Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Certified.Gangsta

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RfC (deleted Feb 19) restored to ease up ani thread. It will be, however, redeleted in 48 hour unless pertinent conditions are met. El_C 00:53, 16 March 2007 (UTC)



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Statement of the dispute
Certified.Gangsta consistently chooses to revert war rather than participating in discussion. He also loves to label reverts as "minor". When discussing he fails to understand points presented to him and does not yield to consensus. Please note that he has previously edited under the name. --Ideogram 05:05, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Note: He previously edited under the following names:

Desired outcome
Certified.Gangsta to cease revert-warring. Participate in discussion of all controversial changes in good faith. Yield to consensus when it is against him.

Evidence of disputed behavior

 * Revert warring on Culture of Taiwan one
 * Revert warring on Culture of Taiwan two
 * Revert warring on Talk:Culture of Taiwan one
 * Revert warring on Talk:Culture of Taiwan two
 * Revert warring on Talk:Culture of Taiwan three
 * Revert warring on Talk:Culture of Taiwan four
 * Revert warring on Talk:Culture of Taiwan five
 * Revert warring on Talk:Culture of Taiwan six
 * Revert warring on Talk:Culture of Taiwan seven
 * Revert warring on Talk:Culture of Taiwan eight You get the idea, the whole history is filled with it.
 * Revert warring on Chinese reunification one
 * Revert warring on Chinese reunification two

A quick scan through his contributions will reveal many other examples. --Ideogram 05:05, 19 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Block log (see )

Applicable policies and guidelines

 * Consensus
 * Edit war
 * Three-revert rule
 * Assume good faith
 * No personal attacks
 * Civility

Evidence of trying and failing to resolve the dispute

 * Gangsta's initial attempt to remove Culture of Taiwan from WikiProject:China.
 * Reverted.
 * Gangsta's revert.
 * Reverted by a different editor.
 * Gangsta's second revert.
 * Reverted.
 * Gangsta's third revert.
 * Reverted.
 * Gangsta's fourth revert.
 * Reverted, with attempt at discussion.
 * Gangsta's fifth revert, also reverting the attempt at discussion off the page.
 * Reverted.
 * Gangsta's sixth revert, again reverting everything posted since his initial edit.
 * Reverted by a third user.
 * Gangsta's seventh revert, again reverting everything posted since his initial edit.
 * Reverted.
 * Gangsta's eighth revert, same thing.
 * Reverted
 * More attempted discussion.
 * Gangsta answers, but removes the contested tag at the same time.
 * Reverted by a fourth user.
 * Discussion by fourth user and replacement of accidentally deleted answer from Gangsta.
 * Gangsta answers but still removes the disputed tag.
 * Reverted.
 * Deleted answer replaced, and replied to.
 * Gangsta removes the tag again while asserting he will continue to edit war.
 * Tag removed, and reply.
 * Gangsta again removes the tag while replying.
 * Tag replaced, and reply.
 * Gangsta removes tag while replying.
 * Tag replaced, and call for anyone who agrees with Gangsta to speak up.
 * Fifth user disagrees with Gangsta.
 * Gangsta removes tag while replying.
 * Tag replaced, and reply.
 * Gangsta removes tag while replying.
 * Tag replaced by sixth user.
 * Gangsta's umpteenth revert.
 * Reverted.
 * Gangsta reverts.
 * Seventh user reverts.
 * Gangsta reverts.
 * Reverted.
 * Gangsta reverts.
 * Eighth user reverts.
 * Gangsta reverts
 * Reverted.
 * Gangsta reverts.
 * Ninth user reverts.


 * Finally Gangsta gives up. Note that at no time did anyone else agree with Gangsta.


