Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Johnyajohn

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Johnyajohn (2008-07-07)
More Marilyn Monroe editing, with particular focus on the subject's death. I had already blocked Ibm534a. See also Wikipedia talk:Requests for arbitration/Octavian history. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 14:05, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
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 * Code letter: F (or possibly B, see following)
 * P.S. Joe1p1p's second edit was to archive part of Talk:Marilyn Monroe, IMO a relatively advanced task for an ostensibly new user. The discussions in question overlap the previous round of sockpuppetry. And this edit bears a now-familiar style in edit summaries. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 16:58, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Yojg on an open proxy.

❌.  Aar on Sc hulz  12:06, 10 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I probably should have mentioned it here earlier (my apologies), but I went ahead and blocked the Joe1p1p account. I did not take the "Unrelated" result lightly (although I also noticed the involvement of an open proxy in the same result).
 * I believe this passes the "quacks like a duck" test in any case.
 * User:Octavian history had previously threatened to suggested he could take measures to conceal his IP address . Personally I am surprised there hasn't been an earlier attempt at concealment.
 * Regarding his statement, "There are millions of people who beleive the same thing, and so many books about it". I suggest scanning Talk:Death of Marilyn Monroe and comparing how often this same assertion has been made, and by whom (here are some diff links, ,,).
 * The second and third edits made by the Joe1p1p account were to archive part of the Talk:Marilyn Monroe page. . This is a relatively advanced task for an ostensibly new user. The last person to archive the talk page, User:Star-in-law, had already been associated with the Octavian_history account.  In both cases they removed (from the active talk page) discussions critical of the purported sex tape that was in the news a couple of months ago (see my comments on the RFCU page about this appearing to be "damage control").
 * -- Gyrofrog (talk) 14:47, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Johnyajohn (2008-05-13)
More Marilyn Monroe editing following recent media coverage. Writing style, edit summaries resemble those of, who was blocked on January 28 for sockpuppetry: link. That the edits are ostensibly critical of recent events makes me suspect that the latest edits are an attempt at damage control. As a side note, there was an RfAR about 2.5 months ago that was eventually moved to Wikipedia talk:Requests for arbitration/Octavian history; I'm not sure whether it's still open or not. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 14:43, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * (May 9-present)
 * (April 20-21)
 * (Feb 24-May 9)
 * Code letter: F (or possibly B, see following)


 * Let's put this on the high side of or even . Thatcher 04:05, 14 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I have gone ahead and blocked Star-in-law. After I filed this report, he went on to post this comment at Talk:Marilyn Monroe, which was immediately reminiscent of verbiage used by older accounts at Talk:Death of Marilyn Monroe. Also blocked Samcontacto, and while I was at it, Wiki-user3728 and Holy-wiki (see earlier case). -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 10:42, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

(2008-05-19) FWIW, I have just blocked new account based on talk page edits very similar to those by Star-in-law and Samcontacto: -- Gyrofrog (talk) 06:32, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Compare this edit (Ae2578277) with this one (Samcontacto)
 * Also compare this edit (Ae2578277) with this one (Star-in-law)

(2008-05-21) As long as this is still open(?), would it be possible to check for any sleeper accounts? (like perhaps ) Thanks, -- Gyrofrog (talk) 03:30, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * P.S. Sorry, I missed the part in "/Procedures" that said "should be moved back to the pending section." -- Gyrofrog (talk) 16:08, 21 May 2008 (UTC)


 * ✅ Ae2578277 and Eric49-025. No other sleepers at the moment. Thatcher 00:27, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Blocked Eric49-025. Are they the same as the earlier two accounts? Thank you, -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 02:16, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * They're the same user as Star-in-law. Thatcher 02:48, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Johnyajohn (2008-03-19)
, who is associated with the accounts in the previous RFCU, was blocked on January 28 for sockpupetry: link. User:Marilyn-goddess is making similar edits to Marilyn Monroe, namely the restoration of text regarding Jack Clemmons (link). Octavian_history created the latter article; Marilyn-goddess has suspiciously few edits to be citing consensus and verifiability concerning the mention of Clemmons. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 11:25, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
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. Thatcher 12:40, 19 March 2008 (UTC)


 * P.S. Added an IP address to this request, sorry I didn't have this earlier. Same ISP as numerous addresses from previous RFCU. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 15:26, 19 March 2008 (UTC)


 * No comment on the IP address, due to the privacy policy. In general, IPs that act like banned users can be treated as such without checkuser confirmation. Thatcher 17:11, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Johnyajohn (2008-02-19)
See WP:RFAR#Request for appeal: Octavian history.


