Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Either way


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Statement of the dispute
This administrator has misused his powers, tending to follow around selected users and revert their edits, while at the same time causing stress in the said user.

Desired outcome
At the very least, he should be prohibited from reverting edits made by certain users.

Description
He has reverted too many good faith edits by certain users, such as me. He also cannot be reasoned with, attempts to reason with him often go nowhere.

Evidence of disputed behavior
(Provide diffs. Links to entire articles aren't helpful unless the editor created the entire article. Edit histories also aren't helpful as they change as new edits are performed.)
 * ,, - examples of easily-challenged reverts
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 * - made a threat to me
 * Behavior has been complained about by multiple users.
 * More complaints.
 * Following users' contribs and harrassing them by causing disruption and misusing authority.
 * Mocking users.
 * - accusing me of POV violation when someone else had reverted earlier (also taking the word of an anon over that of a registered user)
 * - stated his intent to hound me
 * more WP:HOUND madness

Applicable policies and guidelines
{list the policies and guidelines that apply to the disputed conduct}
 * WP:AGF
 * WP:HOUND
 * WP:Harrassment
 * WP:NOTCENSORED/WP:PRESERVE - applies because Either way is trying to prevent certain information from appearing

Evidence of trying to resolve the dispute
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Evidence of failing to resolve the dispute
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Users certifying the basis for this dispute
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 * 1) This user has been WikiHounding me as well for several months now.  Either way's behavior is entirely inappropriate and I suggest something be done immediately.  This issue has already been raised with him, but has not stopped.  He has claimed previously to have been "checking his watchlist".  However, he has nominated perfectly good and informative articles of mine, that he has played no role in, for deletion, and followed my contributions in general.  He's also tried to cause trouble around my areas of work by removing fully sourced information.  Recently he's also been hanging around my RfA and tried to push for oppose !votes.  I have no problem with an oppose, but replying to support !votes to convince people to oppose is inappropriate.  I'm extremely stressed and tired because of this repeated harrassment.  Therefore, I ask that he stop following our contribs, whether it be voluntary or by authority.   -  down  load  ׀  sign!  02:55, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * 2)  NeutralHomer •  Talk  • 23:05, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Response
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Outside view
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Outside view by MC10
I've seen either way around because I know download in real life. Sometimes I support him, including his AFDs: 1 2 3. However, I think that he is overlooking the edits of download, FMAFan1990, Neutralhomer, and others I may not know about. Especially download because of his recent RFA. either way should step back a little, but he shouldn't be desysopped because of this.  M C  10  &#124;  Sign here!  02:48, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Important links: Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents, User_talk:Either_way

Users who endorse this summary:
 * 1)  M  C  10  &#124;  Sign here!  02:48, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Outside view by SheffieldSteel
No evidence of problematic behaviour has been shown in the diffs above. The reverts are fairly typical content dispute reversions. There is a perfectly reasonable good faith answer to the claims of stalking or hounding, which is that User:Either way responds to perceived patterns of problematic edits by checking other editors' contributions. This is to be expected of admins. S HEFFIELD S TEEL TALK 14:30, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Users who endorse this summary:
 * 1) Binksternet (talk) 16:15, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * 2) ThaddeusB (talk) 21:10, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * 3)  Them  From  Space  23:11, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * 4) Daniel (talk) 03:54, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * 5) Kcowolf (talk) 05:27, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * 6) – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 18:16, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * 7) admin and editor doing normal things - Can't see any substance to the complaint - Peripitus (Talk) 00:39, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 * 8) Cunard (talk) 00:01, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
 * 9) No basis for dispute. Agree totally with SheffieldSteel. Peter Symonds ( talk ) 22:04, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
 * 10) Collect (talk) 22:08, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
 * 11)  Yinta ɳ   22:12, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
 * 12) -Djsasso (talk) 22:53, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
 * 13) trying to AGF with this RFC but totally agree with Sheffield here StarM 01:54, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
 * 14) Pile on. Checking the other contributions of someone with a history of problem contributions is what people should be doing. –  iride scent   19:17, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
 * 15) As far as I am concerned, this is a frivolous RfC. — neuro  (talk)  08:31, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Outside view by Binksternet
Exemplary editing work. After a thorough examination of the above diffs, I must applaud Either way's style of editing in that, once an editor who adds trivial or poorly supported material is identified, Either way checks in regularly on that editor's work to see if more such material is being added. The best I can recommend here is that the editors who add trivia should take this as a learning experience. Binksternet (talk) 16:15, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Users who endorse this summary:
 * 1)  Them  From  Space  23:12, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * 2) Daniel (talk) 03:54, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * 3) Cunard (talk) 00:01, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
 * 4)  Peter Symonds ( talk ) 22:04, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
 * 5)  Yinta ɳ   22:12, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
 * 6) -Djsasso (talk) 22:53, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
 * 7) Meetare Shappy Cunkelfratz! 22:03, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
 * 8) —  neuro  (talk)  08:23, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Outside view by Dayewalker
I don't see the problem. After looking at the original diffs, it doesn't seem that Either way has done anything out of the ordinary. He's removed trivia that I would also have taken out of the article. He's improved the quality of the article with each of the DIFFs above. As for accusations of hounding, it's certainly not out of the ordinary to look the contributions of someone introducing inappropriate material to an article to make sure they're not doing the same in other places. I have no problem with his edits. Dayewalker (talk) 19:28, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Users who endorse this summary:
 * Hey, that's what I said :-)  S HEFFIELD S TEEL TALK 19:45, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) Sign me up. Binksternet (talk) 19:54, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * 2)  Them  From  Space  23:12, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * 3) Daniel (talk) 03:54, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * 4) Kcowolf (talk) 05:27, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * 5) – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 18:16, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * 6) Cunard (talk) 00:01, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
 * 7) Collect (talk) 21:41, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
 * 8)  Peter Symonds ( talk ) 22:05, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
 * 9) -Djsasso (talk) 22:53, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
 * 10)  Yinta ɳ   22:55, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
 * 11) Again, joining the pile on. Checking the other contributions of someone with a history of problem contributions is what people should be doing. –  iride scent  19:18, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
 * 12) Lordwow (talk) 17:33, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
 * 13) As far as I am concerned, this is a frivolous RfC. — neuro  (talk)  08:31, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

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Summary
No basis for admonition found; nearly unanimous agreement that none is merited. Closed per agreement on talk. ÷seresin 06:04, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
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