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 * 1) Both created draft for "Kottakkal Kanaran Gurukkal" and requested approval at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Kerala.
 * 2) Othayoth shankaran's wish to add "philosophy, soul, and yogic stuff"  was executed by Kalari Poothara.
 * 3) Ezhava.

There are tag teams (Kalariwarrior, Outlander07, MRRaja001, Vishnu vaaish, Pahunkat) editing same topics (also in Malayalam Wikipedia). It might be a mix of WP:MEAT and sock, and it may or may not have connection with Kalangot. Please have a detailed check. 2409:4073:4D91:3784:40E0:2957:5A9:FB08 (talk) 15:48, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

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More diff: "Kalari salutation Mantra". 2409:4073:4E9C:CC12:24C1:CAF9:9FD4:6A58 (talk) 17:18, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

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 * The listed master is stale. No useful data will be able to be retrieved for a CU comparison. This case will need a behavioral investigation. Declining CU...  ~Oshwah~  (talk) (contribs)   17:31, 9 December 2020 (UTC)


 * I realize this edit of yours was almost a year ago so you may not remember the details, but you implied ("you need to make the request from your original account") that there may have been socking going on there. Do you remember what was going on?  I ask because it was suggested that Kalangot might be related to this case.  -- RoySmith (talk) 15:26, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I suspect I believed the master was, as that is and was the account listed at User:Kalangot. Some other socks edited into 2020, but nothing in the past six months as far as I can see (based on block logs, not based on checkuser info). --Yamla (talk) 16:05, 23 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Well, at this point, is already blocked as a  sock (who already has collected a fair number).  It's entirely possible  falls into that sock drawer too, but I've already gone as far down that rabbit hole as seems worthwhile.  I'm just going to rename this to  and leave it at that. -- RoySmith (talk) 17:56, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

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Nandanavijayan created on Dec 7, Kalari Poothara temporarily stopped activity after Dec 6.

On Dec 10, KP edited at 05:20, Nandanavijayan was online before and after that (03:12 and 07:18)

Same section title and content -

After Nandanavijayan's edit on Ezhava got reverted, switched account and returned as KP (both were online around the same time), beside,  was originally uploaded by Othayoth shankaran (blocked).

Othayoth shankaran is in turn was the former account of KP: -,  157.46.218.41 (talk) 15:15, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

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Old wine in a new bottle, undoubtedly one of them. Outlander 07@talk 12:25, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Another one, might be used only for their new article related promotional purposes. Outlander 07@talk 17:35, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

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 * - Given the extensive overlap, and largely sequential nature of new accounts being created soon after other accounts are blocked, socking seems likely. Mostly to look at Cyscoss and Stalinmars.  I've added  to the list because they were mentioned as a possible prior account for Kalari, but of all the accounts here, they're the only one that doesn't appear to be on mobile, so that association is doubtful. -- RoySmith (talk) 21:00, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Following accounts are ✅ to each other:
 * Those accounts are to Kalari Poothara. Othayoth shankaran is  to Kalari Poothara. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 00:15, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Those accounts are to Kalari Poothara. Othayoth shankaran is  to Kalari Poothara. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 00:15, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Those accounts are to Kalari Poothara. Othayoth shankaran is  to Kalari Poothara. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 00:15, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Those accounts are to Kalari Poothara. Othayoth shankaran is  to Kalari Poothara. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 00:15, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Those accounts are to Kalari Poothara. Othayoth shankaran is  to Kalari Poothara. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 00:15, 25 December 2020 (UTC)


 * you blocked some of these (including recently as  socks.  Maybe these two cases should be merged? -- RoySmith (talk) 00:49, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I think the cases should be merged as the overlap in language and content is significant. However, there is a non-zero probability that there are 2-3 groups that are coordinating off-wiki on their caste forums like with many other castes. It's also likely that some accounts were missed in the past, between the different checks. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  01:47, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
 * , Yeah, I agree we may be looking at multiple groups, but I'll go ahead and do the merge in a moment. I do note that  (in the confirmed group above) was one of the original suspects in the 09 December 2020 Adhithya Kiran Chekavar report. -- RoySmith (talk) 03:36, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Blocked and tagged Stalinmars and Vishnu vaaish as suspected socks of Adhithya Kiran Chekavar. Note to future clerks: don't put too much faith in the tagging here.  As noted in the discussion, there may well be two (or more) groups that have gotten intermingled in this single case.  -- RoySmith (talk) 03:50, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

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Sreedevi8844 is so obvious, waited 4 days and made exactly 10 edits and went straight to semi-protected Chekavar after auto-confirming.

For Vvian980, its mostly off-en.wikipedia evidences. Promoting their caste, Thiyya.

Ezhava→Thiyya:, same trait as  and all others.

Overlaps at Mannanar with Nandanavijayan, Vishnu vaaish, Kalangot, Kadathanadan chekavar, Adhithya Kiran Chekavar.

At commons.wikimedia, both Vvian980 and Othayoth shankaran uploads same pictures (related to Thiyya):
 * , (on the same date, 6 Oct 2020)
 * Same copyright violation, uploaded a $65,000 worth painting of Unniyarcha as "own work". - (remember there was also a sock User:Unniyarcha).

