Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/ARTEST4ECHO/Archive

29 May 2010

 * Suspected sockpuppets

Since I made the decision to nominate the Simon Monjack article for deletion, a majority of editors have chosen to vote keep in the nominations, a number of those caught my attention are those who repeated sentences in the nominations, plus a number of these nominations including the sockpuppteer are written to look like a character reference for Mr. Monjack. Secondly, Lisan1978 is a WP:SPA user who exists to vote keep on the AfD nomination of Mr. Monjack. Thirdly, the one that caught my attention is the line "independent from his wife" in the nominations, which indicates to me that this user is a sockpuppet.
 * Evidence submitted by Donnie Park (talk)

If none of these are sockpuppets, then I am suspecting that they are conflict of interest cases, in another words, friends and families of Mr. Monjack.

I feel that there maybe a lot more in this nomination. Hence I request a WP:CHECK on those who have nominated in this article. Donnie Park (talk) 00:53, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Comments by accused parties
See Defending yourself against claims. I'm not sure how to defend myself other then say that I am only have one account "ARTEST4ECHO" unless I accidentally forget to log in and my ISP shows up. However, I try to make sure this rarely happens. I have no intention of using a Sockpuppet account. I have a complete profile giving plenty of details as to me and my identity and I have a real e-mail address. I also have a 3 year history of independent edits. If Lisan1978 and 160.142.1.16 have the same ISP account number as I do it is becuse we may work together (which I don't know). BEI (where I have always listed as my emplyment in my profile) uses 12.179.120 and at home I use a comcast account (I'm not sure what it's ISP number is). However, I do most of my editing during breaks at work so 12.179.120. I will be more then happy to do whatever needs to be done to verify I am not using a Sockpuppet account. However, I'm really not sure how to go about it.

As to what I meant with "independent from his wife" was that I have heard of "Simon Monjack" due to his work on "Two Days, Nine Lives" not due to his wife and her works. I have never met him or his wife or anyone who knows him personally for that matter.--ARTEST4ECHO talk 13:01, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments
Requested by Donnie Park (talk) 10:08, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

If they are sockpuppets, the vote stacking did not affect the outcome. If they are meatpuppets, checkuser is unlikely to be of much assistance. Honestly, I do not expect them to be sockpuppets as I see significant differences in editing styles between ARTEST4ECHO, Lisan1978, and the IP editor. I also do not consider "independent of his wife" to be that unusual of a phrase. I am very convinced they are not the same person. If more evidence comes to light, please feel free to offer it, but based on what is presented now I cannot endorse this. -- Sh i r ik ( Questions or Comments? ) 10:43, 29 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Closing; no followup comment and nothing to do here. Feel free to reopen the investigation if new evidence becomes available. -- Sh i r ik ( Questions or Comments? ) 17:11, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

03 February 2015

 * Suspected sockpuppets




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Talk:Desdemona Wadsworth Fullmer Smith: Quick synchronized voting and edits. Kbabej (talk) 19:18, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

Comments by other users
''Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.''

Kbabej has a content dispute with both ARTEST4ECHO and myself on Desdemona Wadsworth Fullmer Smith, and we happen to be editing at the same time on the same article; synchronicity happens. Sockpuppet investigations are not a proper venue for resolving such a dispute, but I'm willing to volunteer for checkuser oversight if needed to get the focus back on the edits, and not the editors. And to be clear I have no relationship with ARTEST4ECHO outside of WP, but we both are members of Wikipedia:WikiProject Latter Day Saint movement, and we both actively edit in articles related to that subject, so we run across each other fairly frequently. — Asterisk *  Splat → 19:53, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Please note that Kbabej has stated "This almost smells like sockpuppetry" on my talk page. The "almost" in this statement speaks to me of a degree of disingenuity about this request. If they do not believe sockpuppetry has occurred, how can Kbabej be wholly acting in good faith here? Once a check user comes back in the negative, I'd expect an apology from them for escalating a simple content dispute in this way. — Asterisk *  Splat → 20:16, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I went back and removed "almost" from your talk page, adding the appropriate tags to show a word had been changed. I've had content edit stuff with people before, and haven't escalated anything. You stated that you have no issue being investigated, and therefore should have nothing to worry about. I do think that your quick synchronized edits on the Desdemona page, and having worked together before, look suspicious. My request is genuine, especially considering your support between accounts of removing a source that is very commonly used on Wikipedia. Also, stating what you expect from me here apology wise has nothing to do with them investigating you for sockpuppetry. As an aside, that apology won't be forthcoming, because it seems as if you have targeted an article that uses common references for some arbitrary reason. That is neither here nor there, however. --Kbabej (talk) 20:25, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

User:ARTEST4ECHO response: I am not a Sockpuppet of User:AsteriskStarSplat. If it helps I can show examples of how we are not the same person I admit I agree with AsteriskStarSplat on Desdemona Wadsworth Fullmer Smith, which is why Kbabej is upset. However, I first I attempted to help Kbabej improve the page (see here) before AsteriskStarSplat commented on the notability of Desdemona Smith. I had already felt that notability was an issue, so when AsteriskStarSplat commented on it I was forced to agreed with him and suggest a merge.--- ARTEST4ECHO(Talk) 21:19, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
 * 1) We have disagree each other on a number of occasions, such as at Homosexuality and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
 * 2) AsteriskStarSplat has undo some of my edits, such as at Belfry Players. Why would I make an edit as myself, then undo it as AsteriskStarSplat?
 * 3) AsteriskStarSplat has asked me if it would bother me if he deleted a page I created, which I then agreed to put it up for deletion myself. (see here). Why would I ask myself to delete something I created (to be nice), then put it up as myself in response, especially when I can request deletion at any time for pages I created?
 * 4) I have notified AsteriskStarSplat about ANI boards that I opened that involve him in the past. Why would I bother to notify myself?
 * 5) AsteriskStarSplat has answered a number of questions for me in the past on subjects I don't know about, such as at Brian David Mitchell and John D. Lee. Why (and how) would I ask and answer my own questions?
 * Skeptical comment. I am reasonably familiar with both User:AsteriskStarSplat and User:ARTEST4ECHO. They both do edit often in Latter Day Saint-related areas, but it has never crossed my mind that they are sockpuppets of one another, and I find it to be highly unlikely that there is any connection whatsoever apart from a coincidence in editing interest. As noted, there have been instances of disagreement between the two, and they just overall they each have unique styles of editing and interacting. I guess it won't do any harm to run a check, but I hardly think it's necessary. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:21, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * No substantial evidence has been presented to suggest there is sockpuppetry here. The editor interaction tools I've looked at suggest these accounts belongs to two different individuals. Mike V • Talk 03:48, 4 February 2015 (UTC)