Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/174.99.127.20/Archive

24 November 2011

 * Suspected sockpuppets




 * This new IP has stalked me to the following pages, identical behavior to the previous IPs. Their talk page harassment is also identical to previous IPs. Past harassment was so severe I had to have my talk page semi-protected. IP geolocates to Raleigh-Durham, NC area like all previous harassing IPs.
 * Richard Stallman
 * Stuart Grayson
 * Talk:C. S. Lewis
 * Metatron
 * Richard Reames

Yworo (talk) 21:19, 24 November 2011 (UTC)




 * User compare report Auto-generated every hour.


 * Evidence

Common files edited:



Cross edits:

removes list of other IPs used from talk page of

Editing similarities:


 * On Salty Dog Blues
 * 75.177.156.16: "copyright violation"
 * 71.49.56.15: "Infrogmation, please don't put Wikipedia in legal jeopardy without something to back up your claim."
 * 24.163.39.217: "No evidence that these lyrics are not under copyright. Please see the previous discussion on the talk page. And before restoring please provide evidence that the lyrics are not under copyright."


 * Same style of threats:
 * 65.41.234.70:
 * "FINAL WARNING: Stop adding unsourced categories: new section"
 * 69.134.110.78:
 * "Leave one more message – ONE MORE – we go to WP:ANI. And that's not a threat, it's a promise."
 * "This is your FINAL WARNING. If you continue to harass me by leaving messages on my talk page, I take your entire history to ANI. You are "REQUIRED" to cease leaving messages here because I have made a formal demand."
 * "This is your ONLY warning. If you continue to restore messages that I have removed, I go straight to ANI."
 * 71.49.56.15:
 * "That's not evidence. That's your opinion. The correct procedure here is to request a checkuser. This is your final warning to stop leaving messages on this talk page and to stop making unfounded personal attacks. Continue and I'll see you at ANI."


 * Other similarities:
 * When undoing an edit, places edit comment before rather than after the undo message.
 * 24.163.39.217: "No evidence this is the 1900 version, or that this version is not under copyright. AGAIN, see the previous discussion on the talk page. Undid revision 443269727 by Yworo (talk)"
 * 65.41.234.70: "unsourced. Undid revision 369964018 by 216.237.210.43 (talk))"
 * 71.49.56.15: "No more trivial than the mention of the Moody Blues song. Undid revision 444292774 by Yworo (talk)"
 * 71.77.20.119: "Wait until filming begins, per WP:CRYSTAL. Undid revision 371883878 by IcemanStunts (talk)" - note 24.163.39.217 also references WP:CRYSTAL in edit comments
 * 71.77.21.198: "Cease edit warring. Discussion on talk page. Undid revision 353829703 by Seashorewiki (talk)"
 * Accuses others of "false accusations against me of vandalism and harrassment" based on standard templating language:
 * 71.77.20.26: Accusation agaist Wildhartlivie


 * Previous AN/I reports:
 * Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive596: Shows continuity of disruption from to
 * Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive606: includes observation that "You're exploiting the fact that IP-hoppers can't be watched as such"
 * Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive607: adds another IP,
 * In this thread self-identifies with : "I'm 71.77.21.198 editing from a different IP"


 * Geolocate data:
 * 24.163.39.217 Raleigh, NC (Roadrunner)
 * 65.41.234.70 Embarq Corporation
 * 69.134.110.78 Chapel Hill, NC (Roadrunner)
 * 71.49.56.15 Embarq Corporation; Raleigh, NC
 * 71.77.20.26 Wilson, NC (Roadrunner) - has been blocked for vandalism
 * 71.77.20.119 Wilson, NC (Roadrunner)
 * 71.77.21.198 Wilson, NC (Roadrunner)
 * 75.177.156.16 Elm City, NC (Roadrunner)


 * All edits come from the Raleigh-Durham areas of North Carolina. This appears to be an individual who works for Embarq Corporation and also edits from home as will as one or more internet cafes or access points.


