Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Braaad

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Statement of the dispute
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Description
User first edit was on 30 October 2005, which was an attempt to enter incorrect information into the entry for Civil Air Patrol about what the Boy Scouts of America Eagle Scout award is equivalent to. Editor Vandy reverted this edit on 6 November 2005 with the edit sumary reading "Corrected mistake. The military considers the Mitchell, not the Spaatz, to be the Eagle equivalent. Check with your recruiter."

User again attempted to enter the same information on 10 November 2005, and was reverted by editor Linuxbeak on 14 November 2005 with the edit summary reading "rv back; sorry guys. The Mitchell is the Eagle equivilant and you need to have the FO graphics before you change those grades around"

User again attemped to enter the same information on 17 November 2005, and was reverted by editor Linuxbeak on 18 November 2005 with the edit summary reading "rv; please see talk page."

At this point, user decided to enter the discussion assuming that they were right, believing that the edits were made in bad faith. The user also attempted to "throw their weight around" by announcing their claimed status within Civil Air Patrol and how they must be right "I have been a member of CAP for over 18 years and the Commander of a CAP Cadet Squadron for many of them and I can assure you that I am correct in my facts!!! Please do not change it back!!! Thank you!!"

After attempts by Linuxbeak to obtain supporting documentation from this user, I entered the discussion on 29 November 2005 by reformatting the talk page and adding my contribution. I was immediately insulted by the following remarks "Keep your personal comments to yourself. I called--did you?? {If you would like to investigate this matter further please contact CAP Nat'l HQ Cadet Program at (334) 953-7568 or via eMail at keasterling@capnhq.gov"

Linuxbeak now intervened as an administrator, with a message on my talk page about "Bullying from User:Braaad" stating "If Braaad continues to try to push you around, please let me know on my user talk page. I do not care if he (or she) is correct, because I want what is correct to be placed in the article. However, he or she has absolutely no right to try to tell you to keep your comments to yourself.". After receiving warnings from Linuxbeak about his threatening tone, I attempted to prove just how wrong the user was once and for all.

After this, the user reverts to edit warring, deletion of previous comments he has made as well as warnings left by administrators, and verbal harrassment both on the Talk:Civil Air Patrol page (though the complete discussion is archived at Talk:Civil Air Patrol/Mitchell vs. Spaatz vs. Eagle Scout) as well as various user talk pages including User talk:68.112.201.90, User talk:Braaad, User talk:Linuxbeak, User talk:McNeight and User talk:GMHenninger.

User has had his edits reverted by the following editors:
 * User:Vandy
 * User:Linuxbeak
 * User:McNeight
 * User:Rogerd
 * User:Xaosflux (see message on the talk page)
 * User:Randy Johnston
 * User:Cynicism addict
 * User:Nlu
 * User:DanielCD
 * User:Freakofnurture
 * User:Adashiel
 * User:GMHenninger
 * User:Peter McGinley

Among the users many grand claims are that:
 * Claims his name is Major Roger Healey, although either intentionally or by chance this is also the name of a major character from I Dream Of Jeannie (played by Bill Daily)
 * Claims to currently be a Major in the Civil Air Patrol, then later admits that "I don't wear a uniform any more---I feel it is just a substitute for real authority"
 * Claims to be Commander of a Civil Air Patrol squadron, in spite of claim above
 * Claims to have an IQ of 153 and be "a bitter old man with nothing to fill my life with but this kind of petty nonsense", although arguements tend to take on the same tone as that of an 8 year old
 * Claims his user talk page is his and all edits on it are "vandalism" or "illegal"

Evidence of disputed behavior
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 * 1) Talk:Civil Air Patrol:, , , , , , , , ,
 * 2) Talk:Civil Air Patrol/Mitchell vs. Spaatz vs. Eagle Scout:
 * 3) User talk:68.112.201.90:, , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , ,
 * 4) User talk:Braaad:, , ,

Applicable policies
{list the policies that apply to the disputed conduct}
 * What Wikipedia is not
 * No personal attacks
 * Three-revert rule
 * Civility
 * Sock puppet

Evidence of trying and failing to resolve the dispute
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 * 1) Talk:Civil Air Patrol: ,
 * 2) User talk:68.112.201.90: ,
 * 3) User talk:McNeight:

