Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/2A1ZA/Archive

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This is a case of meat puppetry, and the IPs wont match. The user 2A1ZA is a single purpose account (only edit subject in connection to Rojava who declared that what made him join Wikipedia is facing off "Arab" ultra-nationalists). I dont know how to deal with this, the editor is a member in a gathering of political activists (which I wont give info about to avoid "outing". But I can provide evidence of him belonging to an organized political activists group that is involved in advocating the user interests if Im asked to by Functionaries) and every time one of his edits get rejected, different IPs and new accounts (meat puppets) will magically show up to support it!. He is specially involved now in the article Human rights in Rojava

An example will be when he tried to insert the most controversial edit. He was reverted three times by me and another user and suddenly !, an IP with no previous edits showed up and started edit warring to restore the controversial edit then disappeared right after the page was protected. After staying away from that particular edit while the IP fought for it, 2A1ZA re-asked for it following the protection of the page which made the IP useless.

Another example would be when I reported him on the 23 October. The same exact day, Two new accounts (this and this) came to the article and started reverting. I joined them into the report. Ofcourse they didnt share the same IP with the 2A1ZA but belonged to the same person and were blocked and 2A1ZA looked as if he was falsely accused.

The article is under the 1 revert rule, and in the light of what I showed, the rule will only benefit a group of activists who have the numbers and resources to abuse the article and get away with it. 2A1ZA wouldnt have to revert more than once cause his edits will always get backed by new people and it will be 10 editors against me. This is how Wikipedia can be manipulated and its sad. Thanks. Attar-Aram syria (talk) 15:13, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

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Any of these allegations are false as far as my person/account is concerned, and I would really wish that this editor would leave me out of these silly games with which he poisons article-oriented discussions. In particular this accusation of me allegedly belonging to an "organized political activist group" on Wikipedia is absurd to the point of being comical. -- 2A1ZA (talk) 15:46, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

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This is an odd filing and presentation of evidence. That said, 2A1ZA is ❌ to the other named accounts. The possibility of meat puppetry cannot be demonstrated here. I see no basis for taking any action. Closing.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:44, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Your remarks in other forums were intemperate, but at the same time you make some valid points, and on that basis I've reconsidered my close. Please do me a favor and e-mail me any private evidence you have. That would help. Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:05, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I sent an Email. Take care.--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 18:09, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the e-mail. There are a lot of links to review, but I want to see evidence that 2A1ZA is connected, even if not technically, to Wikiwürmleini and/or PoliticoSearch. Unless I missed something, I didn't see that evidence.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:28, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
 * The connection requires mentioning a former case which you forbade me from doing here on Wikipedia, so I sent another E-mail with the details and links. Thanks.--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 19:56, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I have carefully reviewed the private evidence you e-mailed me. Although I understand your logic and sympathize with your view, there are too many assumptions I have to make to justify a block of 2A1ZA as a meat puppet. I am therefore reclosing this SPI with no further action.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:30, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

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Whenever the user is not winning an argument or not getting his edits approved, new accounts and IPs who know exactly how to edit and what page they need to come to shows up. They are always in favor of 2A1ZA. CheckUser evidence might be needed to prove sock puppeting from the same person. Please see the following evidence regarding the articles Rojava and Turkish military intervention in Syria:

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Log: 213.74.186.109 (talk) 13:01, 11 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Hello Ivanvector, I wanna jump here. I have a very convincing diff. In this edit, (diff 1) 2A1ZA inserted a controversial information.
 * He was reverted three times by me and another user and suddenly, the IP 91.61.68.107 who had no previous edits showed up and started edit warring to restore the controversial edit itself (see 1, 2, 3). Then the IP disappeared right after the page was protected due to edit warring. After staying away from that particular edit while the IP fought for it, 2A1ZA re-asked for it following the protection of the page which made the IP useless. I think that comparing the edit of 2A1ZA and the edits of 91.61.68.107 who solely came to reinstate that particular same edit will reveal something.
 * Just see the edit summary of 2A1ZA in this diff 1 and the IP's summary in this diff 2. They both give the order to look in the talk page and defend a certain point: that Rojava is what its creators claim. --Attar-Aram syria (talk) 23:49, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

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None of the handful of IP-edits linked in this "accusation" were made or in any shape or form solicited by me. I wish that these silly games would just stop. Please check the edit history of the "accusing" IP, the colleague appears to be strongly invested in political emotions concerning a political cause in the Middle East, and dislikes me with a passion for upholding Wikipedia policy with respect to his edits. -- 2A1ZA (talk) 14:20, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

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We don't publicly connect IP(s) to named accounts. CU declined.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:32, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
 * - all of the IPs are pretty obviously the same user but I don't see much here to establish a connection to 2A1ZA. rather than simply listing a series of edits, can you provide a few diffs in a way that shows that 2A1ZA's edits are substantially similar to the edits by the listed IPs? Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 04:16, 13 November 2016 (UTC)


 * 2A1ZA discloses to be German and the IP geolocates to Germany. While it's possible that the IP is used by 2A1ZA for bad-hand edits, the evidence here and that I could find elsewhere is not sufficient to establish that connection. The IP didn't go away when the page was protected, they participated in the ensuing discussion. Furthermore I see that has made this accusation using this evidence before.  did a much more thorough investigation based on additional private evidence and concluded that a connection cannot be established, and there's nothing here for me to counter that observation.  I suggest that you read WP:OTHERPARENT. Case is closed. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 16:25, 14 November 2016 (UTC)