Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Oranjelo100

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Statement of the dispute
There is a conduct dispute with editor User:Oranjelo100, previously User:Emperor-Overlord100, regarding a disagreement about suggestions related to the quality and quantity of performed edits.

Cause of concern
Editor User:Oranjelo100, previously User:Emperor-Overlord100, tends to perform large numbers of edits, ending up with relatively small amounts of actual changes to the articles. Also, those edits are almost always left with empty edit comments, further increasing the confusion and mangling the history of articles.

While his edits do add new content in many cases, there are issues with the layouts of those contributions – they're poorly written, requiring later copyedits and/or rewrites, in order for new content to follow the general language and layout style of Wikipedia articles. Many times those rewrites/cleanups are taking longer than it would be required to do the same from scratch.

The discussion started on User talk:Oranjelo100 and continued later on User talk:Dsimic. The main issue there is this editor strictly refuses to at least consider any of the advices, and those advices are presented only with the best intentions.

Update, 2013-11-23: Also, please have a look at this edit. I bet it's Oranjelo100 hiding behind an IP address, and those words really aren't something that's deserved.

Applicable policies and guidelines
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 * Manual of Style
 * CITE
 * Help:Edit summary

Desired outcome
It would be really great to see improvements in quality of User:Oranjelo100's edits. That way Wikipedia would get a good editor.

Evidence of trying and failing to resolve the dispute
Here a few examples of the above mentioned rewrites/cleanups performed so far, as well as examples of numerous edits performed for small amounts of actual changes:


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Users certifying the basis for this dispute
Users who tried and failed to resolve the dispute.


 * Dsimic (talk) 00:21, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
 * --DrSeehas (talk) 09:34, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

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Questions to certifiers
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Q. It's not obvious where you have tried talking to Oranjelo100 to resolve this dispute. Can you provide a diff or two of a discussion you've had with him? If you can provide that, I'll mark this as certified. &mdash;Darkwind (talk) 01:43, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

A. Sorry, but I gave up to talk to Emperor-Overlord100/Oranjelo100 long ago, because I never got any response from Emperor-Overlord100/Oranjelo100 so there can't be any discussion with Emperor-Overlord100/Oranjelo100 :-( The main reason was always the same: This editor strictly refuses to at least consider any of the advices. Some diffs: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Oranjelo100&diff=prev&oldid=561791105 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Oranjelo100&diff=prev&oldid=565488679 --DrSeehas (talk) 08:04, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

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Outside view by Tom Morris
It seems rather excessive to need an RfC/U for this. Oranjelo100 is well-intentioned but has a problem competently contributing to articles in English. A number of his edits are unsourced. He fails to handle criticism, as can be seen here. At the same time, Dsimic, while frustrated at Oranjelo100 for not quite getting it (how to edit Wikipedia etc.), could perhaps have been slightly better tempered in his reaction to Orangelo100's editing (same link). Per WP:COMPETENCE, it would be sensible if Oranjelo100 started listening to criticism, and it would be good if Dsimic could try and stay calmer when they find a user infuriating.


 * Commented on the talk page. &mdash; Dsimic (talk) 02:29, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Users who endorse this summary:
 * 1) —Tom Morris (talk) 16:55, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
 * 2) Agree, as noted in own view.  Robert McClenon (talk) 01:39, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Outside view by Robert McClenon
I agree with Tom Morris that a user conduct RFC is not appropriate. I don't see a an identified conduct issue. (Most user conduct RFCs involve tendentious editing, personal attacks, POV pushing, or edit-warring. I don't see those.)  I see concerns by the certifiers that the subject editor may be inexperienced and may be causing problems by complex, good-faith edits to complex subjects involving computer architecture. I don't see a serious effort by the certifiers to try to advise the subject either to change his editing style or to identify a conduct issue. I suggest that some uninvolved editor should be asked to work with the subject editor to help learn how to become a more productive editor, and that the certifiers not file user conduct RFCs about issues that do not involve user conduct. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:37, 28 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Commented on the talk page. &mdash; Dsimic (talk) 02:30, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Users who endorse this summary:
 * 1) As author of view.  Robert McClenon (talk) 01:38, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

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