Wikipedia:Requests for comment/204.113.91.11

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Statement of the dispute
UPDATE: Barbara Schwarz has been banned by the Salt Lake City Library, the University of Utah, and the LDS Church (the three sites mentioned in the RfC), from using their computers any longer. This solution is much better since Wiki won't have to block public servers at the Library and University in Utah. I have no idea how to close this RfC down since it appears to be a moot point now. Vivaldi 11:22, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

This user, who identifies herself in posts as Barbara Schwarz, was recently banned and is again vandalizing the discussion page of the Barbara Schwarz article by constantly using personal attacks and threatening lawsuits against the editors after being repeatedly warned to behave properly both on her talk page and in the discussion itself.

Description
The latest vandalism involves Ms. Schwarz repeated attempts to publicly "out" an editor by exposing his real name and location. Although she has made an incorrect guess at the real name, this is still inappropriate to harass and attack a 3rd party who has nothing to do with this dispute.

Also, Ms. Schwarz repeatedly attacks editors and Wikipedia itself with threats of civil lawsuits, criminal prosecutions, and she reports that she is calling police in an editors hometown and that police there are interested in him.

Barbara Schwarz is using three distinct public posting locations in Salt Lake City to commit her vandalism. This includes 204.113.91.11 (the Utah Education Networks public library facilities), and 205.127.246.166 (the Salt Lake City public library), and 12.110.19.97 (the genealogical library at 50 East North Temple in SLC, Utah). Each one of these IP addresses has been added to the spam blacklist at AHBL [] because of her abusive internet activities. See: [] for proof of this. There are literally over 30,000 repetitive spamming posts originating from these IPs written to USENET. Vivaldi 05:52, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Evidence of disputed behavior
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 * A more recent tirade nameing names including "porn king" Jimbo Wales.
 * From a sockpuppet account. More vandalism.
 * Vandalism again
 * Vandalism

Applicable policies
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 * No_personal_attacks
 * No_legal_threats
 * No Sock Puppets

Evidence of trying and failing to resolve the dispute
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 * User talk:204.113.91.11
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Users certifying the basis for this dispute
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 * Tilman 08:00, 9 October 2005 (UTC)Tilman
 * Vivaldi 00:18, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Statement by Vivaldi
I am new to Wikipedia and I would appreciate any advice or suggestions that you can provide. I am hoping to prevent this user from repeatedly adding personal attacks and revealing real names and addresses on articles or discussion pages. Numerous times I have had to remove these attacks and even after a period of blocking they continue.

I filed this RfC with the hope that I could gain some assistance in stopping this behaviour. If WP:VIP or WP:ANI is the appropriate forum for this, then I would be happy to make my reports there. Vivaldi 00:25, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Other users who endorse this summary
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 * Tilman 08:01, 9 October 2005 (UTC)Tilman
 * Modemac 12:55, 9 October 2005 (UTC) (You may also want to take a look at the "discussions" (i.e. flames) involving this subject on alt.religion.scientology. This Google search for "schwarz" and "wikipedia" should suffice.)
 * Super 7 - Everything else is just transport 19:13, 9 October 2005 (UTC) I have seen this woman abuse, threaten, and lie about many people, myself included. I have a USENET 'kook' file and she has over 100,000 entries, and it is missing a number of months of her abuse.  All attemps I have seen at problem resolution, both here and on ARS have been met with more libel or off-topic posts and edits.
 * Desertphile 11:53 LMT, 10 October 2005. I have sought legal redress against Ms. Schwarz's defamation and lible, but the Salt Lake City, Utah, lawyer I discussed the issue with said that in his opinion it is futile to sue a pennyless person who is mentally ill. His opinion included the probability that her being ordered by a court judge to cease her abusive behavior would not induce her to cease that behavior.
 * Antaeus Feldspar 18:15, 10 October 2005 (UTC) Ms. Schwarz's very first statement to me started "You are an idiot, Feldspar. Try to learn about due process. Appeal rights are for anybody. Looks you are a German, a member of Tilman's OPC gang, and you think I should be treated righless like a Jew." I don't even know what "OPC" is supposed to stand for.

Response
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Outside view by McClenon
As of 17:58, 9 October 2005 (UTC), this RfC has been certified by only one editor. It has been endorsed by two, but is not properly certified unless the endorser will change their signature to a certification that they have also tried to resolve the issue.

Also, why not post this to WP:VIP instead, if the edits are considered to be vandalism, or to WP:ANI, if they are in some other way clearly in bad faith?

Users who endorse this summary (sign with ~ ):
 * 1) Robert McClenon 17:58, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
 * 2) Soltak | Talk 23:36, 9 October 2005 (UTC) I've reviewed a bit of the evidence and it seem clear that this dispute would be better off at WP:VIP
 * 3) Nikitchenko 21:38, 11 October 2005 (UTC) Endorsing McClenon's view.  Take it to WP:VIP.  The complaining cabal needs to grow up a little.
 * This must be the first time I've ever read this. I've seen it go the other way plenty of times, that an editor unhappy with someone else's edits squints his eyes, pretends it's "vandalism" when it's not, and reports it at WP:VIP.  That is frequently considered childish behavior on the part of the reporter.  I have never before seen people accused of "need[ing] to grow up a little" for not interpreting personal attacks on them as vandalism, and I must admit I find myself puzzled why anyone would think it immature behavior to bend over backwards to give a problematic user's behavior the benefit of the doubt. -- Antaeus Feldspar 16:37, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I do not share your opinion, my endorsement remains. --Nikitchenko 12:35, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

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