 * Stalking my edits:
 * U Thant
 * My edit
 * 69.134.110.70 less than an hour later
 * Timothy Leary
 * My edit
 * 71.49.56.15 just over an hour later
 * Alternative country
 * 69.134.110.78 stalks me to this article mentioning dispute with a different IP, 24.163.39.217, in the edit comment. 69.x.x.x also edits 24.x.x.x's talk page. See above under "Cross-edits".
 * User talk:314editor
 * 24.163.39.174: stalks me to user talk page and makes a personal attack

Yworo (talk) 01:07, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Comments by other users
''Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.'' If making minor edits and commenting at RfC discussions is "stalking", I am guilty as charged. Today I reverted one of Yworo's edits (no nasty comments by me, just an honest disagreement; I even chose to ignore it when Yworo reverted it back even though I could have contested that). That's the only time today our paths crossed until he (typically) exploded into a rage, messaging me to "Buzz off and don't mess with my improvements". I'm not trying to make a counterattack here because I don't consider it either necessary or appropriate, but I think if someone will do a search of "Yworo" at boards for complaints about incivility and personal attacks, you'll find that Yworo has a history of incivility to IPs and new editors, and not just with me. I don't know if that's part of what's motivating him here. But as I have said elsewhere today and previously after Yworo flew into a rage, I welcome any sort of investigation to put things to rest. 174.99.127.20 (talk) 21:47, 24 November 2011 (UTC)


 * What's motivating me is your long record of harassment and evasion. If you are indeed a sock of a banned user, which your behavior appears to indicate, you are not welcome here and have no rights whatsoever. That's what an SSI is filed to determine. This isn't about me, it's about you. Yworo (talk) 21:50, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Let's wait for the results of the investigation before slinging around more attacks and accusations. 174.99.127.20 (talk) 21:53, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * My point is, this is not the venue for attacks and false accusations against me. Please refrain from further attacks, they only reflect badly on you. If you feel the need to file some sort of "report" about my "bad behavior", do so in the correct venue, not here. Yworo (talk) 21:57, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * No one has attacked you or made false accusations on this page. Your editing history speaks for itself and could be germane to this discussion, whether you like it or not. Now please. Try to have a little patience and let this investigation proceed the usual way. 174.99.127.20 (talk) 22:04, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

To admins: I'm sorry to drag out this section, but Yworo just struck one of my comments above. If he does so again I would appreciate some action to stop it. Thanks. 174.99.127.20 (talk) 22:20, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I've just stuck several false accusations and personal attacks above, so clearly your assertion is false on its face. Further accusations resembling personal attacks without explicit evidence provided will also be struck, as is my right to do. Unless you claim to be psychic, evaluation of an editor's emotional state is simply not possible over the internet. I am completely calm, as when swatting a fly. Yworo (talk) 22:22, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * If each of us is allowed to strike what we consider false, I could strike a substantial portion of this page. But that's not how it works on Wikipedia. Now please stop changing my comments. You're simply trying to provoke me, and your behavior is more than a little childish. 174.99.127.20 (talk) 22:26, 24 November 2011 (UTC)


