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WP:SPA who has edited exclusively on Anticaucasus which they have made into a political battleground. They recently switched to IP editing and created the Ispector-genarel puppet. All of these share the same single-purpose focus, revert-warring, and style of writing.

Some of these have already been blocked as socks. Opening this SPI to pick up the rest. -- RoySmith (talk) 13:36, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

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 * Blocked the two 107's for proxies. School blocked the 131 I added. Not sure it's Эльбрус Казбекович. Good imitation if not. Word usage may be off.-- Dloh cier ekim  (talk) 14:20, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

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Very. Blocked, tagged, closing.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:08, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

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Same subject matter interests (Armenia and Lesser Caucasus regions); for example: and  edited Anticaucasus heavily;  heavy editing on Amatuni (Armenian noble family) and  heavy editing on Western Armenia and other Armenian topics. characteristic edit warring on Amatuni (see edit warring on Anticaucasus). All four accounts (Эльбрус Казбекович, Казбек Эльбрусович, НазариНазар, Jacques-Yves Cousteau) blocked on ru.wiki and Commons as socks (Казбек Эльбрусович account attached on en.wiki, but no edits - will be stale, but a duck). Sleeper check may also be warranted per history of sock use and continued IP block evasion on sister projects. Эlcobbola talk 17:11, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

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I initiated this SPI as a courtesy to a sister project. If the quacking above is not adequate, or en.wiki does not care about the active Jacques-Yves Cousteau sock, it's of no consequence to me. Disregard and close the request at your leisure. If the previously involved CU is interested, data that НазариНазар = Jacques-Yves Cousteau are on the CU wiki here. Эlcobbola talk 18:20, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

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 * Checkuser, all but one of the accounts are stale or have no contribs on this wiki. For a behavioural investigation, please provide some evidence in the form of diffs comparing the editing of the suspected accounts with the confirmed accounts. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 17:25, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the CU wiki data. Based on that and my own independent check, I have blocked and tagged Jacques-Yves Cousteau. In terms of what I can see at en.wiki, Cousteau is using the same ranges as the master and previous socks (that I know about) but is not using the same devices (except of course for the en.wiki-stale НазариНазар). I have a suggestion for these accounts and for future socks: ask a steward to globally lock them. There's more than enough evidence of cross-wiki abuse to justify glocks.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:47, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
 * thanks, I checked your link and was on my way to block but Bbb23 beat me to it. In future, if you have an investigation based on CU results from another wiki, you should just post it to the mailing list. For this case in particular, globally locking the accounts seems to be warranted (some already are). Closing. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 18:51, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

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Editing Armenian Question as old sock(s) did: Edit by Jacques-Yves Cousteau - Special:Diff/889298007; edit by Вреж Мегриан - Special:Diff/893943172; edit by Presereved Mammouth - Special:Diff/896169706. Note restoring this image to the page, which was uploaded by Jacques-Yves Cousteau to Commons. -★- PlyrStar93  → Message me. ← 04:44, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

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 * . GABgab 08:58, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Could you please lock the first sock account, the second one is already locked. --qedk (t 桜 c) 17:30, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Done. -- Ajraddatz (talk) 18:14, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks Ajraddatz. Closing now. qedk (t 桜 c) 18:19, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

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New account DoomZZz immediately edits Armenian Question to continue edit war to insert image uploaded by Jacques-Yves Cousteau sock (sock warring edits to that article: Jacques-Yves Cousteau, Вреж Мегриан , Presereved Mammouth ); name is also a reference to Tsitsernakaberd (Цицернакабердци = Tsitsernakaberd tsi), an Armenian Genocide memorial complex (the subject focus of Эльбрус Казбекович et al.)

New account Цицернакабердци immediately edits Armenian Question to reinsert a variant of the map that socks have been edit warring to insert (Вреж Мегриан: ; Presereved Mammouth: ; Цицернакабердци: ). Эlcobbola talk 15:35, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

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 * I’ve already blocked Цицернакабердци as a suspected sock. NJA  &#124; talk  19:29, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello, I'm a check-user on french Wikipedia and I had to check about edit warrant on fr:Génocide arménien. The result is =  =  . --Gratus (talk) 01:47, 24 May 2019 (UTC) (moved from talk page for non-autoconfirmed user)


 * Declining CU. There's no need for one here. The behavioral evidence, similar edits to Armenian Question, and the timeline between account creation and each edit to the article - is clear enough for me to block the DoomZZz as being associated with Цицернакабердци with the evidence alone.  ~Oshwah~  (talk) (contribs)   04:00, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
 * DoomZZz has been indef'd and tagged, and Цицернакабердци's block was updated to link to this SPI. The user was also tagged. This SPI can be closed.  ~Oshwah~  (talk) (contribs)   04:04, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

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Procedural filing. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 16:40, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

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In a report at Sockpuppet investigations/НазариНазар, is ✅ by checkuser. Filing for the record. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 16:40, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

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Same zealous editorial pattern (Armenia-related), same proficiency in English, reinstating same edits made by sockmaster and Co, fixated on inserting gibberish, etc. ("Restoration of important information with very credible references"). - LouisAragon (talk) 16:35, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

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'''This case is being reviewed by JJMC89 as part of the clerk training process. Please allow him to process the entire case without interference, and pose any questions or concerns either on his talk page or on this page if more appropriate.'''
 * Blocked and tagged based on the obsession with historical names of Armenian geography and the style of writing on talk pages. Unclear what a CU can add here, since the master is stale.  There is indeed activity on other wikis that looks like the same obsession with Armenian history, but I'll leave that to others more versed in xwiki processes.  -- RoySmith (talk) 16:50, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I looked at their article creations. I suppose they're all eligible for WP:G5, but they all look like reasonable articles, so I'm going to hold off on that for the moment.  If somebody else wants to G5 them, I won't object.  -- RoySmith (talk) 17:27, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
 * – All of the previous accounts are . —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 22:22, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Lock requested at SRG —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 22:26, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

