Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Saintjust

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Saintjust



 * dion.ad.jp
 * used by User:Komdori
 * dion.ad.jp
 * used by User:Komdori
 * dion.ad.jp
 * used by User:Komdori
 * dion.ad.jp
 * used by User:Komdori
 * used by User:Komdori
 * used by User:Komdori
 * used by User:Komdori
 * used by User:Komdori
 * used by User:Komdori
 * used by User:Komdori
 * used by User:Komdori
 * used by User:Komdori
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 * used by User:Komdori
 * used by User:Komdori
 * used by User:Komdori
 * used by User:Komdori
 * used by User:Komdori
 * used by User:Komdori
 * used by User:Komdori
 * used by User:Komdori
 * used by User:Komdori
 * used by User:Komdori
 * Code letter: C, D, E, F
 * Supporting evidence:
 * 1) Requests for checkuser/Case/Krkrkrs
 * 2) Requests_for_checkuser/Case/LactoseTI
 * 3) Suspected_sock_puppets/LactoseTI
 * 4) Suspected_sock_puppets/Opp2_(2nd)
 * ja:Wikipedia:投稿ブロック依頼/DION可変ユーザー
 * 1) Talk:Sea of Japan

All listed people have been engaging in Japan-Korean related articles but their appearances and activities make me have a big doubt over whether they're just one person. Hermeneus is the oldest editor who has joined in Wikipeia among them, and his activities were vigorous and fierce when it came to Liancourt Rocks, Sea of Japan, Comfort women, etc. Saintjust had devoted to do the same after Hermeneus was quite or disappeared. Macgruder Komdori and LactoseTI were very active when Saintjust and Hermeneus was clam or disappeared. Saintjust didn't even appear to vote for naming change in contrary to his devotion. My engagement in some of the J-K articles was after September so I didn't know what exactly was going on. However, I felt very strange about the sudden disappearance of Komdori and LactoseTI after the naming change of Liancourt rocks was settled down.

LactoseTI and Komdori was frequently accused of socking each other and the initial RFCU result on them was likely. However, they persuaded the cheksuser who concluded the result that they know each other and teach at the same school as a professor and said that their way of writing is different from each other. Macgruder also defended them how their writing style is different. However, per my experiences in the Wikipedia, socks talk to one of his/her socks as if they're not related or someone. Changing writing style can be also one of socks' common gimmicks although they can't hide their interest, cliche completely.

Saintjust begun editing again after their disappearance and I also felt odd his way of speaking is very similar to that of LactoseTI. He frequently appeared as an anonymous user with DION ISP. Through CFD on "Korean fruits" (nominated by Saintjsut) and "Japanese citirus", I sensed that the dion user is Saintjust. Also Japanese editors so quickly gathered to vote for deletion, it was also very odd. It was not listed on Japanese Wikiproject but later, I discover that they discussed Korean relate articles at 2channel and IRC.

Anyway, appeared at the two discussion page and his contribution is also link to Eugenics in Showa Japan, in which Azukimonaka and Saintjust were involved

I also watched the dion user making disruptive edit warrings on.



In addition, Saintjsut certainly uses dion.ad.jp and confirmed it at the old RFCU on him and at Japanese wikipedia

Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Krkrkrs ja:Wikipedia:投稿ブロック依頼/DION可変ユーザー

（コメント）私もdionなのでブロックはされたくありません. translation: (Comment) I'm also a dion user, so don't want to be blocked (for the fishing by others)

Besides, Saintjust, Hermeneus, dion anon edited Saburo Ienaga.

2channel says many editors access to IRC to discuss articles of English Wikipedia and some of them are also linked to Japanese wikipedia as well. If someone makes disadvantageous edits for Japan, especially related to WW 2, he or she may be soon accused of Zainichi (Koreans in Japan). I'm also accused of being a Korean in Japan (funny) Saintjust is mentioned on the thread several times because Japanese think of him as a main player.

Here are evidences why I believe they're all same person. Hermeneus's edit summary, Saintjust's edit summary, Macgruder's edit summary, LactoseTI's edit summary, Komdori's edit summary
 * edit summaries

all the Japanese arguments that are critical of the issue are segregated in a little section called "Counter theories," which is filled with hideous Ad hominem attack on Japanese critics.by Hermeneus
 * Same expression

Like I said, a pseudonymous Wikipedia editor's unsourced, ad hominem attack on a reputable scholar like Kennedy doesn't count. by Saintjust


 * Same logic
 * it has a meaningful correlation with the worldwide 'race' of blacks.

Just because Americans do so, doesn't mean that it has a meaningful correlation with the worldwide 'race' of blacks. by Macgruder


 * By your own standard the Koreans aren't even the native ethnic of the Korean peninsula because their ancestors came from Africa like every other ethnic in the world. by 61.202.37.174, dion anon = Saintjust


 * Nobody is discussing if racism exists in Japan or not. Obviously racism exists in Japan as well as in almost every human society on the earth. by Saintjust


 * Similar edit summary

self rv; whatever by LactoseTI, [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Heimstern&diff=prev&oldid=174777483 reverting myself. never mind --Saintjust]

These users used to say just because, important because, only because etc.
 * adverb or adjective + because