Users certifying the basis for this dispute
{Users who tried and failed to resolve the dispute}

(sign with ~ )
 * McNeight 23:34, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Grant 08:23, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Alex Schenck (that's Linuxbeak to you) 22:02, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Other users who endorse this summary
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 * &mdash;Wrathchild (talk) 20:55, 27 January 2006 (UTC). NAVCRUIT 1133.101 seems to have been created to validate changes to Civil Air Patrol. (As if we couldn't read article logs and would use one article to source another.) After I added a WP:CSD tag on that article, I received a harrassing message from a sockpuppet on my talk page.
 * Robert McClenon 18:49, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Response
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Users who endorse this summary (sign with ~ ):

I have just seen MORE of McNeight's attacks against me---and I feel that I should just quit visiting Wikipedia at all. PLEASE cease and desist from sending me any more new messages; I won't respond if nobody posts anything about me. Now that is a great deal for everybody---what do you say?? Actually---don't say anything and I will just disappear. No comments, no sock puppets, no hassles; you just stop posting anything to this page and you will NEVER hear from me again. The fact the McNeight has taken SO much time to vadalize my posts and then write up pages of complaints is rather frieghtening to me. I don't want or need to be harassed in this fashion. 68.112.201.90 14:59, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

It's been MORE than 48 hours and I still see this page---what's that about?? Braaad 14:44, 21 December 2005 (UTC) QUOTE: If this does not happen within 48 hours of the creation of this dispute page (which was: 23:34, 13 December 2005 (UTC)), the page will be deleted. The current date and time is:, 29 July 2024 (UTC).

McNeight CLEARLY bears a personal and perhaps DANGEROUS grudge against me for not bowing down to his perceived superiority. I am still waiting for the resolution of this -RFC- will I be put in the stocks?? Or will McNeighjt just keep find ways to delete my user page---I susupect he is a sock puppet of  130.76.32.15 and 130.76.32.23 Thank you all for your kindness and generosity! Braaad 14:49, 21 December 2005 (UTC) aka 68.112.201.90

Outside view
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Users who endorse this summary (sign with ~ ):

Outside view by McClenon
I became aware of this user because he posted an unsigned statement on Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment saying that the threats by McNeight were scaring him. He did not provide an appropriate diff. In further research, I saw no evidence of incivility by McNeight, but a record of incivility by Braaad.

Braaad: Please familiarize yourself with WP:CIVIL and related policies if you wish to participate in Wikipedia.

Users who endorse this summary (sign with ~ ):
 * 1) Robert McClenon 18:54, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Outside View by user:OnceBitten
As an objective bystander in this matter, and having read the various comments, I really do not believe that user:Braad has an understanding of this process, the opportunity it presents for him to address the concerns and work towards a solution. User:Braad's most recent addition to this process demanding that the page be deleted, and his reasoning behind the demand indicate simply validate his contested behavior. OnceBitten 22:56, 21 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Actually---all I want deleted are the obnoxious taglines that McNeight added to MY posts!! &mdash;preceding unsigned comment by 68.112.201.90 (talk &bull; contribs). The POLICY of Wikipedia does NOT require anyone to sign their posts!! In a democratic society one shouldn't be FORCED to comply to the whims of anyone---even the majority!!  The rules are on my side and the fact that his -cry for help- has been largely ignored by everyone seems to tell me that he IS actually the one breaking the vandalism rules by adding something that HE thinks is required to MY posts!! Braaad 09:56, 23 December 2005 (UTC) aka 68.112.201.90   (That's right I have a sock puppet---which is also NOT against any POLICY!!!)  As McNeight put it, I may be a "loud-mouthed bully" but he is extremely and perhaps dangerously, obsessed with having things HIS way!!  Kind of seems like the 8-year old he claimed I was!!!  Shockingly rude!!

Ya know---if you REALLY read this diatribe two things become clear: I was a rude fool and McNeight is dangerously obsessed with me. I am concerned about his cyberstalking of me and hope he isn't violent or in need of any psychotropic medication. Braaad 16:03, 27 December 2005 (UTC) &mdash;preceding unsigned comment by 68.112.201.90 (talk &bull; contribs).

Discussion
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