Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Swainstonation

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Statement of the dispute
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Description
Swainstonation has repeatedly engaged in uncivil behaviour in his edits and edit summaries. My involvement with him started with comments on the controversial keratoconus featured article picture on the front page, where I disagreed with his position on it.

When it became clear he was not interested in polite discussion of the matter, I attempted to disengage, upon which he refused to disengage and told me I had 'lost' and didn't want to deal with him.

He received a short block from Raul654 to cool his heels, but it did not seem to make a difference (resulted in this edit, too).

Evidence of disputed behavior
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 * - uncivil edit summary
 * - uncivil edit summary
 * - removal of warnings and uncivil edit summary
 * - user takes pro-vandalism stance
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 * - after being asked to sign his posts on talk pages, user spams signature
 * - personal attacks on admin who blocked him

Applicable policies and guidelines
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 * Talk page guidelines
 * No personal attacks
 * Vandalism
 * Three revert rule

Evidence of trying and failing to resolve the dispute
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 * - attempt to disengage peacably, upon which user made repeated further edits to talk page
 * - one hour block
 * - warned for violations of the 3RR

Users certifying the basis for this dispute
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 * I did not plan to certify this RFC because I thought this was a one time incident - a user who just happened to be having a bad day. However, Evil Saltine's comments below have made me realize that this user makes personal attacks as a matter of routine. For every subsequent personal attack I see him make, he can expect a lengthy block from me. Raul654 04:27, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I did not plan to certify this RFC because I thought this was a one time incident - a user who just happened to be having a bad day. However, Evil Saltine's comments below have made me realize that this user makes personal attacks as a matter of routine. For every subsequent personal attack I see him make, he can expect a lengthy block from me. Raul654 04:27, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Other users who endorse this summary

 * Along with the evidence above, I found this troubling as well. Seems to think gaming the system, along with personal attacks is acceptable behavior: It's not. FeloniousMonk 03:58, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I honestly believe that and if you all believed that wikipedia is not supposed to be censored, than dont censor my thoughts--The Nation 04:16, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Response
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(hes lying, only resolution was his own, no compromise) --The Nation 23:32, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

originally posted next to the 3RR policy link, moved by — ceejayoz talk : (how the fuck does that fit into this conflict, thats a past thing)--TheNation 21:29, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

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Outside view by User:Evil saltine
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Swainstonation's comments on User talk:Ceejayoz do not seem particularly offensive, but the comments he made to Raul654 (before the block, after Raul had said he was being uncivil) were definitely over the top (see, ). Swainstonation seems to have a habit of making insults (see, , , , , ). - Evil saltine 23:45, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Users who endorse this summary:
 * I endorse the first part, but the second part, I believe he was just being honest, brutal, but honest.--70.112.158.200 01:11, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Comments like those are never acceptable. Comments like those made to a member of the arbcomm are never wise. FeloniousMonk 04:22, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Discussion
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