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These IPs are trying to restore the edits made by the blocked sockpuppet.- Same proficiency in English as well (e.g. "Restoration of the proper, credible") - LouisAragon (talk) 23:17, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Made this SPI per this discussion. - LouisAragon (talk) 23:19, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

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 * Hmmm, not sure what to make of this. I'm not convinced these match the existing pattern, but for sure, the IPs themselves are suspicious.  107.242.117.11 and 107.242.117.3 were two of the original IPs that I reported back in October 2018 (see the archives).  The encompassing range for those two, plus the two reported here, is 107.242.117.0/26.  That's pretty busy, and has its fair share of mischief going on.  For example, 107.242.117.19 and 107.242.117.1 are currently blocked for various reasons (by User:Ad Orientem and User:JzG).  I'm guessing this is a school, so blocking the whole range seems out of the question.  I'd be happy to have suggestions from others with more experience with this sort of IP nonsense.  -- RoySmith (talk) 00:32, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I looked at the diffs again. Of course they're socks.  The question still remains what to do about it.  Blocking the entire range they're using seems infeasible.  -- RoySmith (talk) 00:39, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Schools are not some sort of sacred cow. If there is enough disruptive editing going on to justify the collateral damage, then blocks are a perfectly acceptable recourse. That's why we have "school block" options which also exists as part of the menu when setting range blocks. The only question is whether the disruption is severe enough to justify the downsides of a range block. And that is always going to be a judgement call. But FTR I have range blocked schools a couple of times when the disruptive editing was especially intense. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:44, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Based on the two listed IPs, nothing needs to be done. One hasn't edited for a few days, and the other has only one recent edit. Closing.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:48, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

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This account's only job is to re-introduce the same text to the page Subartu that was originaly made by User:Matianian who is blocked as a puppet of Эльбрус Казбекович. Im only reporting this account because its an account, not that the user will ever stop!! He has been writing the same rubbish since October 2019 using several IPs... He will never give up unless the page is protected for a long time (has already been protected because of him for a week, and another period of two weeks)!!Attar-Aram syria (talk) 10:45, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

dif1: the original edit by Matianian

dif2: this reported account reintroducing the same text as his very first, first edit on Wikipedia

dif3: fighting for the text

dif4: again fighting for the text

Again, blocking this account (and short term protection of the page) wont help much. The user have been hounding the page since October 2019 (with tens of IPs).

Attar-Aram syria (talk) 10:45, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

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 * - Please confirm & check for sleepers. is still fresh. Cabayi (talk) 12:38, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Salvio 22:27, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
 * blocked and tagged based on combination of CU and behavioral. -- RoySmith (talk) 23:11, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

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User "Culminatio" has only made ~ 50 edits, but all of his edits are centered around restoring/fulfilling edits originally made by "Эльбрус Казбекович" and his other sockpuppets. Single-purpose focus (Armenia-related articles, etc.), revert-warring, and style of writing also fully matches Эльбрус Казбекович & co. - LouisAragon (talk) 10:56, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Culminatio: changed "Iranian Azerbaijan" into "Armenia" at the Manneans article.
 * Matianian (CU blocked sock): Changed "Iranian Azerbaijan" into "Armenia" at the Manneans article
 * Culminatio: Added "Together with Ararat and Ashkenaz, this is probably the same Minnie from the Assyrian inscriptions, International Standard Bible Encyclopedia s.v. Minni" to the Manneans article
 * Matianian (CU blocked sock): Added "Together with Ararat and Ashkenaz, this is probably the same Minnie from the Assyrian inscriptions, International Standard Bible Encyclopedia s.v. Minni" to the Manneans article


 * More:
 * Straight off the bat accusing veteran users of WP:JDL at Armenia-related articles:
 * At Erivan Khanate (Culminatio): because I insert map in the article, which you just don't like personally"''
 * At Maku, Iran (Matianian): "Seems like you just been bothered by this fact of circumstance of that war."


 * At Subartu (CU blocked IP sock): "Listen attar, this edition is perfect for encyclopedia, because it's have excellent references. Other people can add more to that citation. On the other hand, you with your envious/arrogant anti-armenian/anti-islamic attitude and your edits really belong to your own "nationalist"
 * - LouisAragon (talk) 11:02, 16 July 2021 (UTC)


 * EDIT:


 * Grabarr (CU blocked sock): added "File:Spruner von Merz, Karl; Menke, Th. 1865. Albania, Iberia, Colchis, Armenia, Mesopotamia, Babylonia, Assyria (A).jp.g", to the History of the Caucasus article
 * Culmination: added the exact same map, "File:Spruner von Merz, Karl; Menke, Th. 1865. Albania, Iberia, Colchis, Armenia, Mesopotamia, Babylonia, Assyria (A).jp.g", to the Manneans article
 * - LouisAragon (talk) 11:15, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

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 * The technical evidence is coming up . They're in the same country, but geolocate to completely different areas. They're on different ISPs and ranges.  ~Oshwah~  (talk) (contribs)   16:20, 16 July 2021 (UTC)


 * It's certainly possible, but the topics which Culminatio has been editing are the subject of nationalistic pride, so it would not be surprising if different people shared opinions about which maps are correct, which names to call things, etc. Given the "Unlikely" from CU, I don't see that we can take any action here. -- RoySmith (talk) 13:28, 17 July 2021 (UTC)