 * See WP:TPO: "Some examples of appropriately editing others' comments: ... Removing harmful posts, including personal attacks..." I only struck them, it would be within my rights to completely remove them. You have no leg to stand on here. Each restoration of a personal attack is equivalent to making the attack again. Given that your last block was for two weeks and your next block will likely last a month, I'd suggest you calm down and stop reverting me. Yworo (talk) 22:56, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * And your posts (including the false accusations) are equally harmful, Yworo, but I have not removed them because that would be inappropriate. Again, your only goal here is to provoke me. Please stop this ridiculous behavior and let an admin figure things out. 174.99.127.20 (talk) 22:59, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * No, my goal here is to get you banned. And you are playing right into by breaking 3RR on two different pages. You need to learn to control your emotions. Yworo (talk) 23:08, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Even though you are trying your best to further provoke me so that I will "play right into" your games, it's not working, Yworo. Again, let the admins do their jobs. 174.99.127.20 (talk) 23:11, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * There is no case here for checkuser, just administration. CheckUser will not find anything that isn't already outlined.  Please take this the the appropriate administrative noticeboard.  Keegan (talk) 07:45, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I've been asked to clarify. Most of the listed IPs are stale, and it is unlikely that a check of IPs will result in any useful data by CheckUser Policy.  Keegan (talk) 07:58, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
 * So, what, a user-conduct RfC? Individual has been taken to AN/I repeatedly under several different IPs for various "fits" of disruptive activity and though some disapproval has been shown both in AN/I threads and via several blocks, the most recent for two weeks with the notation "Get an account", it seems really rather difficult to deal with a person intentionally using their changing IP to hide the connection between the various fits of disruptive activity. Yworo (talk) 16:05, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Pot calling the kettle black. "Fits"? Any time Yworo goes into a rage (which happens invariably if an IP or a new user disagrees with him), he files false and unfounded reports such as this one, and then goes on a rampage of name-calling, false warnings, stalking, striking other users' talk page comments, disruptive reverts of completely appropriate edits, and deception by selectively quoting policies to give the exact opposite impression that is intended in the policy. And Yworo has more than his share of editors who have repeatedly told him to back off, admins who have disagreed with his self-created policies, and complaints filed on message boards about incivility and personal attacks. "So, what ..."? So what, Yworo, is for you to grow up and stop this childish obsession with driving away any IP or new editor who disagrees with you. Wikipedia has enough problems without your annoying sillines. 174.99.127.20 (talk) 16:15, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, I've never been blocked. You have, several times that I know of, and probably others that I don't know of. That seems like the best focus for future investigation, figuring out just how many times you've been blocked, and for what. You've been told by admins to "get an account" on at least three occasions. Yworo (talk) 16:34, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
 * No blocks here either. There you go again, selectively misquoting to give a false impression. For about the fifth time, Yworo, despite your distorted thinking to the contrary, no one is required to register to edit on Wikipedia. That has been an enduring principle that underlies Wikipedia. Now, as you well know, Yworo, this is not the appropriate venue for your continued arguing. Your edits and the actions of other editors toward you speaks for itself and is in the edit histories of talk pages and message boards throughout Wikipedia. So if you wish to continue arguing, this isn't the place to do it, and I don't intend to play into your deliberate attempts at provocation. This is my last message on this page. I hope (but don't expect) that you will have the courtesy to do the same. 174.99.127.20 (talk) 16:42, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

For the record, I have started a listing of blocks and block evasion by this editor here. Yworo (talk) 17:05, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Meaning, of course, your interpretation of who "this editor" is. As always, you think you can read minds. 174.99.127.20 (talk) 17:12, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, I've established the connections. You yourself have made comments making it clear you are continuing a previous dispute. Those comments will be used to establish connections as well as other similarities in editing style, comments, etc. Are you denying that you were previously those IPs? Because if you deny it, then I prove it to be true, that it itself would be grounds for blocking according to our sockpuppet policy under "Avoiding scrutiny":


 * "Using alternative accounts that are not fully and openly disclosed to split your editing history means that other editors cannot detect patterns in your contributions. While this is permitted in certain circumstances (see legitimate uses), it is a violation of this policy to create alternative accounts to confuse or deceive editors who may have a legitimate interest in reviewing your contributions. (Misusing a clean start by switching accounts or concealing a clean start in a way that avoids scrutiny may also be considered a breach of this policy.)"


 * Don't pretend you think this doesn't apply to IP addresses, read WP:SOCK. I am hereby asking you to disclose the entire list of IPs you have used, starting from the beginning. Using any IP address without "fully and openly" disclosing your previous IPs when asked would be a clear violation of this policy. So, tell me, do you claim that any of the IPs listed so far are not you? Yworo (talk) 17:20, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't claim anything except that you are oddly obsessed with getting rid of any IP or new editor who disagrees with you. But goes ahead with this project, Yworo. A positive by-product of your obsession with going after me is that you have less time and energy to engage in your favorite activity of harassing and attacking other IPs and new editors. In the broader view of what's best for Wikipedia, that's not a bad deal. So have at it! Now, as I said, I don't intend to play into your deliberate attempts at provocation by arguing with you on this page. 174.99.127.20 (talk) 17:27, 26 November 2011 (UTC)


 * TLDR, but it seems that only the IP listed as the master has been used in the last three months. I'm closing with no action taken. If there's harassment going on, take it elsewhere. —  Hello Annyong  (say whaaat?!) 03:00, 1 December 2011 (UTC)