Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion/Amir of Bimlipatnam

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Delete. Original research, not clearly notable. 'Visakha Museum, Visakhapatnam, India is a "source" but I don't know if a museum can be called a source Ingadres (talk) 13:51, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

I can't see this being of any interest outside the family itself. I'm not sure about the 2nd class knighthood. There are two sorts of knights in the UK - knights bachelor and knights of a chivalric order. The first are styled as (example) Sir Jonas Dunderfoot, and the others are styled as Sir Stewartby Phillygrass, KK (where he is a Knight of the Order of the Kitchen - lower than the Order of the Bath in precedence and totally fictional). Both sorts are knights and I've never heard of a second class called that. There are precedence matters between the various orders, but those do not come into the title. Apart from that, I'm not sure about "The magistrate legacy was hereditary hence the heirs were all ruling prince of the zamindari estate." I can't see why a hereditary magistrate should necessarily be a prince. The jagirdar was a grant of land not exceeding the lifetime of the holder, and a zamindar might be in one or two cases referred to by a princely title, but he was in reality a taxgatherer who collected from the peasants and paid tax to the Empire administration. All in all, this looks like a vanity piece on behalf of the current 'Nawab', who is, of course, no longer even a taxgatherer, the zamindar title and position having been abolished across most if not all of India. The present nawab appears to be somewhat of what my mother used to call a 'permanent student', but if he can afford it, I don't blame him. Peridon (talk) 18:01, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

This is the result of article for deletion. I want it undeleted the reasons being that the Visakha Museum is one of the biggest museums in the state of Andhra Pradesh in India. I have also furnished the documents to you as an attachment for your reference. Ths history of bimlipatnam is displayed in the museum the way it appears in wikipedia as Amir of Bimlipatnam.

I can't see this being of any interest outside the family itself. It is the history with the family lineage showing the rulers in order.

'''I'm not sure about the 2nd class knighthood. There are two sorts of knights in the UK - knights bachelor and knights of a chivalric order. The first are styled as (example) Sir Jonas Dunderfoot, and the others are styled as Sir Stewartby Phillygrass, KK (where he is a Knight of the Order of the Kitchen - lower than the Order of the Bath in precedence and totally fictional). Both sorts are knights and I've never heard of a second class called that. There are precedence matters between the various orders, but those do not come into the title.''' Second class knighthood is referred to as Saheb Bahadur as a title by the Viceroy/Governor-General/Governor of British India and sometimes even referred to as British Government.

'''Apart from that, I'm not sure about "The magistrate legacy was hereditary hence the heirs were all ruling prince of the zamindari estate." I can't see why a hereditary magistrate should necessarily be a prince.''' Honorary Magistrate was awarded by the British government to the prominent personalities within the area wise jurisdiction during British Raj or British India. Hence the legacy of Class VI Magistrate who has the power to fine upto Rs.500 in civil and criminal cases. This is a zamindari estate which means that during British Raj the biggest zamindars are entitled to decorate themselves as Nawab, because they are equivalent to the other nawabs of a princely state. Since Nawab is the defacto ruler, hence he will be referred to as prince.

The jagirdar was a grant of land not exceeding the lifetime of the holder, and a zamindar might be in one or two cases referred to by a princely title, but he was in reality a taxgatherer who collected from the peasants and paid tax to the Empire administration. Jagir or fief was given by the Nizam of Hyderabad in Bimlipatnam which is also called as Bheemunipatnam or Bhimili to our ancestors, hence we were the founders of the Bhimili and the jagirdars of Bimlipatnam. The founders who were originally the jagirdars of Bimlipatnam went on increasing the land asset till it is equivalent to one of the tiny princely states of Kathiawar states of British India. All the rulers of zamindari estate paid taxes to the British government in British India as the entire land belongs to the ruler within his jurisdiction

'''All in all, this looks like a vanity piece on behalf of the current 'Nawab', who is, of course, no longer even a taxgatherer, the zamindar title and position having been abolished across most if not all of India. The present nawab appears to be somewhat of what my mother used to call a 'permanent student', but if he can afford it, I don't blame him.''' The present Nawab is only the titular Nawab with no powers to rule his zamindari estate as Zamindari is abolished in India. The legacy of Nawab succession will be there with no jurisdiction or powers only a mere titular nawab.

I would want you to have a look into the profile of Visakha Museum from the link http://www.vizagcityonline.com/visakha_museum/index.html

An old bungalow standing almost dilapidated on the beach road at Waltair, in Visakhapatnam, is known to the locals as "Dutch Bungalow". This building was in occupation by various families till the late 70s, but no one ever dreamt that it would one day become the home of "Visakha Museum".

