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Similar users that I am opening up for a behavioral investigation: For a start, the users both chose usernames in other languages, and had signatures which simplified them. The current meta page for the named master claims association with the Russian Wikipedia, and he is at least familiar enough with the language to post there and his ability to converse grammatically in Russian as evidenced by this conversation on his ru.wiki talk page.

The accounts both show an obsession with WikiProject tagging and correcting for regions within the United Kingdom:

Dysk: ,

Ilyina:, , ,

The third diff above in the Russian section is particularly important, because it follows Dysk's preference for regional WikiProjects within the United Kingdom and not typically dual-tagging for England/its counties. This is a trait that one would not expect of a new user. The importance of tagging and assessment to this user can be easily found by their creation of WikiProject Cornwall/Article importance rankings. Comments like this also show a focus on WikiProjects, which matches Dysk's and would be something unlikely for a new user.

Their AfD comments are also somewhat similar. In particular this comment at an AfD matches their (deleted) comment here, where they discuss the current consensus on inclusion for NYT/BBC.

The user also users similar language used in edit summaries:

Dysk:, , , ,

Ilyina:, , , ,

Finally, there is the overlap in chosen topic: Dysk focused on geographic locations, particularly those within the United Kingdom, as well as Cornwall and Devon as an even smaller sub-focus. The new user has not returned to Cornish topics, but has already start focusing on Devon and Dorset in their creations, but counties relatively close in proximity to Cornwall.

Dysk:Folly Gate, East Worlington, East Worlington

Ilyina: Monkokehampton, Revelstoke, Devon, Pathfinder Village, Gussage St. Andrew

Their creations as a whole are similar, but in particular of note are the creation of geographic lists in similar formats:

Dysk: List of Gardens in Cornwall, List of rivers in Cornwall, List of bus routes in Cornwall, List of islands of Cornwall

Ilyina: List of villages in Estonia and many of it's subordinate lists.

I am not requesting a CU on this as I doubt it would be useful. The user has revealed on their meta talk that they have their own MediaWiki install, so they are likely familiar with how CU works and how to cheat it. There are other behavioral similarities here as well, which I can go into if needed, but I'd prefer not to for BEANS reasons. TonyBallioni (talk) 17:38, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I've also added the self-declared socks above as a bullet for the record. None of them are currently being used. TonyBallioni (talk) 17:44, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Without directly referencing the oversighted material, I just want to say that I still believe that this is a Dysk sock, and that given how deceptive this user is, nothing would surprise me. Despite what the user claims below, the similarities here, especially with geographic focus, similar editing style, and other behavioral similarities that I can't share on-wiki. TonyBallioni (talk) 00:41, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

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 * I am not a sock-puppet of 'Dysklyver', however I am not a new user either, I have made minor edits here over the years anonymously and also done much work on the Russian Wikipedia anonymously. It is on the Russian Wikipedia that I learnt about WikiProjects and it is standard practice there to only put the banner of the most local project on the article (example). I am mostly interested in geography and my edits are accordingly mostly related to geography and earth sciences. The main reason I created an account is that it is a requirement to make new articles here, and I do a lot of that, so far I have created 61 articles, 51 are published already. All the similarities noted by TonyBallioni are purely coincidental and are not substantial. Ilyina Olya Yakovna (talk) 00:15, 4 February 2018 (UTC)


 * I tried to contact TonyBallioni on IRC again before posting here, but was unsuccessful. However I was successful in talking to Dysklyver. I copy what he said below.


 * It's clear to me at this point that the "other behavioral similarities that I can't share on-wiki" TonyBallioni mentions are somehow related to my interaction with TonyBallioni on IRC. However after the last post about IRC I made was so speedily redacted, I also understand there is some rule against referring to IRC conversations in detail on Wikipedia talk pages. That is IRC information is somehow privileged secret information. I am happy to discuss this in private with TonyBallioni or with others as needed, and supply information to prove I am real. Ilyina Olya Yakovna (talk) 01:22, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Supposedly they are siblings just fyi Ⓩⓟⓟⓘⓧ Talk 23:25, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
 * CU data involves much more than just IP addresses that would help account for this. There are also other reasons to doubt this claim. TonyBallioni (talk) 23:40, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

Just in case those involved aren't reading Cyrillic, "Ильина Оля Яковна" transliterates to Ilyina Olya Yakovna. ☆ Bri (talk) 00:53, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

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 * Arthur Kerensa and are ✅ to A Den Jentyl Ettien Avel Dysklyver.
 * Ильина Оля Яковна and Ilyina Olya Yakovna are ✅ to each other and very, very to Dysklyver based on ISP, OS, and geolocation.
 * All accounts blocked and tagged. This obviously changes the block for Dysklyver into an indef CU block. I'll leave this open for a bit in case there are comments or other accounts that need to be checked. Katietalk 16:10, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
 * All set.  QEDK ( 桜  ❄  伴 ) 12:44, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

