Wikipedia:Requests for feedback/2010 August 15

Supercharged Food, Gluten Free Recipes, Shopping List and Me
How do I get my page to appear on wikipedia? Thank you for your help :)

Supercharged Food (talk) 01:02, 15 August 2010 (UTC)


 * In short, you probably cannot. Wikipedia is not a forum to promote your product or web site.  New pages in Wikipedia must demonstrate a degree of WP:notability, which generally involves citing independent WP:reliable sources that provide a significant amount non-trivial coverage of the topic.  Advertising, press releases, and routine business or product profiles would not qualify.  In addition, if you are personally involved with the product or business, you have a WP:conflict of interest.  Creating or editing pages for which you have a COI is discouraged.  However, if your believe your topic satisfies Wikipedia's notability guidelines, you can try submitting teh article at WP:Articles for creation.  --  Tom N (tcncv) talk/contrib 01:56, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

User:Bobm1611/Arthur Budgett
This is a page about a famous racehorse trainer that achieved an almost unique feat. It is not a biography and is lacking detail because the only additional information that I have found is in the 2 referenced interviews. However I feel that it is important to at least publish the feat and the linking of the names of the horses involved.

Bobm1611 (talk) 06:46, 15 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I tidied up the references, using templates.


 * 'British' should not be linked (WP:OVERLINK)


 * Regarding the red links;
 * Whatcombe Estate - this one is OK, because there is a reasonable expectation that an article could be written.
 * Blakeney - this one, I would not bother to link, as I think it unlikely that an article will be written about this horse. If you were going to red-link it though, the article title needs a space between "Blakeney" and "(horse)"
 * Epsom Derby - this is OK, possibly, if you think an article might be written. Personally, for the time being, I would make that page and redirect it to Epsom Derby by putting . That means it would not be a red link...and if anyone does actually make an article, they'd simply overwrite the redirect with the content.
 * Morston - As per Blakeney (except the space is OK here)
 * Epsom Derby in 1973. - as per 1969 above


 * The first part states one of only two people to have bred, owned, and trained two English Derby winners - this is a strong assertion, and as such it really does need a reference to a reliable source directly after the fact, per WP:V.


 * It is, currently, of pretty borderline notability, per WP:VRS. Of course, 'significant coverage' is debatable, but two sources is stretching things; as a biography of a living person, it really should have a couple more reliable sources.


 * Also, as a BLP, we worry more about all the verification; the date-of-birth, for example - where does it come from? If there is no published reliable source, it should probably be removed. The reason for this is simple - we cannot check it; therefore, if someone comes along and changes it, we've no idea at all which is valid.


 * As the horse Blakeney is named after the village, you might as well link that;

...like his sire Hethersett, was named after a Norfolk village, as was... ...like his sire Hethersett, was named after a Norfolk village, as was...

I hope that helps, and I hope it is constructive; I tend to waffle, and I'm worried now that I've put too much and you'll be put off by the complexity...that's the last thing I'd want. Just... ask for help, any time. You can talk to helpers here.  Chzz  ► 03:23, 17 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the valuable feedback. I have revised the text to clarify. The birth date can be verified from reference 1 but I am unsure how to insert the same reference twice. With the red links to the horses names I have followed the precedent on the Epsom Derby page, but I decided to remove the links to the individual races. As for notability I am unaware of other Internet material but I have added a book reference.--Bobm1611 (talk) 14:24, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Non-admin closure of a likely vexatious deletion request
I would appreciate a double check on my non-admin closure of this discussion. I believe it falls under the guidance for non-admin closure under a vexatious deletion request but as this is my first AFD closure I might have been a bit bold. Thanks. Fæ (talk) 10:49, 15 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Should be OK...but personally I don't think NAC is appropriate here. Too contentious, so best left to admins; NACs are subject to criticism, always, so its best to only use them for really clear-cut cases.


