Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Muscovite99

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Statement of the dispute
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Muscovite99 has repeatedly engaged in blatant personal attacks, and shows no sign of stopping. He has also been engaged in edit warring.

Desired outcome
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Muscovite99 should stop engaging in disrupting editing and personal attacks. He should be blocked, if he refuses to stop.

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On the talk page for the article on Vladimir Putin, Muscovite99 has repeatedly engaged in name calling and ad hominem arguments.

Evidence of disputed behavior
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 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Vladimir_Putin&diff=prev&oldid=185930647


 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Vladimir_Putin&diff=prev&oldid=186180794


 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Vladimir_Putin&diff=177028272&oldid=177012894


 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Patriarch_Alexius_II&diff=next&oldid=186636033


 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Vladimir_Putin&diff=prev&oldid=187241003


 * He has been repeated reverting an admin who is attempting to resolve a WP:BLP dispute:

First example (not the first time): http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Patriarch_Alexius_II&diff=prev&oldid=187241885

Second example: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Patriarch_Alexius_II&diff=next&oldid=187274956

Third example: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Patriarch_Alexius_II&diff=prev&oldid=189528280

This was all after an Admin removed this comment the first time. And after extensive discussion by the same admin and another admin. This is not the only article in which he has been engaged in such behavior. He has been doing the same thing of late in the Vladimir Putin article. Frjohnwhiteford (talk) 00:04, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Applicable policies and guidelines
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 * WP:NPA
 * WP:3RR

Evidence of trying and failing to resolve the dispute
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 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Vladimir_Putin&diff=next&oldid=185985304 (attempt to resolve)
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Vladimir_Putin&diff=186181156&oldid=185994490 (evidence of failure to resolve)

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 * Frjohnwhiteford (talk) 22:23, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Miyokan (talk) 04:14, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Cfeet77 (talk) 09:38, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Response
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Statement by Biophys
Please remember about Please do not bite the newcomers rule. This user has only ~600 edits in English WP. Did anyone of the people who filed this RfC try to discuss WP policies at this user talk page? No. No any steps to resovle this conflict (if there is any conflict) has been made in my opinion. Punishing someone for activities outside the English WP and not related to English WP (that is in Russina WP) is hardly appropriate.

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 * 1) Biophys (talk) 17:14, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Statement by uninvolved BlueMoonlet
After looking into the issue, this appears to be only one aspect of a fairly wide-ranging content dispute that has repeatedly gotten personal (e.g., here and here). Certainly User:Muscovite99 has made some inappropriate personal statements as presented in the diffs, and these should not continue. Overall, though, his role seems more suited to a lower level of dispute resolution, such as WP:WQA.

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 * 1) BlueMoonlet (t/c) 19:13, 24 January 2008 (UTC) rewritten 03:31, 25 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I would just like to note that dispute the fact that this request for comment has been generated, and despite the fact that I have not been responding to his comments, Moscovite99 has posted at least two additional personal attacks against me. I think this justifies a strong response, because subtly is obviously not going to work. Frjohnwhiteford (talk) 13:07, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Update: After further personal attacks by the subject, this issue was discussed in this thread on AN/I. The result was basically no action. I think this RfC should now be considered closed. If there is further incivility from the user, his history as described in this RfC should be considered. Appropriate steps might include posting a uw-npa1 or uw-npa2 on his talk page, taking the issue to WP:WQA, or alerting one of the admins currently mediating the underlying content dispute. --BlueMoonlet (t/c) 15:54, 1 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I disagree. When the AN/I was closed, the matter was referred back to this RfC, so the fact that it was closed should not settle the matter here.  The subject has been laying low, but given past patterns of behavior, I am not convinced it is not just a temporary lull. Muscovite99 has not apologized, nor has he removed or modified any of his comments.  If this RfC is closed, I am sure we will be creating another one before too long.  Perhaps I am wrong, but in any case, I think the incident deserves at least a warning from an Admin... and thus far, we haven't had even so much as that. Frjohnwhiteford (talk) 02:47, 2 February 2008 (UTC)


 * The user who closed the AN/I remarked that "the RfC that you have already begun should be the right step at this point to address the above concerns." I read that not as saying that further action should take place at this RfC, but that the evidence and dialogue accumulated here will be useful in any further action.  --BlueMoonlet (t/c) 02:54, 2 February 2008 (UTC)


 * "Otherwise, the RfC that you have already begun should be the right step at this point to address the above concerns" means to me that this RfC is the right place to deal with the concerns that were raised in the AN/I... since there was nothing that required immediate action, due to there being no recurring offenses... though I am still not clear how many offenses and how frequently one has to commit them to warrant more immediate action. I have certainly seen more decisive action over less.   But in any case, I don't read those comments as closing the book here, and I wouldn't think that one admin could single-handedly close out something like this any way. Frjohnwhiteford (talk) 06:29, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

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Muscovite99 has continued to engage in personal attacks, despite having been repeatedly asked to stop:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Vladimir_Putin&diff=prev&oldid=185930647

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Vladimir_Putin&diff=prev&oldid=186180794

This user had a history of violating WP rules and had his account blocked several times in the Russian segment due to violations, as can be seen here: Russian talk page He also has a history of vandalism. Frjohnwhiteford (talk) 20:17, 23 January 2008 (UTC)


 * We made a conclusion that Muscovite99 in Russian WP and in English WP is the same person based on his own words on Putin's talk page where he describes himself as an author of this article. Cfeet77 (talk) 10:09, 24 January 2008 (UTC)


 * It is confirmed that his account has been blocked at least once in Russian WP. Cfeet77 (talk) 10:09, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Muscovite99 continued to engage in personal attacks after being warned to stick to the issues. Accuses several users of vandalism including an administrator. User accuses others of vandalism and violating WP:NPOV when only he a persistent history of being warned for violating WP:NPOV on the said (Vladimir Putin) article   has been blocked for violating the 3RR on that article .--Miyokan (talk) 13:34, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Biophys argues that Muscovite99 is a newcomer and hence should not be punished for this reason. He also argues that Muscovite99's wrongdoings in Russian WP are irrelevant. They are, indeed, irrelevant for the decision to be made in English WP. They nonetheless prove that Muscovite99 is not a newcomer and he or she is well aware of the effect his activities may have. He has over 5000 edits in Russian WP and numerous warnings on his talk page there. Cfeet77 (talk) 11:59, 29 January 2008 (UTC)