At ml.wikipedia, overlaps at all articles:
 * പൂരക്കളി [Poorakkali] -, Vishnu vaaish
 * കേരളത്തിലെ ജാതി വ്യവസ്ഥകൾ [Castes in Kerala] -, Vishnu_vaaish
 * നായർ [Nair] -, Stalinmars, Nandanavijayan, Othayoth shankaran, Vishnu vaaish, Kalangot
 * തീയർ [Thiyya] -, Cyscoss, Othayoth shankaran, Nandanavijayan, Vishnu vaaish, Kalari Poothara
 * ഈഴവർ [Ezhava] -, Stalinmars, Nandanavijayan, Vishnu vaaish.

Channaar123 is probably an early missed account, same activity and behavior at the same articles, promoting Thiyya. Channaar123 started editing Ezhava after Othayoth_shankaran blocked in April 2020. 137.97.71.17 (talk) 15:57, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

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 * - Not so much to confirm socking, but more to see if there's any more clues about this all being one big sock farm or several smaller ones. -- RoySmith (talk) 16:32, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
 * In the meantime, I've bumped up the protection on Chekavar and Kalaripayattu to ECP. Ezhava was already at ECP.  Those three seem to be the most common targets; if anybody knows of others, please ping me. -- RoySmith (talk) 17:05, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Sreedevi8844 is ✅ to Cyscoss. Vvian980 is to all of the others (effectively a new group). Channaar123 is . For some extra info, all of these accounts are editing from the same geographical area but on different ranges and with different devices. My suspicion is the same as SpacemanSpiff regarding offwiki collaboration. Given the range of different ranges and devices being used it's likely that, as the data becomes more stale, possible and likely results will be more common so behavioural analysis will be the most useful tool in this case. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 00:58, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Sreedevi8844 is the easy case, and they're already blocked. As for the others, I'm not going to take any action at this time.  Vvian980 has such a limited editing history, there's no realistic way to discriminate between being a sock vs a legitimate new user, perhaps motivated by off-wiki activities, sharing an interest in Thiyya with other editors.  Channaar123 hasn't edited in close to 8 months so I'm not going to invest any effort there.  Activity on other wikis carries limited weight here, not to mention that since I can't read the language, it's hard to really evaluate.  So, closing with no further action. -- RoySmith (talk) 04:17, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

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Created a day after blocking Sreedevi8844. Same Thiyya promotion, overlaps at Thandan with Nandanavijayan, at Chandu Chekavar with Vishnu vaaish and Nandanavijayan, at Malabar Special Police with Othayoth shankaran and Nandanavijayan. User is also editing the same articles in Malayalam Wikipedia, some accounts has already been blocked there. ശാക്തേയം is active in Malayalam Wikipedia, resuming the leftover edits of previous accounts. Vvian980 has returned to activity, was not blocked last time citing inactivity. 157.44.190.7 (talk) 11:47, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

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and, they may have been born as twins. Outlander 07@talk 17:11, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Jijubahubali and ശാക്തേയം blocked in ml.wiki, with the latter CU confirmed with Vishnu vaaish.--157.46.173.97 (talk) 10:10, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Vvian980 CU blocked in Commons and tagged to Adhithya Kiran Chekavar.--157.46.143.58 (talk) 10:39, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

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 * . The geolocations are the same, but different ranges and user agents.  ~Oshwah~  (talk) (contribs)   19:19, 8 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Thoughts:
 * Jijubahubali is likely a meatpuppet, edits to Malabar Special Police are basically reinstating blocked sock Nandanavijayan's edits (spelled differently, though) but their other overlaps aren't especially strong. Blocked as suspected.
 * Based on cross-wiki evidence (discussion at c:Commons:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Adhithya_Kiran_Chekavar), I'm willing to accept that Vvian980 may also be a meatpuppet. Blocked as suspected.
 * I'm leaving ശാക്തേയം alone, since they have no enwiki or commons contribs and I can't read that script well enough to do any kind of behavioral analysis on mlwiki.
 * Gut feeling here is that these are different people who may be coordinating in some way off-wiki, pretty standard for caste warriors.
 * Note to future clerks: if there are more socks confirmed to Adhithya Kiran Chekavar, you should probably start requesting locks - master is blocked on two wikis (enwiki, commons) and I think some of our confirmed socks are also blocked on mlwiki. GeneralNotability (talk) 15:57, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

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Created on Jan 3 at 09:41, Jijubahubali was last online on that day at 09:12.