 * There was a delete !vote from someone other than the contributor, therefore speedy keep didn't apply...unless that vote was invalidated for some reason, but that is not indicated on the AfD.


 * Also, you should have given clear reasoning in the closure; I appreciate that this is pretty clear to people with policy knowledge, and that the nominator was 'wrong', but still...you could have explained why they were mistaken in the closure.


 * It gets further complicated in this specific case due to Requests_for arbitration/Macedonia. Probably the AfC could've been more quickly stopped with that, but again that is an admin role.


 * So - there you go; feedback; sorry it isn't more positive. AfD NAC is tricky stuff; personally, I only perform NAC if something is utterly clear-cut. I am all in favour of bold, but if it might cause drama, then it is probably best left to the mops - that's what we pay them the big bucks for, after all :-)  Chzz  ► 03:02, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks Chzz, all the comments you raise are valuable feedback. Obviously I was a bit concerned after I pressed the save button, hence raising for comment here. In retrospect I should have left it alone as it was not appropriate for someone new to closing AFDs to take on a non-trivial example. Now I've taken some time-out to think about the guidance for non-admin closures I feel a bit happier to do it again for blatantly obvious keep cases (which this one was not!) but will probably stick to other things for the moment. Fæ (talk) 06:36, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

User:William of Green/Larry Murphy
Welcome any feedback

William of Green (talk) 12:20, 15 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Looking at [ your contributions], I figured out you meant User:William of Green/Larry Murphy.


 * For future reference - when giving the name of a page, enclose it in and , to make a link &mdash; for example, putting sausage here makes sausage, or putting User:Chzz/help here makes User:Chzz/help.


 * Putting this stuff here makes this stuff.


 * Using the same idea, you should add links to the article, such as...

Larry Murphy a native of Co. Wicklow...

...whereabouts need not be made known to the Gardai...

...which produces...

 Larry Murphy a native of Co. Wicklow...

...whereabouts need not be made known to the Gardai...


 * The Irish public see him as a danger to women, more particularly as he had refused treatment while in prison and never demonstrated any remorse - this is a very very strong assertion, and the reference for it is unclear; it seems non-neutral original research - an opinion, rather than a statement of fact. As this article is a biography of a living person, and quite a controversial one, you must made very sure that it is well-referenced and neutral. Stick to 'cold hard facts' from reliable sources.


 * The things you currently have as 'External links' are probably, infact, references. You should incorporate facts from these multiple sources, and use them as inline references instead of external links. See WP:EL for info on what an external link is for; note it is only for info that can't otherwise be added to the article - such as a link to the actual court case or something.

Hope this helps,  Chzz  ► 03:41, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

User:Pierre Doleans/Hera Process
Hello, I've been working on a simple Open Process for website development called Hera Process for the last few months and it's now ready to be shared with the community! Unlike other heavy processes Hera gives to the project manager a ready to go solution with concrete examples and documents templates. Hera Process is under the Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 license. I think it might be interesting for the global community. I would like to know if this page can be accepted in Wikipedia? Kind regards, Pierre Doleans (talk) 14:06, 15 August 2010 (UTC)


 * As it is new, I do not think it will be appropriate for Wikipedia. We do not perform original research - we only report things that are already well-known, determined by the existence of 'reliable sources' such as newspapers and books about them. See WP:VRS.


 * Wikipedia is not for "making things famous" - it is to document things that are already well-known.


 * Also, be careful of conflict of interest; see WP:BFAQ.  Chzz  ► 03:48, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

User:Silena/Eonon
Hi, could you please do me a favor to review my first article? I would really appreciate any reviews and advice to this article about Eonon, especially from the netual and COI point of view. It is my first Wikipedia article, I'm enjoying learning and writing here, I still have a lot to improve! Many thanks for your kind help in advance! Silena (talk) 14:42, 15 August 2010 (UTC)


 * It is not based on independent reliable sources - it seems to be press-releases and things. See WP:VRS.