The bungalow and the land around it was alienated to VUDA for development in the 1980s. Originally it was thought that the Bungalow would make way for a five-star hotel. Founding members of the Visakha Historical Society and other public-spirited citizens rallied around and appealed to the authorities to preserve the building and utilise it for a public purpose. Good sense prevailed and it was decided to renovate and preserve the Bungalow for public use.

So it was that our "Visakha Museum" has the distinction of being one of the very few museums in the country housed in a preserved old building. The credit for the renovation of the old Dutch Bungalow goes to one Mr. Sarma, the Engineer-in-charge of this project in VUDA. The "Dutch-ness" of the building was retained, barring the inevitable ceramic floor-tiles and the steel-and-glass showcases. The renovated Dutch Bungalow was purchased by the Municipal Corporation from VUDA and the Museum was established in it.

Commissioner of MCV S.P.Singh, IAS, is credited with planting the administrative seeds for setting up a Museum in the city. However, it is widely acknowledged that the First Citizen of the city, Mayor D.V. Subba Rao and the then Municipal Commissioner Sameer Sharma were instrumental in converting the dreams of Vizagites of having a Museum in the city into a reality.

INAUGURATION :

Corporation Museum of Visakhapatnam had a grand-gala opening on the 8th October 1991 by the then Honourable Chief Minister of Andhra Pradesh Mr N. Janardana Reddy.

SCOPE :

The Museum is primarily a historical one which would act as a repository of artifacts and documents relating to the history of people, events and institutions of the largest district of "Vizagapatam" of the erstwhile "Madras Presidency" of the pre-Independence era, which extended from Tuni in East Godavari district up to Ganjam in neighbouring Orissa.

The following is a list of notable exhibits arranged according to museological grouping :

PORTRAITS, oil on canvas : Standing portraits, some of them life-size, of members of the royal family of Vizianagaram and Bobbili.

ARMOURY : Two full suits of armour, two stands of spears and muzzle loading guns, several ancient weapons such as steel bows.

HAND GUNS : English handguns and revolvers of various types are acquired from the Police Armoury, having been decommissioned on the transfer of power on the 15th August 1947. At least one revolver has an inscription in French.

SWORDS AND DAGGERS : A large collection of daggers and long-bladed swords and bodices of chain-mail are also in the collection.

HELMETS : Three varieties of helmets are identified, resembling designs of British, and probably those of Greek / Roman and Viking.

TAXIDERMY EXHIBITS : Two magnificent Bengal tigers (stuffed) which are hunting trophies of Jeypore Royalty are excellent examples of the art and science of taxidermy. Valuable HEIRLOOMS of Ankitam family consisting of an antique Buddhist Pagoda, a silk skirt, RAMAYANA on palm-leaf, costume jewellery and medallions are donated by their descendants. Astronomical instruments from the A.V. Jagga Rao Observatory of the 90s in Vizag form a unique collection.

PORCELAIN AND GLASS : A dinner set of porcelain with family coat of-arms inclusive of Telugu script which was made in 1920's in Czechoslovakia and glass wine set are from Bobbili Royal family.

ARTIFACTS / MEMORABILIA FROM LOCAL INSTITUTIONS :

ST. Aloysius School : Shell of a 250-lb bomb dropped by Japanese on Vizag during II World War, which fortunately did not explode.

Hindustan Shipyard Limited: Coconut broken by the First Prime Minister Jawaharalal Nehru when launching the first India-built ship S.S. Jala Usha and a model of the ship.

VISAKHAPATNAM PORT TRUST : Bronze busts of port officers including Nanjundiah, its first Indian Chairman.

When the Museum was inaugurated, the exhibits listed above formed its 'core'. Subsequently, the Honorary Curator Prof. E. V. Gangadharam augmented the museum collection, with the following items:

GANDHI MEMORABILIA. A desk used by Mahatma Gandhi and later by late Sri Tenneti Viswanatham along with photographs of the Mahatma walking with other personalities of Vizag and photos of the Ankitam House in which Gandhiji stayed while in Vizag.

FELICITATIVE DECORATIONS of the first Poet-Laureate Sripada Krishnamurthi Sastry : Suvarna Gandapenderam, Mani Kireetam, MahaMahopa-dhyaya insignia and medallions; An invaluable collection of 32 works of art by the celebrated artist of Andhra, Adivi Bapiraju; A Burmese silver bowl with Budda Jataka Katha on it; old violins from Germany and Czechoslovakia; old watches, clocks, documents, photographs and a collection of over 200 rare and old books from the personal libraries of prominent personalities of Vizag with which the Museum Library was started. Prof. E.V. Gangadharam Director, Centre for Marine Archaeology, is the Honorary Curator of the Museum. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.99.11.217 (talk • contribs)