 * filed an appeal for user:Octavian history, a blocked sock in the list below.
 * Checkuser review says not only is this account actually Octavian history's IP, but also a second account was created,.

Comment received: "Dear sir, I am not him, but a family member. If you look at his history you will notice he has not done a single vandalism or unconstructive edit. He has also fought against vandals. There are thousands of people who attack wiki every minute with vandalism. I truly can't believe that you would not side with someone who has tried hard to create and improve so many articles. Two of the puppets were friends and family members, not the 100 that have been named. Also, we did not know that friends and family cannot agree about the same subject. I can easily never work on any article that he does from now on if that helps"

Request a recheck on the sockmaster's range for other socks, and a decision. No action taken so far. FT2 (Talk 19:59, 19 February 2008 (UTC)


 * All previous findings reconfirmed. Several accounts listed below are editing from the same IP and computer at nearly overlapping times.  Other accounts as listed editing from a public terminal or a different ISP in the same city.  Accounts marked as stale were not checked.  The IPs in question are relatively stable for longish periods so a broader range check is not indicated.  Obviously, checkuser can not see who is sitting at the screen at any given moment.  However, note that Hasan075 was created and voted in Articles for deletion/Hajj Amin Elahi just 4 minutes after Octavian history's last edit to the same AfD. Thatcher 05:39, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Johnyajohn

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User:Octavian_history, who had his account name changed from Persianhistory2008, is an active editor and suspected sockpuppet of User:Johnyajohn and is thought to be the same editor as User:Bobtoo, who has been blocked indefinitely. . I believe that Octavian_history is evading the community sanctions placed on Bobtoo, and his edits make it clear that he is continuing the pattern of harassment, accusations and threats that got him banned when using the Bobtoo account. I am requesting an IP check to confirm that the editor Johnyajohn and Bobtoo, as well as all their suspected sockpuppet accounts, are indeed the same user, in which case a block of the currently active sockpuppet, Octavian_history, would be appropriate. Octavian_history is currently under a 24 hour block, but I request it be made indefinite as soon the relation between these accounts are confirmed. The suspected sockpuppet accounts of Johnyajohn have been documented here:, and those of Bobtoo are documented here:. The suspected sockpuppets of Persianhistory2008 are documented here
 * Editing - All these users and IPs have a history of editing the same group of pages, including, Marilyn Monroe, Death of Marilyn Monroe, Talk: Death of Marilyn Monroe, Nur Ali Elahi, Talk: Nur Ali Elahi, and several others.
 * Article creation – an example of an article created by one sockpuppet and then recreated by another:
 * Bahram Elahi created by Bobtoo, and speedily deleted on August 9, 2007 then recreated by Octavian_history on January 10, 2007


 * Harrassment and threats – there is a similar pattern of aggressive and uncivil behavior towards other editors:
 * Bobtoo:, ,
 * Octavian_history:, ,
 * 69.201.146.55:
 * 68.175.71.240:,
 * 12.0.30.180:


 * Chronology - The pattern of accounts and IP addresses and the dates they were in use when combined with the history of the pages that were edited, provide a map of how this user uses sockpuppets to make it look like there is consensus where there is none, as well as to bully and harass people from multiple angles.
 * 162.84.181.153 - September 12, 2006
 * 66.108.46.97 - September 13, 2006 – October 29, 2006
 * Johnyajohn – September 18, 2006 – October 3, 2006
 * 12.0.30.177 - September 28, 2006 - October 30, 2006
 * Jillqq1 - October 3, 2006
 * Writeitwrite - November 24, 2006
 * 68.175.78.96 - January 7, 2007 – February 1, 2007
 * Freedomwriter – February 3, 2007 – February 16, 2007
 * 24.199.71.181 – February 18, 2007 – November 1, 2007
 * 68.174.13.231 - February 26, 2007 – May 1, 2007
 * 12.0.30.180 - March 10, 2007 – present
 * 69.201.146.55 - May 6, 2007 – July 21, 2007
 * 63.164.145.85 - June 1, 2007
 * 68.175.71.18 - August 4, 2007 – August 10, 2007
 * 68.175.71.240 - August 17, 2007 – October 28, 2007
 * Julia0101 - September 12, 2007 – October 12, 2007
 * USA1812 – September 22, 2007 – November 1, 2007
 * Sarazip1 – September 25, 2007 - November 12, 2007
 * Waldamir - October 4, 2007
 * 68.175.75.156 - November 4, 2007 – November 25, 2007
 * Franklyon – November 19, 2007
 * The-Scriptorium - November 25, 2007, blocked indefinitely as a sockpuppet of Persianhistory2008 on November 27, 2007
 * Bobtoo - July 11, 2007, blocked indefinitely for making legal threats on October 9, 2007
 * Persian_history - November 4, 2007 and currently still active as Octavian_history
 * Hasan075 – January 19, 2008
 * 208.125.21.226 – January 20, 2008
 * Kurdestani – January 26, 2008
 * 198.22.123.103 – January 26, 2008