 * You need to use inline citations too.


 * Also please read the business FAQ.  Chzz  ► 03:50, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Feedback on my page
Any feedback appreciated, especially from people with knowledge of UK screenwriting industry, thanks (Becki87 (talk) 17:29, 15 August 2010 (UTC))

I already wrote on your talk page, but would add in addition that information about exactly where company is based and some citation for their client list would be great, perhaps links to BBC sites, or film credits? Generally okay though (Annabelle lee 3000 (talk) 17:23, 15 August 2010 (UTC))

Will do (Becki87 (talk) 17:29, 15 August 2010 (UTC))

Becki87 (talk) 17:01, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

User:Paulsagan/George Birimisa
Photos deleted for now; will obtain appropriate licensing before I attempt to post again. Thanks: what else needs to be taken care of?

Paulsagan (talk) 22:16, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Kerry Ellis
I need help rewriting certain sections of this article. I've just revised Professional Career, Section "In theatre" but sections "As a musician" and "On television" I need help with. As previously reviewed, the article was written like an advertisement, and I can see why, any advice or feedback would be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance.

Stephenjamesx (talk) 22:20, 15 August 2010 (UTC)


 * What it needs most is paring down, there's way too much detail in the article, particularly there is no need to list so many performances. Also, try to eliminate the remaining puffery, phrases like "heavily interested ", "given the chance" "signifying the end of her Wicked era", are not really encyclopedic. As an example, consider:
 * Following numerous amateur productions, Ellis turned to Laine Theatre Arts[2], an independent performing arts college, where she spent a year being formally stage trained.
 * I would recast that as:
 * Ellis received a year of formal training at the Laine Theatre Arts college.
 * Hope that helps. If you get stuck, drop me a note on my talk page, -- Nuujinn (talk) 14:21, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

How do I fix my chart?
Greetings,

I would like to know how to end my chart of "Clinical Applications of Speckle Tracking". Right now, the chart expands to include my references when it should end at the heading "Drug-Induced Cardiotoxicity". Thank you!

Hgeyer1234 (talk) 22:27, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Try Help:Tables, you missed the end of the table . It would have been better to wait until you had the formatting how you wanted before releasing the article.
 * I have formatted two of the citations using citation and used their listings in WorldCat to find their OCLCs and ISSNs. This gives a handy link to verify the citation, you may want to consider finishing the rest in this style. Fæ (talk) 23:04, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Rosensteinpark
Dear Sir or Madam, I would like to upload an image from the German Wikipedia to my article. Could you please let me know why including the following line didn't work? Thank you. Khrest (talk) 23:08, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Rosenstein-Stuttgart.jpg think you mean to upload de:Datei:Rosenstein-Stuttgart.jpg to Commons. You need to create the file using http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Upload&uselang=fromwikimedia or use the inter-wiki tool http://toolserver.org/~magnus/commonshelper.php. I've uploaded a version at File:Rosenstein-Stuttgart.jpg which I suggest you check and edit as necessary. Fæ (talk) 23:36, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your help! Khrest (talk) 15:11, 16 August 2010 (CEST)

User:TheSunPaper/Tom Stokes
When will my article be available for others to read and edit?

TheSunPaper (talk) 23:11, 15 August 2010 (UTC)


 * You need to use 'inline references' - to show where the facts come from. For example;

Chzz likes tea.


 * I've added an example one on your draft, User:TheSunPaper/Tom Stokes.


 * The other problem is...I'm not sure that the references do cover the facts. For example, OK, that reference shows he played for Yeovil, in that one game. But it doesn't show that it was his first game for them, or that they "later offered interest in the striker".


 * All the facts in the article should be verifiable - and you'd need to show why the person is notable; please read WP:VRS.


 * If you can do that, you should resubmit it for a new review, as explained in the 'decline' at the top. Best of luck, cheers,  Chzz  ► 04:45, 17 August 2010 (UTC)