Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Cornish people

Cornish people page
I feel i am comming in for some pretty unfair treatment on the Cornish people page and that double standards are being applied to the numbers of Cornish on this page as opposed to the numbers of English on the English people page

For example there are a group of users who have a big problem with the 250000 estimated figure for numbers of Cornish (who think of themselves as cornish).

However just look at the numbers estimated for English people:

'''English Total population: c. 110 million Significant populations in: Great Britain: 50 million

United States: 30 million (est) Canada: 15 million (est) Australia: 10 million (est) South Africa: 3 million (est) South America: 2 million (est) Ireland: c. 105,000''' There is no explination for these figures or questions raised, that shows real double standars.

Bretagne 44 17:53, 26 September 2005 (UTC)


 * It seems that Bretagne 44 likes to play with the truth. There are sources to support these figures. Specifically the figures in the Canada and USA sections are from the websites: EuroAmericans.net and the 2001 Canadian Census. As for the other figures, they are from religion. English people are usually adherents of the Church of England. Only the English follow this religion. So technically if one finds that there are about X adherents of this religion in say Ireland or Argentina, what does that mean? We know that the Argentineans and the Irish are CERTAINLY not followers of the Church of English, they are Roman Catholics. Of course, I didn't compile that data, someone else did, however that is how he/she operated. It may not be the most reliable of methods as people intermarry, but it gives us an estimate. Also, Bretagne 44 you shouldn't have requested Meditation without informing us. Such tactics are cowardly and reveal someone who has no sources to support his arguments. I have repeatedly asked you on Talk:Cornish people to provide sources to support your claims that there are 250,000 Cornish people. You failed to do so. What do you expect me to do? Wikipedia policy requires it; this is not double standards. You may not like the truth; but the truth rarely pleases everyone. GrandfatherJoe 21:25, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

So GrandfatherJoe, aside from your insults, are you saying that 50 million people in England are English? The total population of England is English? Do you think it OK to use the total population of England as the indicator for the numbers of English in England. If that is the case then for the Cornish people page the total population of Cornwall should be used for the numbers of Cornish?.

Secondly it is not my claim that there are 250,000 Cornish people so what are you going on about. All i have added of late is that a recent survey found that 44% of the Cornish populace thought themselves Cornish rather than British or English.

according to a recent Morgan Stanley Bank survey, 44 per cent of the inhabitants of Cornwall believe themselves to be Cornish rather than British or English  Bretagne 44 16:20, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Bretagne 44 16:16, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

I am all quite new to this so if you could explain the procedure for what you have done i would be very thankful Bretagne 44 16:40, 27 September 2005 (UTC)


 * I am moving this from WP:RFM to WP:RfC. R  e  dwolf24  (talk) 01:16, 27 September 2005 (UTC)


 * It seems impossible to me to estimate the number of English (or Cornish) people, without at least first agreeing on the definition of an English (or Cornish) person. Try the following: I live in France.  I do not follow any religion.  My parents are mixed: Scottish and English.  One of my grandparents was German.  Am I English?  I think I am British or European.  I would not classify myself as English.  And my passport says British.  So.. all in all... I think you need to allow one another a degree of leniency until such time as there is a precise and agreed definition of Cornish.  Hope this helps! Marcus22 13:55, 1 November 2005 (UTC)