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User Путеец has used User Shamash's sandbox for storing & tweaking material. Judging by the editing and formatting, it seems User Путеец probably wants to add the material in the sandbox to Wikipedia someday. The 'material' is the Russian translation of an evidently politically-motivated article, wherein potential negative outcomes of general sexual acts (that people of any sexual orientation engage in) are portrayed as negative outcomes of only homosexual acts, in an effort to portray homosexuality and homosexuals as a health risk. User Путеец has repeatedly made edits in User Shamash's sandbox yet User Shamash doesn't seem to mind.

Other signs of sockpuppetry that have been displayed:

1. WP:BRIEFLY - User Shamash has made only a handful of edits on Wikipedia. To be more precise, he has edited only two wiki-pages; he made a few edits on the 'Homosexual behavior in animals' talk page and one edit on the 'Antisperm antibodies' article.

2. WP:IDENTICAL - he has edited the same wiki-pages that User Путеец edits/frequents. User Путеец has been very active on the 'Homosexual behavior in animals' talk page since February 2018, and he was the creator of the 'Antisperm antibodies' article and frequently edited it.

3. WP:OBSART - "Antisperm antibodies" is an obscure wiki-article that was created a few months ago (in October 2017 by User Путеец) yet User Shamash was aware of it (as evidenced by his edit on that article). And User Shamash's edit on that article consists only of removing a POV warning and an Undue Weight warning from the article.

4-6. WP:NEEDED, WP:SIM, WP:CHRONOSOCK - When there was disagreement between User Путеец and other editors on the 'Homosexual behavior in animals' talk page regarding orangutans, User Shamash suddenly appeared on the talk page for the first time to repeat the same argument as User Путеец and quote the same selectively-quoted parts of the source as him.

Here's what happened: When there was disagreement with User Путеец, he posted a comment at 18:11, 12 March 2018 (UTC). Then User Icarosaurvus replied in opposition to User Путеец at 18:17, 12 March 2018 (UTC). Then User Shamash appeared and commented for the first time on the talk page to repeat the same argument as User Путеец and the same quotes from the source as him at 18:37, 12 March 2018 (UTC). Then User Путеец promptly replied to User Shamash 5 minutes later, thanking him at 18:42, 12 March 2018 (UTC).

Another instance when User Путеец and User Shamash commented within short intervals of each other, and agreed with the other, occurred the next day. User Путеец replied to User Icarosaurvus saying "Articles are written by sources." at 19:06, 12 March 2018 (UTC). He then made some other edits until 19:24, 13 March 2018 (UTC). Then 10 minutes later, at 19:34, 13 March 2018 (UTC), User Shamash User Shamash commented in agreement with User Путеец saying "The article is written by sources." They both used the exact same sentence.

(The following is another instance where User Путеец commented at 21:11, 12 March 2018 (UTC) while User Shamash commented at 21:18, 12 March 2018 (UTC). It isn't as strong evidence as the other I presented but I still thought I should mention it).

The rest of User Shamash's edits consist of him telling User M. Karelin (i.e., Миша Карелин) to stay out of the conversation.

I mentioned WP:SIM because User Shamash has a similar writing style as User Путеец (e.g., the use of "colleagues," both saying "The articles are written by sources," occasional broken English, being uncivil to User M. Karelin, etc.). Also note that User Shamash's edits occur when User Путеец is evidently on Wikipedia, but never occur at the exact same time as User Путеец's edits.

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Also, in one of his replies, User M. Karelin states that User Путеец and User Shamash are both Russian and although User Shamash comments later in the thread, he does not take issue with the claim that User M. Karelin (Миша Карелин) made. This made me initially believe that User Shamash was a Russian person. After seeing that User Путеец uses User Shamash's sandbox for his own use, combined with the brief edit history of similar wiki-pages, I now feel that User Shamash may be User Путеец's sock account and I would like an investigation.

I would also appreciate if CheckUser conducted an investigation due to the aforementioned reasons and also because User Путеец has used User Shamash's support for his interpretation of the source to claim that "two" or at times "three" users, including him, are in favor of his proposed edits (e.g.,, , ). So I would like to know if this was an attempt at vote-stacking. Human10.0 (talk) 21:29, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

Comments by other users
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Me and Shamash are different people. He is an experienced editor and helps me to learn how to work. We really considered together translating scientific work in sandbox. After discussion, we decided that the article is not suitable for publication in Wikipedia. I do not use web hosting. ISP allows to change the IP address when need it. I understand that this is not a violation? --Путеец (talk) 21:32, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Tell me please, did I violate any rules? If necessary, I can connect via another ISP because the choice is great, if this ISP is violating any rules. Thank you. --Путеец (talk) 21:41, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Путеец, if you hadn't commented on your connection to Shamash, I would have been inclined to point to WP:MEATPUPPET, which is an aspect of the WP:Sockpuppet policy. Despite the mention of Shamash being the older account lower in this report, the Shamash account isn't that much older than your account and didn't really begin editing (meaning outside of the sandbox) until after you started editing. WP:Canvassing may be more of the issue. Either way, it's like you and Shamash are one account per the way you edit, including the sharing of a sandbox. So, in this regard, do read WP:MEATPUPPET. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 19:04, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
 * You helped me learn how to work in Wikipedia here more than he did. But it is obvious that some of his interests overlap with mine and yours. Advise how to avoid violations. But I am sure that all checks will show that we are different people. --Путеец (talk) 19:40, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * - Please, compare the two. Note for the closer: Shamash is much older account.  Vanjagenije  (talk)  12:40, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
 * /. Путеец is using a webhost.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:08, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Nothing more to do here with current information. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 09:41, 13 April 2018 (UTC)