Wikipedia:Requests for comment/EmilEikS


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Note:
 * ✅ =  = . I'll let the community decide their fates.  — Rlevse •  Talk  • 12:01, 30 November 2008 (UTC)  Jehochman Talk 15:47, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I have blocked Fiandonca which was used contrary to WP:SOCK. EmilEik was declared and not used deceptively.  I would normally block the main account for one to two weeks, but have decided not to this time so they can participate here. Jehochman Talk 15:58, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

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Statement of the dispute
Issues with User:EmilEikS regarding overall overt and implied behavior which is contentious and disruptive to the project.

Desired outcome
User:EmilEikS needs to become familiar with the cooperative editing concept, cease the dramatics and contentious behavior and accusations, stop viewing someone who disagrees with his views or editing as an enemy, stop looking for trouble when none exists, stop the attempts to game the administrators and shop talk pages for backing and absolutely cease the "fear because we know who he is" dramatics. He is a newer editor and his conduct to date has been disruptive, contentious and stress-causing. If he cannot work with others, then he needs to either voluntarily stop editing or be stopped.
 * Addition: Given that this editor has refused to participate in this process, and his "blanket apology" that, to me, has no ring of sincerity to it, but instead is basically throwing a bone if someone thinks he's made an error, is no real acknowledgement of the problems he's created. He created his own "policy" which seems to override Wikipedia's. My feeling has changed on this and I truly feel like he has no place in the Wikipedia community. Wildhartlivie (talk) 02:54, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Second addition: With the confirmation that User:EmilEikS and User:Fiandonca were editing from the same location, confirming sock puppetry, and the evidence from #1, #2 and #3, below, plus the refusal of User:EmilEikS to participate here, as evidenced by his removal and note about his personal talk page policy here, and his contentious reply to the sock puppet notice which he left on User:Jehochman's talk page here, it seems clear that he is a disruptive editor and I would suggest that User:EmilEikS be blocked. Wildhartlivie (talk) 17:30, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Description
Issues with User:EmilEikS regarding overall overt and implied personal attacks, WP:DRAMA, disruptive editing, incivility, failure to assume good faith, disruption to make a point, making unfounded accusations (such as ownership and cabalism), contentiousness over minor issues which end up being blown totally and completely out of proportion to the overall project, trying to game administrators by cross-posting identical accusations, cross-posting one side of a user talk page discussion to the same pages, deriving perceived "threats" and "fears" from them, and a possible sock puppet regarding other usernames of User:EmilEik and User:Fiandonca.

Evidence of disputed behavior
1. Personal attacks launched beginning with a disagreement with my removing a flag icon per MOS:FLAGS, on Mae West. Attacks, both overt and more subtle include: This confrontational message was left for me, and a nearly identical message but embellished left on the Mae West talk page by User:Fiandonca that accused me of ownership, pleasing the religious right (?), and apparently being unpatriotic. I responded to User:EmilEikS here and to User:Fiandonca here. User:EmilEikS posted a response to me, making accusations that I was throwing around my weight, referencing the images he and "his organization" had released to public domain, and claiming that I was threatening him. This continued and escalated from User:EmilEikS and at one point he accused me of talking down to him. Rather than respond to my statement that I wasn't, User:Fiandonca responded to it here.

2. User:Fiandonca posted a rant when she claimed that I twice ignored "the humble wishes of this image contributor were not respected, by you, through your speedy edit of the caption." Note that Fiandonca has never edited the Mae West page. Soon after, User:EmilEikS responded about being talked down to here, after which another editor left a WP:NPA notice on his page, to which he replied with a "fair warning". Across all of this, both User:Fiandonca and User:EmilEikS made rude warnings to more than one editor "not to talk to me again". At this point, I questioned the congruence between contribution claims, postings and "don't talk to me" admonitions. Other editors then posted comments on the behavior displayed and stating that they saw no rudeness or attacks in my comments.

3. User:Fiandonca then posted what could have been perceived as a legal threat which was questioned by administrator User:Garion96 here, to which Fiandonca then attacked me once again. User:Garion96 replied and. At this point, User:EmilEikS made his first accusation of cabalism. Three of the editors, myself included, noted that we all saw signs of potential sock puppetry in the exchanges. Soon thereafter, Fiandonca "retired".

