Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Naveed245

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Statement of the dispute
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Desired outcome
Ban Naveed245 for 24 hours to 7 days. This will make him check his notifcation page. Warning by a mod has not stopped him from continuing edit war.

Description
For Pakistan international airlines article, there is a banner saying uncited info will be challenged and removed. So I've been providing sources for PIA fleet section. Unfortunately, user Naved245 keeps changing article. He does not offer edit summary. He does not add sources. I tried to search online to see if he was right and give sources for his edits. Unfortunately, his sources is the fan page of PIA. There, numerous users post images on A380 in PIA livery or recycle info (I.e., quote articles from news that are old and change the dates). Regardless, I suppose wiki does not allow sources to be unofficial facebook page. My sources have been directly the companies website and contempory news articles. I tried to add dispute banner as I asked user to discuss the edits with me numerous time in edit summary. He won't message me. He also removes dispute banner. I asked an admin, jim1138. He reverted back the article. Naveed245 changed the article again to very old format. Jim1138 then gave him warning on his page and I also left message on his page but he won't respond back. If I go and edit the PIA fleet section, he'll undo changes quickly. Moreover, he edits page over 3 times which makes it harder for me to undo his mistakes.Uabbas92 (talk) 04:36, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

Evidence of disputed behavior

 * https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pakistan_International_Airlines&action=history As you can see, he did not leave edit summary anywhere. He undo what a mod had undone. Also it was a major edit, 22500 letters.
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_International_Airlines#Fleet The fleet column is being vandalised. I've put citation, which he removes. The current citations are also by me, but they're now outdated as there's a new fleet.

Applicable policies and guidelines

 * Naveed245 is not leaving edit summaries and not citing his source. I tried to look for his source and it was a fan page of the respective company.

Evidence of trying and failing to resolve the dispute
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Attempts by certifier uabbas92

 * I left message on his talk page. I left notes in edit summary. Opened dispute for article on talk page.

Other attempts

 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Naveed245#Dispute - Did not reply. Messaged twice.
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Pakistan_International_Airlines#Dispute - Talk page dispute. No reply.

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 * Uabbas92 (talk) 04:41, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

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Have you discussed this on a talk page? Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already.

Location of dispute Pakistan International Airlines (Article) /Talk:Pakistan_International_Airlines (Talk)

Users involved Uabbas92 (Me) Naveed245 (Non-communicative user)

Dispute overview For Pakistan international airlines article, there is a banner saying uncited info will be challenged and removed. So I've been providing sources for PIA fleet section. Unfortunately, user Naved245 keeps changing article. He does not offer edit summary. He does not add sources. I tried to search online to see if he was right and give sources for his edits. Unfortunately, his sources is the fan page of PIA. There, numerous users post images on A380 in PIA livery or recycle info (I.e., quote articles from news that are old and change the dates). Regardless, I suppose wiki does not allow sources to be unofficial facebook page. My sources have been directly the companies website and contempory news articles. I tried to add dispute banner as I asked user to discuss the edits with me numerous time in edit summary. He won't message me. He also removes dispute banner. I asked an admin, jim1138. He reverted back the article. Naveed245 changed the article again to very old format. Jim1138 then gave him warning on his page and I also left message on his page but he won't respond back. If I go and edit the PIA fleet section, he'll undo changes quickly. Moreover, he edits page over 3 times which makes it harder for me to undo his mistakes.

Have you tried to resolve this previously?

Tried to use dispute banner. Asked a moderator for help. Left message on his talk page. He won't reply.