Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Отрок 12/Archive

Suspected sockpuppets

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Per the ANI noticeboard, per Eastern Orthodox Church edit history, and per the Russian Wikipedia where their original account User:Отрок 12, has been subject to continuous warnings and lack of regard for Wikipedia's policies. In the ANI noticeboard, they made it deliberately known that they will persist until one of us is dead, which is quite frightening, utilizing various IP addresses and new accounts. The character of these new accounts and IP addresses verbatim have the same actions too, and directly target me and among other contributors ensuring Wikipedia's NPOV. TheLionHasSeen (talk) 05:17, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

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Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * moved to oldest account. Dreamy Jazz talk to me &#124; my contributions 01:10, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Blocking IP 1 month as it is WP:DUCKy. Dreamy Jazz talk to me &#124; my contributions 01:15, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
 * On further review, account is WP:DUCKy too. sock. Close. Dreamy Jazz talk to me &#124; my contributions 01:18, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
This editor shares Отрок 12's preoccupation with Russian orthodoxy and proving that the sources used on the page Religion in Russia are part of an anti-Russian plot, somehow connected to Ukraine. See Seems like bias for me and attempt to represent Russia in most bad light possible,  Then why we got 80% of christians in Ukraine, while it's nearly same countries in terms of religiosity? Seems like a bias for me this whole article is a big part of a lie and propaganda i did my best to change it at least little bit to the truthfulness, almost all other editors here are completely biased. one is from ukraine,, this ukranian-australian editor use its reputation and image of good editor to bring russophobia (and clearly hateful towards russian orthodox church position) here. my past edits used to be such way for reason of anti-orthodox-christian lobby. This is such a bizarrely idiosyncratic position (why would there be a "bias" that wants to portray Russia has being less Christian?) that it immediately caught my eye. The link to Ukraine also predates the war (Ukraine looks better if it's more Christian? I'm not sure I follow the logic).

Witness also the extremely similar editing summaries for both users: Mumbling Macaw (somewhat old now) Arena Atlas was debunked a lot of times and dismissed vs. Otrok 12  this chart is misleading which was many times discussed earlier.

I would also note general similarities in the badness of English of the two editors and similarly long pauses between their edits. If Mumbling macaw were more active, he probably would have been revealed to be a sock of Otrok 12 back when he tried to remove the Arena Atlas the last time.--Ermenrich (talk) 03:31, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

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 * It is clear that Mumbling macaw is the same as Отрок 12, I remember the behaviour of the latter very well as I got involved in some discussions with them; the arguments put forward by Mumbling macaw to discredit the Sreda Arena Atlas are the same that were used by Отрок 12. Besides, the Sreda Arena Atlas has nothing to do with Ukraine. On the contrary, it is the most reliable survey of religion in Russia ever conducted, it was a complement to the 2010 census, and it was holden by the independent research organisation Sreda with the support of the Russian Ministry of Justice; it is therefore a set of official statistics related to government institutions.--Æo (talk) 15:27, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * - checkuser is unlikely to be useful because previous accounts are too old, no objections to a check though. The positions they defend on Ukraine-Russia and Orthodoxy do not strike me as extremely unique, but I'm persuaded by the idiosyncratic writing style and verbosity (e.g. ), as well as the timing of the signup 8 days after ZXBOI's indef. Please, block Mumbling macaw as suspected to Отрок 12. Thank you. MarioGom (talk) 15:10, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Noting also vs. .  --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she&#124;they&#124;xe) 03:46, 23 February 2023 (UTC)