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16 May 2015

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A quack of a duck:, repeated WP:MEDRS and WP:FRINGE/PS violations. Tgeorgescu (talk) 00:08, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

WP:SPA accounts, which did barely something else than WP:ADVOCACY for amygdalin being useful for humans (instead of poisoning and killing humans, as reliable sources imply). Tgeorgescu (talk) 00:21, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

His contributions have been reverted by multiple established editors and apparently he would have had enough time to learn the rules of editing Wikipedia. Tgeorgescu (talk) 00:23, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

At the indicated diff 129CBRider discloses his e-mail address as willwiegman@earthlink.net.

At 129CBRider deletes WP:MEDRS supported info about toxicity and pushes the fringe view that amygdalin improves immune system (thiocyanate story).

At 129CBRider reinserts the thiocyanate story after getting reverted.

At Will Wiegman replaces WP:MEDRS supported info by asserting the fringe view that amygdalin produces a substance essential for the immune system (thiocyanate story).

At Will Wiegman pushes the fringe view that amygdalin is a vitamin.

At Will Wiegman deletes WP:MEDRS compliant information about quackery and toxicity.

At Will Wiegman deletes WP:MEDRS supported info about toxicity and pushes the fringe view that amygdalin improves immune system (thiocyanate story).

At Will Wiegman deletes a WP:MEDRS source and advocates the fringe view that there is no danger of lethal cyanide poisoning.

At Will Wiegman deletes WP:MEDRS compliant info about lethality and advocates the thiocyanate story.

All these articles have in common the substance amygdalin, that's why both accounts are WP:SPA and WP:ADVOCACY. Technically, there could be a WP:3RR violation. Tgeorgescu (talk) 18:08, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

At the IP advocates the fringe view that amygdalin would be a vitamin useful for curing cancer. Tgeorgescu (talk) 18:13, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

At Will Wiegman replies to a ping for 129CBRider and does not object to 129CBRider's use of the willwiegman@earthlink.net address, substantiating the case that he is actively using two Wikipedia accounts. Tgeorgescu (talk) 23:13, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

@Will Wiegman: The idea is that you decide which account you use, because Wikipedia asks you to login using an username and a password. Note that having multiple accounts is permitted, what is not allowed is using multiple accounts in order to avoid WP:3RR blocks (i.e. engage in edit warring using multiple accounts) or in order to violate other rules and guidelines, such as WP:FRINGE, WP:OR, WP:MEDRS, WP:ADVOCACY, WP:TE. Tgeorgescu (talk) 02:04, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

You should read Wikipedia is not a publisher of original thought, In Wikipedia, verifiability means that anyone using the encyclopedia can check the information comes from a reliable source. Tgeorgescu (talk) 02:13, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

About the thiocyanate story, you have mentioned some reliable sources, but none of them speak of amygdalin, so your editing is prohibited as original synthesis. Wikipedia does not have the task to speculate upon what will become the scientific consensus in the future (see also WP:FLAT). Tgeorgescu (talk) 02:19, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

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Yes, all those are me but I am not sure how to change it. Perhaps someone would be kind enough to tell me how to only have the Will Wiegman account so there is not any confusion about it. I have searched through different links referred to in this 'case' but I don't see anyway to create only one account. I am trying to understand better how the site is navigated. Will WiegmanWill Wiegman (talk) 23:47, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
 * You created two user accounts and used them to edit the same article, which is forbidden (see: WP:SOCK). How do you mean "you don't understand". Why did you create a new account? Why have you been using the old account after creating the new one? Explain this please, and explain it well, because otherwise you may find yourself blocked indefinitely for the abuse of multiple accounts.  Vanjagenije  (talk)  21:11, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

User talk:Vanjagenije Hi Van, I'm 66 years old and never had any computer courses ever so I asked my neighbor's grandaughter (9 year old genius) to help me figure this out. I was completely unaware of the two name/account rule so I apologize for the confusion on my part. Here's what happened we think. I had several Windows windows open to do research on Lyme Disease. One of them was a 'private window', to avoid a lot of ads popping up, which is where the comment using only my IP address came from. The 129CBRider account is from my old Asus Eee I used for 5 years but which I still use as it sits on my desk next to my new Asus with Win8.1 on it. When I saw that someone had hacked the Amygdalin site again with a lot of misimformation on Thiocyanate I simply hit the (edit) link without realizing I hadn't logged in. I don't use the 129CBRider name anymore from the Asus Eee unless I am on motorcycle blogs and other fun stuff. When I moved a lot of files from the Eee to the Win 8.1 computer I deleted all passwords and put in new ones on it. I think the other guy 'pinged' my 129CBRider Wiki name and so I responded to it. Then later when I wanted to try to correct the mis-information I logged in with my name so there wouldn't be any confusion as to who I am. (Pretty easy to figure out if you just Google 129CBRider). Now that I understand I will only log in with my name instead of the 129CBRider account, which I will try to close out since that is from a few years ago. Personally, I don't believe in anonymity but I understand other people are afraid of retribution if people know who they really are. Do I need to create a user:Will Wiegman thing or does that already exist when I created the second account? Thanks for your help. Will Wiegman (talk) 14:11, 18 May 2015 (UTC)Will Wiegman

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * Please, provide WP:diffs of edits made by ALL suspected accounts and IPs, in a way to illustrate their similarity.  Vanjagenije  (talk)  10:26, 16 May 2015 (UTC)


 * I tagged your 129CBRider account page as retired (see: User:129CBRider). Please, don't use it anymore. Take this as the final warning. If you continue to use multiple accounts, you may be blocked and banned from Wikipedia. I don't really understand your question ("do I need to create a user:Will Wiegman thing"). Your account is created and you are using it. If you're asking about whether you need to created the user page, the answer is: no. User pages are optional. I also removed your extensive comments about amygdalin, because they don't belong to the Sockpuppet investigation. Please, go to Talk:amygdalin and discuss any issue related to that page. Closing this now.  Vanjagenije  (talk)  20:12, 18 May 2015 (UTC)