Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Maoririder

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 * (Maoririder | talk | contributions)

Description
Maoririder has been contributing to Wikipedia in a fashion almost completely unique to him, and that, in its own way is extremely disruptive. He persists in adding articles consisting of one or two sentences, without regard to formatting or notability of the subject. Despite repeated offers of help and admonitions from fellow editors, he doesn't improve, despite assertions that he will. Several of the articles have been deleted, some speedily, others turned into redirects, and still others (with a 5-second google search) turned into worthwhile stubs. The problem is that his behaviour takes a toll on those forced to clean up after him, which half a dozen or so contributors have done.

In addition, many of his stubs and sub-stubs have been labeled with the deprecated template stub, although he has several times been pointed at the list of stub types. In other cases he has created new, improperly formed stub types, which would tend to disrupt the stub-sorting process. In yet other cases his stubs are not tagged as such.

He has frequently added the expand, wikify, and/or the cleanup tags to the talk pages of the articles he has created. He continues to do this after having been advised not to do so, and that instead he ought to do at least basic expansion and wikification himself.


 * In at least one recent instance (Randall Weems), he VfD'ed his own stub ON THE VERY FIRST EDIT. This is just non-sensicle.  ike9898 18:39, August 16, 2005 (UTC)


 * Maoririder has returned and created several more useless sub-stubs. I've added them to evidence section. Soltak 21:52, 16 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Comment: I am sure beyond reasonable doubt that new user User:Inquisitor911 is a sockpuppet.  Same kinds of nanostubs, childish subjects, some copyvios and (the thing that did it for me) trying to censor copyrighted lyrics of a rap song.  Not only that, I believe the user name to be inappropriate and I now plan on blocking this account for a bit. - Lucky 6.9 06:10, 21 August 2005 (UTC)


 * And now we have User:Newsreporter with almost the same name and virtually the same editing style. I'm retracting my statement regarding Inquisitor911, by the way.  Seems this one's for real. - Lucky 6.9 20:57, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Evidence of disputed behavior
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 * Budonny article changed to a redirect
 * Piggly Winks article changed into a redirect
 * Original version of Rob Minkoff article
 * Honker article, currently on VfD
 * Original version of Baxter Boulevard article, has been expanded and currently on VfD
 * Original version of Woodstock Elementary School article, since expanded
 * Original version of Deering Oaks, nominated for speedy deletion
 * WikiProject Stub sorting/Discoveries several of this user's new stub types, and the stub projects reaction to them, are documented here.
 * History of Bakery-stub
 * Template:Route-stub another pesudo-stub.
 * The original version of "Route 95"
 * Original version of Strider (novel)
 * The deleted "Kanas State Historical Society" (note the meaningless stub template)
 * "The Totnes Peace Group" - original edit. As above
 * "Popeye Jones" - original edit
 * Randall Weems, original edit
 * "Kiss My *** Club, currently on VFD
 * "Camp Ketcha" original edit
 * "Portland Pier" original edit

Applicable policies
{list the policies that apply to the disputed conduct}
 * WP:NOT

Evidence of trying and failing to resolve the dispute
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 * User talk:Maoririder- By my count there are over 50 warnings about creating short articles, creating stubs, formatting, and notability. He generally acknowledges them and then continues as he was.  Scimitar


 * It's unclear if Maoririder is a kid or perhaps mentally retarded, but it seems fairly apparent by now that no matter what we do, he will not be able to work within Wikipedia community standards, if only because he has so far shown no interest in conforming to those standards. I have tried being nice and helping him, as have numerous others, as it seems that his sub stubs are not hostile in nature, but if he cannot live up the community standards, he shouldn't be allowed to edit. If there is a way we can make him listen and learn, that would be wonderful, and i'd be the first one to sign up as a mentor. However, I sincerely doubt he will or is able to, and I don't expect a comment from him on here. Karmafist Just to clarify, Tony Sidaway has decided to transclude these comments in what I believe is a violation of WP:NPA here. I respond just below that and on his talk page. Karmafist 15:07, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Users who endorse this summary (sign with ~ ):
 * 1) Karmafist 22:01, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
 * 2) Lucky 6.9 22:29, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
 * 3) Soltak 22:36, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
 * 4) ESkog 23:10, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
 * 5) JimmyTheWig 08:14, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
 * 6) Scimitar parley 14:08, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
 * 7) Satori 15:29, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
 * 8) ike9898 17:02, August 17, 2005 (UTC)
 * 9) Trilobite 14:45, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

Users certifying the basis for this dispute
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 * Scimitar parley 18:04, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Lucky 6.9 18:33, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Soltak Talk 18:39, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Satori 19:30, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
 * ike9898 19:52, August 9, 2005 (UTC) - I agree with all of above, but think that it fails to capture an important aspect - the volume of Maoririders activity. One his talk page I documented a 2-hour period of time in which he created 28 stubs, nearly all of very low quality.  It really strains the system to have to clean up messes that are created so rapidly.
 * I added the sections on stub types and cleanup tags above. I first encountered this user on new page patrol, and have had a number of exchanges with him on his talk page. I cleaned up and expanded several of his articles, and nominted several more for deletion. I took several of his stub types to SfD. DES (talk) 11:02, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Karmafist 22:02, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Other users who endorse this summary
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 * Have not been previously involved, but reviewed Maoririder's contributions, and I concur with Scimitar's judgment. jglc | t | c 18:08, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I've noticed a lot of what Maoririder's been doing, and I think I've cleaned up after him a few times. I really don't think I can add anything that hasn't already been said on his talk page. About a thousand times. All I can say is that I get the impression he's a kid. I just hope it's true. -R. fiend 03:19, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Grutness 07:27, 11 August 2005 (UTC) - I added three of the meaningless stubs above (The Totnes Peace Group - "is a peace group - it works for peace." Come on. Kansas State Historical Society - "It shows things about Kansas's history." Well duh). They are a tiny proportion of Maoririder's prolific, deletable substubs, and his incorrectly formed stub templates are currently clogging up WP:SFD.
 * I concur with the judgment as well; I have noticed many of these pages on VfD and have been watching his talk page for the last few days - although I didn't feel I could say anything new that wouldn't be brushed off like the others. ESkog 16:12, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Perhaps this endorsement is late, because the case has moved into arbitration. I had only been waiting for the answer that did not come.  Robert McClenon 00:07, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Response
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Outside view by McClenon
Before I simply endorse the summary of this RfC, I would like to see what Maorider replies. In particular, I would like to know whether he creates the stubs with the intention that he will add to them, or that others will add to them. I would also like to know whether he has read the guidelines at Stub. It does appear that many of his stubs are not labeled as stubs, including some that are actually sub-stubs. A good stub should provide some indication of why the subject of the article should be mentioned in an encyclopedia.

If he is creating the stubs as a To-Do list for himself to provide adequate stub information, I would suggest that he maintain that list on his user page, or a sub-page of his user page, and move the stubs into article space when he has done enough research to make them useful stubs.

Users who endorse this summary (sign with ~ ):
 * 1) Robert McClenon 23:59, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

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Discussion
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