Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Wdl1961


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Statement of the dispute
Wdl1961 repeatedly removes legitimately warranted maintenance templates without any cogent explanation and without consensus. Makes spurious claim that "globalize" tag is insulting to other cultures, invokes seemingly random WP policies.

Desired outcome
Wdl1961 needs to engage in coherent discussion on talk pages and contribute coöperatively, in accord with consensus.

Description
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Evidence of disputed behavior
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Applicable policies and guidelines

 * Talk
 * Consensus
 * 3RR
 * Bias

Evidence of trying to resolve the dispute
Fruitless discussion (with two editors) here continues here.

Evidence of failing to resolve the dispute
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Users certifying the basis for this dispute
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 * —Scheinwerfermann T&middot;C 15:49, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 * &mdash; \`C RAZY `( lN )`S ANE `/ (talk &bull; contribs) 16:22, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Response
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 * see Talk:Ford FE engine 18 July 2009

Hi again, LHvU. Thanks much for your assistance with Vegavairbob. I'm having trouble effectively engaging with a user — Wdl1961 — with a long track record of disruptive edits accompanied by incoherent discussion (or none at all) on the relevant talk pages (see his user and talk pages, as well as the bizarre, incoherent edits he's made to my talk page, , , , . His present fixation is removal of valid maintenance templates from articles without correcting the problems the templates indicate, despite being asked, told, and warned to stop. Present targets of this behaviour include Bumper (automobile) and Engine control unit. I've filed for another WP:3O, reported his continued vandalism following final (level-4) warning at AIV, and co-certified an RFC/U (with plenty of diffs). Can you please assist and/or suggest what else I might try? Thanks. —Scheinwerfermann T&middot;C 20:20, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I have already blocked for 48 hours per your AIV report - I noted the similarities to Vegavairbob in not following consensus in my block message; do you think they might be the same editor attempting to harass you? It is a bit depressing to think someone may wish to irritate a stranger because of a dispute over an article, but it does happen. LessHeard vanU (talk) 20:23, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I can all but guarantee Wdl1961 won't change his behaviour one iota once the block expires. I'm not sure I think he's a VVB sock; his meatpuppetlike aping of VVB's edits appears to be opportunistically aimed at what he thinks will perturb me right now; I've been cleaning up after his strange, incoherent babbling and odd fixations for quite awhile. See Talk:Poppet valve, for example. I think there's something the matter with the guy; his behaviour is overall really strange. Take a look at how he carefully copies bits and scraps from talk pages (and [ sections of my contributions]...weird kind of stalking, eh?). Look at this, the least-incoherent comment I think I've ever seen him post. It's still pretty detached from reality, and appears to contain natural and artificial MPOV flavouring. This is more typical, and less coherent (but no less tendentious). Here is one of his more overt attempt to sic admins on me (for…um…for…uh…???). What's the best approach to someone like this, d'you figure? —Scheinwerfermann T&middot;C 22:11, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * As Wikipedia is the "...encyclopedia anyone can edit" I think the best response would be to ignore everything accept obvious violations of the policies and then report them as you would any vandal/ill intended editor. Not raising to the bait is the best long term solution to anyone trying to get a reaction - although in the short term they may try harder. I would also suggest changing your mindset, so you simply consider the other party as a well meaning but wrong editor rather than an adversary. This may help you deal with the irritation factor better. LessHeard vanU (talk) 12:28, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * This is much in accord with my present approach. I don't see Wdl1961 as an adversary, though he seems to see me as such. As they say, it takes two to tango, and I'm not dancin'. I'll just carry on treating his disruptions, when they occur, the same as anyone else's. —Scheinwerfermann T&middot;C 14:28, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Users who endorse this summary:
 * 1) Wdl1961 (talk) 18:33, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Outside view
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Outside view by Garycompugeek
It is difficult to understand Wdl1961 and that could be part of the problem. It may be a language issue. Either way communication seems difficult with said user and that needs to change. He was just blocked for 48 hours so maybe that will be a wakeup call. This editor needs to respect consensus and bring controversial changes to the article talk page to participate in debate.

Users who endorse this summary:
 * 1) Garycompugeek (talk) 20:11, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 2) RobinHood70 (talk) 06:14, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Outside view by Abce2
Based on what Wdl1961 has put on the talk page of this RFC, user clearly doesn't not see any fault in his/her edits, which would be inncorrect. User has also gone to name calling, which is unacceptable in Wikipedia. Either the user learns that there are rules, or be blocked for a longer period.

Users who endorse this summary:
 * 1)  Abce2 |  Aww nuts!  Wribbit!(Sign here)  21:50, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

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Summary
If Wdl1961 wishes to avoid being blocked, he needs to work on improving his communication and make greater efforts to participate in talk page discussion, particularly for controversial changes he makes.


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