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Google Cloud IP that has been blocked by Katie. See this post on my talk. Filing for the record. TonyBallioni (talk) 14:51, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

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 * Closed, per above. TonyBallioni (talk) 14:51, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

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This is a self-declaration of alternative/related accounts for the record since I am breaking cover by posting on Articles for deletion/Truro Civic Society. I have tagged them already to save the clerk people some work. Can't there is a filter. Regards. Your Favourite Troll (mute) 21:41, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

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 * I've blocked the account that the user filed this under. Can we please get a CU to confirm the ones that aren't stale to confirm and to run a check for sleepers/see if there is a proxy or range that needs to be blocked. TonyBallioni (talk) 21:48, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
 * - TNT❤ 21:54, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
 * All ✅ to each other, and to ADJEAD (barring those too stale) - TNT❤ 22:00, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Blocked all the unblocked ones as well per self-admission. Closing. TonyBallioni (talk) 22:04, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

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! dave 12:03, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

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 * - TNT❤ 12:06, 16 February 2018 (UTC)


 * ✅, no sleepers immediately visible - TNT❤ 12:08, 16 February 2018 (UTC)


 * - TNT❤ 12:08, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Marking as closed. Primefac (talk) 12:17, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

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Some behavioural evidence for both, and a user was asking in one of the Wikipedia IRC channels for "Dysklyver/MensanDeltiologist". Can't be too careful with this user. -- Thanks, Alfie. talk to me &#124; contribs 15:31, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

Further evidence: MensanDeltiologist says they've been, and has an overlap with , (for instance at Ralph_Underhill, who's previously been blocked as part of the Lacypaperclip/related users SPI. This alone might not be quite enough reason to warrant a CU investigation, but combined with a user I don't recognise (can't seem to find them in my IRC logs) coming into IRC and asking for a known sockmaster or some new user? That's a few too many coincidences, IMO. -- Thanks, Alfie. talk to me &#124; contribs 16:11, 23 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Further evidence added. -- Thanks, Alfie. talk to me &#124; contribs 16:11, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

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The second name is not a registered username. ! dave 15:40, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm smart. Intended to copy "Bythebooklibrary", but they've already been blocked. Striking. -- Thanks, Alfie. talk to me &#124; contribs 15:43, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

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You've presented no evidence. Unless you add sufficient evidence, this will be closed with no action.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:50, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Closing for insufficient evidence.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:35, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

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I duck blocked after consulting with DoRD involving some off-wiki info and a possible CU result. One of this users first edits was to the Cornwall Portal. Followed by an MfD about it and subsequent edits to the Devon portal, another area of interest. Name format also matches a globally locked on MediaWiki who a steward locked as being this LTA. Other similarities I don't want to get into per BEANS. Filing for the record. TonyBallioni (talk) 14:42, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

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 * per above. Closing. TonyBallioni (talk) 14:44, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

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Just filing for the record so there is a public record for non-CU admins of IPs used to evade the blocks and locks. All of the 109 IPs have commented here on the block/have admitted it in their signature, and have blanked the lock appeal on meta. The 86 IP is appealing the lock on meta. Filing for the record. TonyBallioni (talk) 20:52, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

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 * Closed, per above. TonyBallioni (talk) 20:52, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

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Creation of User:Forceradical/sandbox/idle AW mockups and addition of promotional content at User:FR30799386/sandbox probably suppressed now. — FR&thinsp;+ 03:34, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

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 * As a note, the name translates to "Dmitry Bugaev". Primefac (talk) 21:34, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
 * The Cyrillic name plus editing a sandbox for a project he had tried to force himself into with ACTRIAL makes this definitely a possible sock. Same with a few other things here. For a reviewing CheckUser or clerk and  are two recent ones that CU has been run on (DoRD checked JLJ001 and I blocked based on behavioral evidence and his findings). TonyBallioni (talk) 23:55, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Maybe I'm missing something. What is the connection to A Den Jentyl Ettien Avel Dysklyver, aside from the Cyrillic username? Sro23 (talk) 00:30, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
 * he tried to force himself into the article wizard redesign with FR during the ACTRIAL run-up. See User:A Den Jentyl Ettien Avel Dysklyver/Article Creation Wizard/New draft. The redlink above FR had used as drafts for that process. Finding that specific deleted page of a non-existent username is pretty odd and likely would require knowing of its former existence. I’m not convinced either way on this one currently, or I would have gone ahead and blocked, but it’s an odd connection. TonyBallioni (talk) 00:34, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
 * The account appears to be ❌ to Dysk. —DoRD (talk)​ 03:05, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Closing per above. TonyBallioni (talk) 03:40, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

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I'm hesitant to file this per WP:BEANS and I apologize for being a bit vague but given the level of socking from this user...it seems best.