4. This past weekend, I noted that User:EmilEikS pronounced the Mae West article fully referenced, at which point User:Pinkadelica and I  responded. User:EmilEikS then cross posted requests to three adminstrators, accusing both User:Pinkadelica and myself of cabalism, ownership and apparently plotting and planning against him.,, I responded on each page, mostly because of implied attacks and stated accusations. User:Kingturtle gave his opinion, requesting fact tags for sources needed., which I did, and to which User:EmilEikS objected and I responded, after which he announced he was "done" with the page, apparently because I responded to him and made another of many comments by him and User:Fiandonca that I employ a username. 

5. On 21 November, User:LaVidaLoca placed maintenance tags on two articles written by User:EmilEikS and made a minor edit to an article created by User:EmilEikS, to which he strenuously objected, and posted personal notes at the heading of each page, accusing that editor of vandalism. He also cross-posted accusations of vandalism, sabotage and "personal retaliation". ,,  Little response was gained from those posts, except for some very wise words from User:Howcheng.

6. User:Momoricks and I had exchanged posts about a prior issue with another user who was banned (User:Werdnawerdna) and her work on Texas Chainsaw Massacre. I commented that the Werdnawerdna issue wasn't as bad or stressful as what had gone on over the above discussed flag icon issue and she commented on her opinion of the TCM film. I saw that she had added the WP Biography project template to one of the articles (Jacob Truedson Demitz) and I suggested to her the class and priority assessment levels the article met. I absolutely did not even consider assessing the article personally, although I actively do article assessments nearly daily. User:EmilEikS became contentious over the ratings, claiming the rating was gratuitous and suggesting it cast aspersions upon himself as the author and the article subject, looked at User talk:Momoricks and cross-posted only my side of the conversation across three administrator talk pages, , , the article talk page in question  which I removed because of the inappropriateness of posting such on an article talk page, and also filed a WP:BLP report at WP:BLP/N ,and responding to my posting about by claiming once again cabalism, purposely misrepresented my level of involvement on the Mae West article, accused me of holding up that article for 6 years, claimed that he was being personally threatened and accused User:Momoricks of attempting the same thing on the Demitz article.

Applicable policies and guidelines
{list the policies and guidelines that apply to the disputed conduct}
 * personal attacks
 * WP:DRAMA
 * WP:DE
 * WP:CIVIL
 * Failure to assume good faith
 * WP:POINT
 * Accusations of WP:OWN
 * Accusations of cabalism
 * WP:GAME
 * WP:SOCK
 * WP:NOTBATTLEGROUND

Evidence of trying to resolve the dispute

 * 1. I attempted to discuss the ratings suggestion with him at Talk:Jacob Truedson Demitz and told him three times to feel free to request a reassessment. That was not done. The assessment ratings were supported both on the article talk page and at the BLP/N page,.


 * 2. He has been told by more than one editor, besides myself, to not take these issues personally,, yet he continues to do so and launches somewhat subtle personal attacks and disruption against other editors involved who are working in good faith on articles. For what it is worth, User:Pinkadelica, User:Rossrs (who made some comments in the initial flag icon issue), User:Momoricks, myself and a few other uninvolved editors all work together quite congenially across many articles and projects and have never had any WP discussions on article issues that weren't civil, polite and calm and seem to have that sort of relationship with the majority of editors on Wikipedia, yet all of us had encountered issues from User:EmilEikS.


 * 3. Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive494


 * 4. I (User:Momoricks) added a note here to User talk:EmilEikS, which asked him to practice civility, good faith and neutral point of view. I also suggested that he look at the tendentious editing essay. Three minutes later, User:EmilEikS removed my note from his talk page here and has not responded to my note on his talk page nor mine as of now.


 * 5. I (User:Momoricks) interpreted the removal of my note and lack of response as a refusal to consider my suggestions, which led me to post an ANI notice (evidence #3). I posted an ANI notice template on User talk:EmilEikS here. User:EmilEikS removed the ANI notice template here and to my knowledge, did not participate in the ANI notice discussion.


 * 6. User:EmilEikS removed the note inviting him to respond to this Rfc and replaced it with a note entitled "Contentiousness" here.

Users certifying the basis for this dispute
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 * Wildhartlivie (talk) 06:12, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 *  momoricks   make my day  18:43, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Other users who endorse this summary

 *  Pinkadelica Say it...  08:06, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Rossrs (talk) 09:18, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
 * EdJohnston (talk) 17:08, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Viriditas (talk) 02:19, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

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User retired on 1 December 2008.
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