like what I see.  The IP is a corporate gateway with a large number of users who only edit from that location during working hours M-F.  However most of them also edit from various residential IPs on nights and weekends so it is possible to determine they are individuals.  UK4ever's only night/weekend edits are from an IP address that is not consistent with Jack forbes, but there are so few edits it is difficult to be conclusive.  I think that's about as far as the technical analysis can go at this point. Thatcher 02:53, 26 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Also ✅ that and  are sockpuppets of Fone4My.  They haven't edited in a while so I considered a private warning, but with this hypocritical comment, Fone4my exhausted my supply of goodwill. Thatcher 03:03, 26 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Can you confirm User:Fone4My is the return of User:Iamandrewrice and User:Gozitancrabz. They all seem to edit things related to Malta, have similar views in regards to the Uk and engage in similar disruptive editing. Pur<font color="#ff4500">edi<font color="#ff7coa">tor   23:51, 27 June 2008 (UTC)


 * "Troll" here. What's going on??? On May 19th user:MagdelenaDiArco was editing on the talk page of <font face="Eurostile">fone   <font face="Eurostile">4   <font face="Eurostile">me   and vice-versa. Now we're told they're the same people??? 195.27.13.214 (talk) 10:44, 28 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Please also note, that when I specifically asked Fone4My if he had ever edited under any other names he made no reference to the above users saying "Not with an account, no. Several months ago, there were IP edits, but I was not logged into any name" which now appears to be a straight lie. He has ceased editing as far as I can see, but assume someone will take action?--Snowded (talk) 13:26, 28 June 2008 (UTC)


 * "Troll" here. Has anyone brought this to the attention of A l is o n  ❤ or someone similar? (See here also regarding the role of  <font face="Comic sans MS">uk   <font face="Comic sans MS">4   <font face="Comic sans MS">ever   in these events) 195.27.13.214 (talk) 13:26, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It appears it may be time for an indef block of Fone4My; what are the Checkuser's findings? GoodDay (talk) 14:19, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * "Troll" here. Couldn't agree more.  ASAP, please!  This user; Fonez4Yw, has appeared today at User talk:Fone4My and also has a passing interest in things Maltese, not unlike the socks MagdelenaDiArco and IrzamAhmad where Malta is concerned. Coincidence? Me thinks not... 80.41.237.88 (talk) 16:38, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm also concerned about this account Fonez4Yw. -- GoodDay (talk) 16:54, 28 June 2008 (UTC)


 * ✅ that and  are the same person,  they are Fone4My. Thatcher 03:51, 1 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I have nothing to do with Walking Telephone and Fonez4Yw. And unlike what some IP has been suggesting, I am not Jack forbes, Brunodam, Iamandrewrice, Giangian15, or Gozitancrabs. -- <font face="Eurostile">fone  <font face="Eurostile">4   <font face="Eurostile">me   07:22, 1 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Some interesting thoughts:
 * User:Brunodam, User:Giovanni Giove and User:Iamandrewrice are all banned users, who edit "Italian areas" of wikipedia.
 * There were recently checkusers on Brunodam (here) and Giovanni Giove (here).
 * Giovanni's checkuser shows he is related to User:MedagliaD'Oro. Is it just me, or does this have an interesting similarity to User:MagdelenaDiArco, especially since they both edit Italy/Malta related articles?
 * Then, more interesting, is User:Giangian15.
 * If you check the contributions of Fonez4Yw and WalkingTelephone, their first edits almost entirely match the editing areas of Giangian15.
 * Giangian, Fonez4Yw, and WalkingTelephone, all interestingly edit the Malta related articles.
 * Fonez4Yw and WalkingTelephone also edited the UK set of articles too. And look at the contributions of Gozitancrabz.
 * Gozitancrabz edited the UK set of articles, and was even involved in a mediation on them.
 * Per this, he was found to be a sockpuppet of banned user User:Iamandrewrice, who, again, edited Italy and Malta articles.
 * So basically,
 * -Iamandrewrice/Gozitancrabz had ties to editing Malta, Italy, and UK articles.
 * -Fonez4Yw/WalkingTelephone edited Malta/Italy and UK articles, and edited the exact same articles as Giangian15, who also edits Malta/Italy articles.
 * -Giovanni Giove was found to have a sockpuppet called MedagliaD'Oro who edits Italy/Malta articles - interestingly similar name to MagdelenaDiArco, who edits Malta articles.
 * -Brunodam and Giovanni Giove edit the same places.
 * -An account called User:ItaliaIrredenta (who edited Italy/Malta related articles) was found to be a sockpuppet of User:Brunodam. The account edited Template:Italian people, which, interestingly, was created by User:Crystalclearchanges, who is a sockpuppet of Iamandrewrice.
 * -The template was also edited by User:Pannonicus and User:BurtReed, sockpuppets of Brunodam, and by Gozitancrabz, a sockpuppet of Iamandrewrice.
 * My thoughts are that all the users are the same. They all edit exactly the same areas, and act the same way, and have sockpuppets named after eachother. It appears that they also understand how to use proxies. Therefore, I am not so sure a checkuser will do much, but I think we can go by WP:DUCK here.
 * -- <font face="Eurostile">fone  <font face="Eurostile">4   <font face="Eurostile">me   08:26, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

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