Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/பெரும்பாண்டியன்2/Archive

Suspected sockpuppets
The Okiloma first appeared exactly a month after the original account's block on English wikipedia but only began consistently editing after பெரும்பாண்டியன்2's last failed block lifting request in 2022 March and since then has displayed a rather similar pattern to the edits including many identical edits or reinstating பெரும்பாண்டியன்2's edits that had been reverted -  UtoD  17:53, 2 November 2023 (UTC)


 * The new account has been carrying out exact edits as the previous account for example: பெரும்பாண்டியன்2 vs Okiloma. Extremely specific point with both being WP:OR.
 * Again very same edit: பெரும்பாண்டியன்2 vs Okiloma
 * பெரும்பாண்டியன்2 added 2,146 figure which was then reverted for being being WP:OR. Later Okiloma re-adds the exact same figure claiming it is a official release although no source is again provided. It should be noted that பெரும்பாண்டியன்2 has also insisted that they have the official releases with them before without providng the actual sources which is also what Okiloma is doing again.
 * Okiloma has also displayed a similar pattern of using various random UGC screenshots/images as sources.
 * Both heavily expanded the Divisions of the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam and uses WP:UGC forums as sources: பெரும்பாண்டியன்2 vs Okiloma. Editing pattern of Battle of Aanandapuram is also similar with both accounts extensively expanding it with a special emphasis on name lists without providing sources.
 * Both accounts engage in same talk page behaviour when confronted on sources, and accuse the other user of propaganda: பெரும்பாண்டியன்2, 1 vs Okiloma vs 1. Also, note the extremely similar speech pattern, especially following the word propaganda.
 * Also பெரும்பாண்டியன்2 uploads images to commons  after their block from the English wiki which are then linked on the english wikipedia by Okiloma which is most likely a block evasion.

Comments by other users

 * Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.


 * Feel We need to WP:AGF to this. They are many editors with the same interest in the Sri Lankan Civil War topic area hence do not see it as socking.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 21:19, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I did take the AGF route for many of the account's suspicious behavior like the weird talk pages that comes off as trying to act as a different person which of course is not evidence itself. However when the editing lined up too similar to the old account like beginning to carry out the exact same unreferenced edits that the previous account carried out in the Battle of Weli Oya that had been previously reverted made me investigate the account. The lining up of editing patterns and behavior makes me highly suspicious that this is not two people but one. The unreferenced editing in Operation Jayasikurui was the confirming edit as its both unsourced and quite specific to be done by different people simply with the same interest. Both also used and mentioned connections to the same off-wiki forum which I can't use as evidence but it makes me think at least meat-puppetry is going on. I don't start sock investigations on a fluke, I investigated everything and only posted when I was sure of it. There is too much WP:DUCK here. - UtoD  04:30, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The user is a good contributor and the differences are years apart with பெரும்பாண்டியன்2 in 2021 whereas Okiloma has made similar edits in 2022 and 2023.We need to WP:AGF to this as checkuser information is not available.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 17:41, 10 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Which is exactly sockpuppet behaviour I have dealt with before. Reverting such edits is extremely annoying when new accounts pop up trying to restore them. The same WP:OR I removed have been added again. And I am not going to edit war just to clean them up. Let the investigation handle it. Not to mention the old account acted and talked exactly the same way. Also it matches the timeline of the previous accounts activity when it was created and began editing matches with the old accounts timeline of being blocked and its unblock requests. The user should try more unblock requests til it gets unblocked instead of using new accounts to restore content that have been reverted for good reason.- UtoD 05:56, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * - பெரும்பாண்டியன்2 is, so CheckUser won't tell use anything useful here. Sir Sputnik (talk) 23:40, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Moving the case status to open.  Vanjagenije  (talk)  13:08, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I looked fairly closely at the behavior here, and I don't find it convincing enough to block. A link is certainly possible, and the accounts certainly share a POV, but there isn't any sort of smoking gun that makes it obvious that they are the same person. The identical edits listed above are not actually identical; this diff comparison, for instance (1, 2) is exactly what I'd expect in a long-running POV conflict, but not the sort of word-for-word similarity that socks often exhibit. The time cards are all over the place, but are substantially different for all that. I'm not saying these are clearly different, but I'm not willing to block based on behavior alone. I won't stand in the way of someone who is. Vanamonde (Talk) 19:12, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The accused account has made one edit since my previous post, and it was a change that the suspected master had plenty of opportunity to make when editing the same section of the article in 2021, but did not. Given this minor piece of evidence, and no further engagement here by anyone else, I'm marking this for closure. Vanamonde (Talk) 09:44, 9 December 2023 (UTC)