1. User talk:Nihonjoe The U.S. is very much a concerned party to this issue. Japan was deprived of oversea territories precisely because the U.S.-led Allied Powers defeated Japan in the Pacific War, and it was the SCAP (Supreme Commander of the Allied Powers) that redrew the national boundaries of post-war Japan and determined the attribution of islands such as the Liancourt rocks and Kuril Islands. Removing the info on the U.S. involvement is ridiculous. by Hermeneus

2. Template_talk:Japanese_ethnicity That's why I said "Admittedly the application of WP:NOR is more lenient for images, but that doesn't mean that original images are desirable on Wikipedia.'' Just because images are less likely to violate the "core idea of WP:NOR," that doesn't mean that they are desirable. For credible and verifiable images from reputable sources are always better than original images. by Saintjust

3. Having an authoritative source is important because it ensures the credibility and accuracy of Wikipedia contents. by Saintjust

4. The image is not deleteworthy because the application of WP:NOR and WP:V is more lenient on images as already discussed above in length. by Saintjust

5. Talk:Dokdo/Archive_9 Most sources outside of Korea use both names in their articles. However, since Koreans seem to care about this issue much more than the Japanese, Korean sources have printed a lot of material that uses only the name "Dokdo." You're right that most English language sources use "Dokdo" than they do "Takeshima," but that's only because pro-Korean sources print more things about this issue. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk) 04:55, 13 May 2007 (UTC).

6. I have removed a chunk of the worst POV statements. Mainly because the English didn't make any sense. (Felt that the Rusk article was Japanese POV, feel that the name of this article is Korean POV). by Macgruder 09:32, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

7. "But we know that Korea had longer control of Liancourt Rocks right". Not necessarily because the history and maps are unclear, so no we don't know that. Besides it's off topic. It's not for us to interpret the history. It's for Wikipedia to report what historians including Japanese and Korean say. Macgruder 03:57, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

8. Your reasoning about Senkaku Islands is both irrelevant and untrue. Irrelevant because if you have a question about the name of that article discuss it there using Wikipedia policy. Untrue, because Senkaku Islands is the more common English name and is the standard name used in the majority of English language references, and has been for sometime. Macgruder 16:15, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

9. Probably because I at least tried to make my comment relate to the issue of naming. Komdori 22:38, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

WP:OP result is not confirmed yet, however When I included Komdori and LactoseTI in KoreanShoriSenyou case, they're not excluded like Endroit who lives in USA. It is possible that Komdori or other suspected people used open proxy, or TOR.

Using socks is not prohibited in Wikipedia, but if they are all same or two people, they all violated so many policies such as 3RR violation, ruining several (quite many) important poll results, NPOV, meatpuppets. This should be stopped and they have to take the responsibility for the long time disruptions. --Appletrees (talk) 17:19, 26 February 2008 (UTC)


 * that is .  Saintjust does indeed edit from Dion but all the IPs you list are too stale to check for additional confirmation, except for  which is  but I would prefer to have more information to make a judgement.
 * LactoseTI and Komdori are ; too old to check.
 * Macgruder, Neier and Nightshadow28 are ❌ by technical evidence. Thatcher 04:19, 27 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Addition I should've submitted the file much earlier, but LactoseTI and Komdori stopped editing just 4 months ago. And these time records of the dion ips are late November. You matched Opp and Opp2 even though Opp's blocking was over one year and half. I'm curious how far can checkusers detect socks from inactive ip or accounts?


 * (VIRGINIA.EDU) The ip is very very old but if it is used by Saintjust, they're the same person. The oldest dion ip I've got is from April, 2006 and Saintjust joined in 2005.



I followed the articles to articles which Hermeneus and Saintjsut edited. They're newest I could get. The below might be too old, but I add them for any chance to confirm their likeness to each other.


 * collusion with Komdori.
 * collusion with Komdori.
 * collusion with Komdori.
 * collusion with Komdori.
 * collusion with Komdori.
 * collusion with Komdori.
 * collusion with Komdori.
 * collusion with Komdori.
 * collusion with Komdori.

Is there any way to confirm on the sockpuppetry between Komdori and LactoseTI? These editors appeared and disappeared in almost same day. Both Macgruder and Hermeneus said they use Mac, but Macgruder also uses PC per his saying. Is there any possible for Macgruder to use two computers in two locations? --Appletrees (talk) 09:09, 27 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Most of these IPs are too stale, one or two with recent edits are unlikely to be Saintjust. Komdori and LactoseTI were last checked so long ago that those IPs would not be relevant anymore. Thatcher 02:52, 28 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I add more dino ips which are all on January and last December. The dion ip anon made disruptive edit warring with another anon on Gaijin in which Saintjust also edited.


 * Talk:Japanese sword that Saintjust edited.
 * Talk:Japanese sword that Saintjust edited.
 * Talk:Japanese sword that Saintjust edited.
 * Talk:Japanese sword that Saintjust edited.
 * Talk:Japanese sword that Saintjust edited.
 * Talk:Japanese sword that Saintjust edited.
 * Talk:Japanese sword that Saintjust edited.

--Appletrees (talk) 03:25, 28 February 2008 (UTC)


 * In that particular list of IPs, 5 are ✅ as Saintjust logging out to edit and 2 are . Thatcher 11:45, 28 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Hermaneus has too few recent edits to do much with. His edit of 30 Nov was made 4 minutes after an edit by Saintjust on the same IP address, but he could be a housemate. That's as far back as I can go. Thatcher 12:12, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

The above sentence is from Thatcher's talk page.--Appletrees (talk) 17:07, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

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