Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Uncle G

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 * (User:Uncle G | User talk:Uncle G | contributions)

Statement of the dispute
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Uncle G most wanted page on Wikipedia! Not have user page disruptive and everyone piss vinegar!

Description
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User:Uncle G page is deleted Uncle G has that page in signature  I click  It tell me to create  I create  Later everyone say I vandal! They delete again! This is most wanted page on Wikipedia!

Not everyone need userpage No big deal they have ten edit   Uncle G have milles edit  1305 bad red link  Special case exception! For him do it actively by deletion  Other people passively  Waste time of administrators! People accused of vandal for create most wanted page

Uncle G has long crybaby essay about why? Why link or redirect not good enough for Uncle G?

Not just me either Constant problem and bickering trying enforce stupid deleted page  Five time his talk page!

Just a blank OK One link OK  Redirect OK  Deleted page not OK

What reverse vanity American think what he do so important it define him

Evidence of disputed behavior
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 * bickering: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Uncle_G#Editing_other_peoples.27_user_pages
 * bickering:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Uncle_G#User_page
 * bickering:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Uncle_G#your_user_page
 * Admin accuse user at vandalism:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Isaac_Rabinovitch/Archive_01#User:Uncle_G
 * how many more? UNKNOWN as edit history gone with page deletion

Applicable policies
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 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Make_articles_useful_for_readers
 * Bickering about lack in user page distraction. Insistent deletion for personal reason UNUSEFUL to main project.
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:User_page#How_do_I_delete_my_user_and_user_talk_pages.3F
 * "User pages that have been deleted can be recreated with a blank page, or a link to Wikipedia:Missing Wikipedians to avoid red links pointing to them.
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:User_page#Ownership_and_editing_of_pages_in_the_user_space
 * "pages in user space still do belong to the community"
 * "Other users may edit pages in your user space"
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:User_page#What_can_I_have_on_my_user_page.3F
 * "avoid substantially editing another's user page without their permission, but feel free to correct typos and other mistakes."  (Many user create Uncle G page by mistake! Then get accused of vandal)
 * "It's a wiki. You are supposed to be able to edit the pages. If you want a non-editable profile, you can put that on a web page elsewhere."
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:No_original_research
 * Uncle G think it psychology experiment so user unlearn that red link is vandal or newbie. Such has become distraction of community goal.
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:POINT
 * "State your point; don't prove it experimentally"
 * "Don't disrupt frequently viewed pages, such as the main page, featured articles, or popular topics." 1305 redlinks=popular topic!

Evidence of trying and failing to resolve the dispute
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 * HISTORY DELETED everytime an admin blanks the page.

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 * ~ (actually certified by 63.124.185.186)

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Response
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Outside view
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User:Uncle G is entitled to not have a user page, if he wants.

Users who endorse this summary (sign with ~ ):
 * 1) --cesarb 23:03, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
 * 2) --Thryduulf 00:23, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
 * 3) --jpgordon&#8711;&#8710;&#8711;&#8710; 00:30, 29 May 2005 (UTC) -- Find something else to do with your time, anon -- you'll lose this one, guaranteed.
 * 4) --func (talk) 00:38, 29 May 2005 (UTC) -- This is clear and unambiguos trolling. The anon is not editing in good faith. Posting a picture of Britney Spears in his first attempt to start this RfC, and making personal attacks shows this to be pure trolling.
 * 5) What's more, please stop creating empty pages just because they've been linked. --W(t) 01:08, 2005 May 29 (UTC)
 * 6) --I completely respect his right NOT to have a user page. Unwiki to force someone to make a page they don't want to make. Antandrus  (talk)  01:11, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
 * 7) --qitaana 01:33, May 29, 2005 (UTC)
 * 8) --Dmcdevit 06:54, 29 May 2005 (UTC) -- The user namespace is just that.
 * 9) I find Uncle G's reasoning very good - he insists to be judged solely on his merits (i.e. his history) and not on how he appears to present himself on his user page. Radiant_* 09:19, May 29, 2005 (UTC)
 * 10) --David [[Image:NonFreeImageRemoved.svg|25px]] | Talk 10:15, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
 * 11) Mel Etitis ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 11:25, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
 * 12) Mothperson 15:50, 29 May 2005 (UTC) Never mind that he has a user page by default in his explanation of why he doesn't have one. It's just nutty to require one.
 * 13) *Who among you is going to fix this Special:Wantedpages?
 * 14) **It already has been, see Most wanted articles. Are you suggesting we should create User:Angela (troll), Wikipedia is Communism 6, Category:Substubs, etc. just because they are on the Wantedpages? It's fundamentally flawed because of other namespaces and lack of human insight, which is why we the other page. --Dmcdevit 06:54, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
 * 15) ***For historical reference: The same user who created a user page for me also created several other user pages at the same time, including User:Angela (troll), User:Neutrality (bastard administrator), and others in the same vein, apparently going down Special:Wantedpages in order, creating the pages that were "wanted".  (They were good faith creations.  User:Angela (troll) simply redirected to User:Angela, if memory serves.)  They were rapidly deleted, and so Dmcdevit probably didn't see them before making the above comment.  It appears that one major cause of this whole episode was a misunderstanding of Special:Wantedpages, taking it at its face value, later compounded by the fact that other editors, not knowing that this misunderstanding had occurred, took the creation of all of those pages to be a pattern of vandalism. Uncle G 14:59, 2005 Jun 15 (UTC)
 * 16) It is all up to Uncle G to decide. That decision cost him an adminship, but if he thinks not having a userpage is worth not being an admin, it is his right. The term "most wanted page" is a technical term. It just means that the site for Uncle G's userpage has more redlinks to it than any other site, caused by Uncle G being an active debater on VfD and other policy discussions. It doesn't mean that a load of people actually want that page. Sjakkalle 06:36, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
 * 17) Mgm|(talk) 08:12, May 30, 2005 (UTC)
 * 18) Linuxbeak | Talk | Desk 18:09, Jun 1, 2005 (UTC)
 * 19) As said, not having a user page lost Uncle G his adminship vote. A user who has the guts to put principles before power deserves respect. If Uncle G does not want a user page, it's up to him, no-one else.Dan100 18:42, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)

MacGyverMagic's summary
I'll state again what I said on WP:AN/I. Not having a userpage doesn't disrupt. And here's why:

-- Mgm|(talk) 08:12, May 30, 2005 (UTC)
 * 1) Redlinks only show a page doesn't exist. It would be more disruptive if he created nonsense to fill the page just to have one.
 * 2) While userpages are included in most wanted pages, they are not articles and therefore actually shouldn't be listed. (First I was under the impression "Userpages aren't included in the most wanted pages.", but I was wrong)
 * 3) Deleting his userpage takes about 3 seconds. Solving disputes (which most of the time shouldn't have started anyway) takes far more time. Besides, admins aren't obliged to delete anything if they don't want to either. The whole project is on a voluntary basis.
 * 4) Userpages are for personal information. Within the existing guidelines it's for Uncle G to use as he pleases. If he chooses not to take advantage of that, we can't force him.

Also, Make_articles_useful_for_readers doesn't apply as userpages aren't articles. - Mgm|(talk) 08:14, May 30, 2005 (UTC)

Another summary
Not having a userpage is kinda annoying but doesn't really matter that much.
 * 1) &mdash; Dan | Talk 00:29, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)

Discussion
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