 * Gangsta's initial replacement of "English" with "British" at Michelle Marsh (model).
 * Reverted.
 * Gangsta reverts.
 * Reverted by second user.
 * Gangsta reverts.
 * Reverted.
 * Gangsta reverts.
 * Reverted.
 * Gangsta reverts.
 * Reverted.
 * Gangsta reverts.
 * Third user reverts.
 * Gangsta reverts.
 * Someone tries to discuss.
 * Gangsta replies.
 * Gangsta gets reverted.
 * Gangsta reverts.
 * Reverted.
 * Gangsta reverts.
 * Fourth user reverts.
 * Gangsta reverts.
 * Attempted discussion and revert.
 * Gangsta replies and reverts.
 * Revert and reply.
 * Further attempt to discuss.
 * Gangsta replies and reverts.
 * Discussion.
 * Gangsta gets reverted.
 * Gangsta reverts and replies, something about a "nationalistic conspiracy".
 * Gangsta gets reverted.
 * Gangsta reverts.
 * Reverted.
 * Gangsta reverts.
 * Discussion, and fifth user reverts.
 * Gangsta reverts.
 * Note again that at no time did any other user agree with Gangsta.
 * Gangsta's initial attempt to remove Taiwanese-Americans from List of Chinese Americans.
 * More removals by Gangsta.
 * Reverted, and discussion attempt.
 * Gangsta adds note to all Taiwanese Americans: "(Note: Whether Taiwanese Americans are consider Chinese is a controversial political issue)".
 * Reverted.
 * Gangsta replies to discussion and removes a large number of names.
 * Reverted, and replied.
 * Gangsta reverts and replies.
 * Reverted and discussion.
 * Gangsta reverts.
 * Reverted.
 * Gangsta reverts.
 * Second user reverts.
 * Gangsta reverts.
 * Reverted.
 * Gangsta reverts.
 * Reverted.
 * Gangsta reverts. Note that he reverts a perfectly good, uncontroversial addition in between here, forcing that editor to re-enter the information.
 * Reverted.
 * Gangsta reverts.
 * Reverted.
 * Gangsta reverts.
 * Reverted.
 * Gangsta reverts.
 * Reverted.
 * Gangsta reverts.
 * Reverted.
 * Gangsta reverts.
 * Reverted, and discussion. Note that Gangsta never replied to the last attempt at discussion.
 * Gangsta reverts and replies.
 * Reverted.
 * Another editor disagrees with Gangsta.
 * Gangsta replies and reverts.
 * Discussion and Gangsta gets reverted.
 * Gangsta replies.
 * Discussion, compromise proposal.
 * Gangsta seems to agree, then edits unopposed for nine days. Many names removed.


 * Things are quiet for a while after that. I don't have the energy to continue tracing this at this time.


 * Note that I have never seen Gangsta cite any sources or policy to support his edits during these disputes (feel free to check for yourself).


 * You are also welcome to look through his contributions trying to find any that are productive. Pretty much all his contributions are edit-warring.

Dutch and Spanish influence on Culture of Taiwan

 * add my reason on article change
 * gangsta reverts and then gives this half-answer

Racist personal attacks

 * Gangsta make personal attacks
 * An admin reverted
 * Gangsta reverts
 * An admin reverted
 * Gangsta reverts
 * An admin reverted
 * Gangsta reverts
 * A different admin reverted
 * Gangsta reverts
 * An admin reverted
 * Gangsta reverts
 * An admin reverted
 * An admin protected the page

Finally Gangsta gives up. Note that at no time did anyone else agree with Gangsta.

You are welcome to look through his contributions. Pretty much all his contributions are edit-warring.

Users certifying the basis for this dispute
{Users who tried and failed to resolve the dispute}


 * --Ideogram 05:05, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Blueshirts 02:21, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Other users who endorse this summary

 * Similar experiences at Talk:List_of_Chinese_Americans. Ben Aveling 12:07, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Similar experiences at Talk:Taiwanese_American, Senkaku Islands, Wang Wei (pilot). Sumple (Talk) 05:29, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Similar experiences at Talk:Double_Ten_Day. Wl219 03:38, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * The summary of the situation at Michelle Marsh (model) is accurate. Nandesuka 01:26, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Similar experiences at Talk:Legal status of Taiwan,[] Redcloud822 18:06, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Response
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Outside view by Anonymous Coward


There's two points that I'd like to make. The image may be silly, but I'm serious about the issue:
 * 1) This RFC has been around for a while and has been advertised in several places. Not many users chose to comment, indicating that the Ideogram-Gangsta show is a distraction, a sideshow, not something that's pressing or worth commenting on.
 * 2) Ideogram has an unpleasantly belligerent attitude   and must remember that Wikipedia isn't a battleground.

Comment by
Certified.Gansta is a racist China basher. [] Certified.Gansta should be banned. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Redcloud822 (talk • contribs).

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