 * AfD disruptions - This user has also started using suspected sockpuppets to interfere with an ongoing AfD using Hasan075 and using sockpuppet 12.0.30.180  . (See also Kurdestani and 198.22.123.103.)

Thank you for your prompt attention in this matter. Global.wiki (talk) 17:30, 20 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment: I would say that Global.wiki's assessment on this page is correct. Furthermore: I just noticed that article also shows clear overlap between Bobtoo, 68.175.71.18, and Octavian_history. I've long suspected a relationship between Bobtoo and the other accounts, but was unsure there was enough evidence until Global.wiki pointed out the "Bahram Elahi" article. This edit by 68.175.71.240 actually ties a lot of this together (I have been extremely hesitant to point this out, but try Googling the name mentioned in that edit). See also User_talk:Johnyajohn, where I had summarized this last June. Note that I am the one who placed the current 24-hour block on Octavian_history, and was also the target of both Bobtoo and 68.175.71.240's legal threats (Oversight-L deleted 68.175.71.240's threats). -- Gyrofrog (talk) 18:20, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
 * P.S. In his unblock request, Octavian_history claimed I had been harassing him "for the past year" . I thought this was rather telling, seeing how the account only dates from November. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 23:39, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Update - Jan. 27: I've also added and  to the list of suspected socks. Kurdestani started editing after Articles for deletion/Hajj Amin Elahi was re-opened on Jan. 26.  Kurdestani  and Octavian_history . are both undoing User:Teleomatic's  tags in the Hajj Amin Elahi article.  198.22.123.103 (apparently a Best Buy store) has also chimed in today at both the AFD and the article. -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 00:06, 27 January 2008 (UTC)


 * ✅ that, , , ,   and  are the same.
 * Also ✅ that is editing from .  This appears to be a public terminal of some kind and has no other editor on it, so I have soft-blocked it for 6 months. Thatcher 18:47, 27 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Also . Thatcher 19:23, 27 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Update - Jan. 28 As long as this is still open, please also check, who has only edited the "Hajj Amin Elahi" article and its AfD. Also, when you mention Equinoximus, I assume that you meant "confirmed?" Thanks, -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 03:52, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * D'oh! Sorry, I went straight to this case's subpage and did not see that this had already been moved to "Completed." -- Gyrofrog (talk) 03:56, 28 January 2008 (UTC)


 * ❌ - A l is o n  ❤ 06:44, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, I would say that  =,  and  regarding Octavian history (same city, different ISP). Thatcher 07:43, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Johnyajohn




Code Letter: C for ongoing vandalism. I'll keep it short and simple. The article Elonka Dunin (and articles of other notable Dunin relatives) have received numerous vandalism from new accounts and IP addresses. All of the above has either vandalised the article or attempted to put the article up for deletion (even though there was a recent AFD and the result was "keep"). Harangus and Johnyajohn deny that they are related to any of the IP addresses.

This a sample of the vandalism carried out by these accounts.        [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Elonka_Dunin&diff=78197654&oldid=78195183  

It be greatly appreciated if a sockpuppet check would be carried out to determine if the accounts {user|Harangus}}and are also using IP addresses to carry out vandalism and if they are the same user. Thanks. Englishrose 17:44, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

❌ The Uninvited Co., Inc. 19:15, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

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