Wikipedia:Requests for comment/L0b0t

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Statement of the dispute
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Desired outcome
I want L0b0t to stop calling my edits vandalism, and to engage in discussion on his talk page as opposed to hostile blanking.

Description
L0b0t is treating good faith edits as vandalism - reverting them with nothing more than "rvv." He also is uncivil on his talk page, deleting sections without response.

Evidence of disputed behavior
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 * Talk page incivility
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This is a pattern of behavior that dates back to L0b0t's first edit to his talk page.
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After the filing of this RFC

 * Wikipedia as a battleground
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Applicable policies and guidelines
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 * WP:CIVIL
 * WP:AGF
 * "There will be people on Wikipedia with whom you disagree. Even if they're wrong, that doesn't mean they're trying to wreck the project."
 * WP:TALK
 * "Archive — don't delete: When a talk page has become too large or a particular subject is no longer being discussed, don't delete the content — archive it."


 * WP:VAND
 * "Any good-faith effort to improve the encyclopedia, even if misguided or ill-considered, is not vandalism."

After the filing of this RFC

 * WP:NOT
 * "When a conflict continues to bother you or others, adhere to the procedures of dispute resolution."

Evidence of trying and failing to resolve the dispute
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Users certifying the basis for this dispute
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 * Hipocrite - &laquo; Talk &raquo; 14:46, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I asked him to be more careful, and he indicated that he thinks he's using the term only when applicable. However a purely casual glance at some of the diffs provided here show that he's incorrect in his belief.  Friday (talk) 00:42, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I asked this user to discontinue labeling good-faithed edits as vandalism but received no response other then an archiving 2 hours latter. This user strikes me as fairly aggressive in very unhelpful ways when confronted. Other then my general impressions I haven't had much dealings with this user. ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 15:19, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Other users who endorse this summary

 * Endorse Editor often edit wars, misrepresenting mere content disputes as "vandalism". --Milo H Minderbinder 14:24, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Response
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 * User:Friday has no standing to certify this RfC as I have had no contact or interaction with that user until after the filing of this RfC. User:Friday is not involved in this dispute.  Cheers. L0b0t 00:50, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
 * After going through the 1st 1000 or so contributions of User:Friday I have found that we have never even edited the same pages (with the exception the talk page of the user who brought this RfC against me, and some admin notice boards, and of course my talk page which User:Friday only posted on after the filing of this RfC.) Cheers. L0b0t 01:01, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

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Response by User:Codex Sinaiticus
User:Hipocrite who filed this rfc against L0b0t is himself rarely civil. He is also fond of citing 'pot v. kettle', but I think a more practical analogy is 'speck v. board' ፈቃደ (ውይይት) 15:38, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

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Semi-involved view from J.S
According to L0b0t's talk page he has retired from wikipedia... but in any event I think it's important to make these points for posterity.

Despite the fact that it's permitted, I find the archiving "style" of removing comments without a response to be highly incivil. If the comment was in violation of some policy (like WP:NPA etc) then I could understand... But thats not the case here. I don't want L0b0t to be forced into conforming into an archive style, but I think it's important to explain how some see it as rude and unnecessarily aggressive.
 * Archiving...

Proper edit summaries are quite important for a number of reasons. Explaining your edits helps prevent conflicts, creates a permeate record, makes reading the page history/contributions list easier to read. Edit summarys like "rvv" provide almost no information and are not even recommended for clear-cut cases of vandalism reverts.
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I'm not going to address the particulars of the disputed edits here except to say that I don't think Hypocrite's removal of the blog links was a good idea in the case of the Barrington Hall article. That being said, a good faith edit is never vandalism. Vandalism requires the intent to cause harm. Just because an edit is damaging doesn't make it de-facto vandalism. When dealing with established editors we must be extra careful to satisfy our own guidelines.
 * The difference between vandalism and good-faith but harmful edits...

---J.S (T/C/WRE) 15:56, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Users who endorse this summary:
 * 1) Hipocrite - &laquo; Talk &raquo; 16:09, 16 February 2007 (UTC) except I'm a big fan of my removal of blog links.
 * 2) Anchoress 21:56, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

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