 * 1) submits Draft:Maisie Trollette, which was created by a BT IP (dysk's usual provider) and is a Cornwall related article.
 * 2) Userpage with the same usual nonsense as past socks (email me for further detail.)
 * 3) Immediately delves into AFDs of clearly notable topics just like past accounts CHRISSY MAD  ❯❯❯  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  14:42, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

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 * The account has now been locked by a steward as a sock of A Den Jentyl Ettien Avel Dysklyver. -★- PlyrStar93  → Message me. ← 14:59, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

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 * Blocked but there will be a shit load of other socks going around knowing the tedious person Dysk is, so endorsing a check. Nick (talk) 14:49, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
 * . —DoRD (talk)​ 14:59, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I agree with Nick’s behavioral assessment. Tagging as a suspected sock. Closing. TonyBallioni (talk) 15:02, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

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Obvious behavioral connection with Dysklever. Added here for the record. Katietalk 15:00, 15 November 2018 (UTC) Katietalk 15:00, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

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. Blocked, tagged, closed. Katietalk 15:00, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

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Recreation of multiple articles created by confirmed puppet that were mass deleted by  as a result of a previous SPI:,,. I requested Checkuser just in case that the recurrent history of puppets may be warrant to search for additional linked accounts. Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 22:25, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

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 * ❌. Closing. TonyBallioni (talk) 23:19, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

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IP 92 has similar behavior to indeffed user  and their globally banned sock, and although having only a dozen lifetime edits at this IP, has knowledge of discussions about users indefinitely blocked five years ago with similar editing behavior to their own. IP 92 is currently range-blocked (log) as a "range used by User:Vote (X) for Change".

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In the middle of a discussion with IP 92.31.142.60 on their UTP, after I recommended that they register for a free account, IP 92 made this odd observation at 16:34, 1 April 2022 (diff):

Checking that link, and User talk:Arthur Kerensa, I found AK to have been indeffed @16:43, Nov. 25 2017 (see block notice at top of User talk:Arthur Kerensa; no Diff available: page history only goes back to 28 Nov but no further), as a sock of User:A Den Jentyl Ettien Avel Dysklyver. (They are also globally banned by WMF Office; see (log.) I really didn't want to spend the time to compile this report, but the behavioral similarities, not to mention their&mdash;what? audacious? foolish? devil-may-care?&mdash;willingness or even eagerness to see themselves investigated or blocked seems to leave me no choice. As said in the 2017 ANI block discussion about Dysklyver, "WTF is going on when the subject endorses his own indef block?" I can only agree. Mathglot (talk) 20:57, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * 1) How does an IP editing in 2022 with a total history of a dozen edits even know about a 2017 block notice at a UTP?
 * 2) Similarities in positive attitude towards sanctions proposed against them, and facts that may lead to their being investigated or blocked:
 * 3) * In the November 2017 ANI proposal to indefinitely block them, Dysklyver said (diff):
 * 4) * On their UTP, IP 92 volunteered their knowledge about Kerensa and their 2017 block (16:34, 1 April 2022; diff):
 * 5) * On their UTP, IP 92 invited a sock investigation (13:08, 2 April 2022; diff):
 * 1) * On their UTP, IP 92 invited a sock investigation (13:08, 2 April 2022; diff):
 * 1) * On their UTP, IP 92 invited a sock investigation (13:08, 2 April 2022; diff):
 * A couple of links from Meta, which I don't know if they are useful here or not:
 * Steward_requests/Global/2018-11 – an unblock request from another sock
 * Steward requests/Global/2018-02 – dozens of users listed
 * Mathglot (talk) 21:38, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

IP is range-blocked

Note that the IP is range-blocked, and may need assistance transferring their comments here if they wish to comment. Mathglot (talk) 03:44, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

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 * I'm guessing you meant and not  :) — I've corrected the link ~TNT (talk • she/her) 21:11, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, indeed; that was a copy/paste error on my part. Thanks for fixing that. Mathglot (talk) 21:49, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * As you noted, 92.31.142.60 is part of a range that is already blocked. Accordingly, the determination of whether this is actually Dysklyver seems mostly academic. Regardless of whether it is him, the IP is already blocked for 6 months, so no further action seems to be necessary here. I recommend simply disengaging from responding to this person on their talk page—if they persistently bother you with pings, we can revoke their talk page access, as one's talk page while blocked should generally only be used to discuss appeals. Closing without action. Mz7 (talk) 03:54, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Understood, thanks. Rdv in 6 months, perhaps, but let's hope not. Mathglot (talk) 05:53, 5 April 2022 (UTC)