This is classic. Assuming good faith, this new user doesn't know and had never crossed path with him during his last ten edits. So, what was that. It was Adhithya Kiran Chekavar's socks who had frequent conflict with Outlander07. Posted right at SpacemanSpiff's who had blocked a handful of his previous socks. Thiyya advocacy:. Created Tandans - it was an article edited by Vishnu vaaish and Nandanavijayan at ml.wiki, and Cherayi panicker. Considering earlier results, I don't know how useful would check user be, proxies were blocked in ml.wiki SPI, enabling it anyway. 157.46.210.247 (talk) 17:32, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

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 * .  ~Oshwah~  (talk) (contribs)   00:07, 27 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Blocked based on CU result and behavior. Tagged. Close. Dreamy Jazz talk to me &#124; my contributions 16:53, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

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987Paxller joined on 21st February and created the article Thiyyar Regiment and List of Thiyyars on 25th. A new user Skibidibruh stated editing the same on the 26th following was then edited by another newbie Vasterbrat on 27th with AnujRudra, Cid Corrapton and Ameliajoyceadams7777 on 1st March. Then again by Shivashankar108 on 2nd march MarkJonez on 3rd march Democat3457 on 4th March. None of them except Cid Corrapton has crossed 100 edits, of them most are of Typo fixings and de-orphaning of articles. Everyone joins Wikipedia in just a matter of hours or between days and started editing the same topic successively along with other random article typo fixes.

User Noncreativephotographer joined on 25th March, who into Thiyya promotion overlaps with an anonymous IP 59.89.240.203 on Ezhava talk page, &   who in turn added contents on wiki commons that was previously removed and tagged in the name of  Othayoth Shankaran sock of Adithya Kiran Chekavar. &.

CMT420 started uploads on wiki commons and was posted to en & ml Wikipedia by random IP’s 117.201.207.64, 117.222.166.219. The IP 59.97.173.1 keep asks active editors for inclusions on the Nair page,.

User Vinay Chekavar Joined 3hrs before and started edits praising Thiyya with the same edit pattern and behaviour of Adithya Kiran Chekavar. User Cmsmith1967 of some kind also following the very same pattern on Nair related pages might or might not be related. 2402:8100:24D1:3A51:75E5:16B8:B137:2B0B (talk) 14:57, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

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Hi, I have noticed some very derogatory calumnious comments on Nair caste from. Suddenly i looked into his edits and found that the id is created as is it looks like a 'Thiyyar vandla' id, but it is not. This id itself is created by the same guy and the same guy himself from his logged out editing mode filed this check user investigation. The fake id is created by him to accumulate valid proof that these all above id's are all 'thiyya caste' vandals. You can check and  for a check investigation so that you find that it is same. This is all his tactics to attack profiles that are making a good edit contribution to thiyya,ezhava,syrian Christian communities in india.This guy from our investigation in posting criminal posting on various blogs and websites against thiyya/ezhava community and one of the Thiyyar legal forum presidents from ernakulam Sri.Manoj Raj and Sudershan, persons who filed criminal cases against the writer of an article published in chandrika, are going to file criminal cyber cases against him with the same advocate team of senior high court advocate Govindh Bharathan. They have already warned him in various facebook groups. From their initial group investigation, they have found the guy's primary details from various circles. They told that this guy is a 28-29 aged guy and a born criminal; and a psycho and is into various anti-natural immoral activities.

yes I have made edits almost 80% on thiyyar caste as in Wikipedia the history and photos are not represented sufficiently. I'm planning to contribute more edits to other weaker, lower caste communities also in the future. Also, I have not made any unsourced or vandal contribution and am here to contribute to Wikipedia.

Thank you

Noncreativephotographer (talk)

You people are well known for your egregious personal attacks against editors who do not support your propaganda. Read WP:NPA before blatantly threatening and alleging me as a psycho and a born criminal.

Check User: Compare edits of   with .

Also

Compare the edits of   with. The vandal has already been blocked and tagged as the sock of. Outlander 07@talk 17:35, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Is it possible to check user:365Arithamatical study, too?? R.C Outlander07@talk 14:28, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

Also, it is to be noted I never had an edit conflict with the user Noncreativephotographer but they started alleging me without a second thought. It might be helpful to refer the archives to retrieve some useful data. It is obvious to me they are now evading their block as I was attacked by them before. R.C Outlander07@talk 15:54, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Behavioral evidences are strong enough, CU may not produce any result as he's editing with proxies. There's also suspected meatpuppetry as per previous report scrutinized admins. Evidenced accounts should be blocked as duck. 2409:4073:2E87:3D23:E410:168B:F190:DECE (talk) 07:31, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

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 * I only ran the accounts that I felt enough evidence exists to suspect sock puppetry (mainly, edits solely or mostly to Thiyyar Regiment). They all came up as ❌.  ~Oshwah~  (talk)  (contribs)   14:15, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Closing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TonyBallioni (talk • contribs) 17:10, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

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Twice created Kanaran Gurukkal, and significant edits to Thiyyar-related pages, which are two red-flags that correlate to this string of accounts (the main red-flag is the creations of the article, which multiple confirmed socks also attempted creating (all instances have been deleted or are queued for deletion)). The account in current question was created on May 4. Curbon7 (talk) 08:59, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

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 * . Same geolocation as past blocked sock accounts. That's all the information I can give, unfortunately...  ~Oshwah~  (talk) (contribs)   03:41, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Closing. They haven't edited for over a month. If they start editing again and it is disruptive/there is additional evidence of socking, feel free to re-report. TonyBallioni (talk) 17:09, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

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(regarding Arsalanactual, Therajputbot):
 * Back again for Thiyyar promotions. Began editing on the same day around same time – 00:15, 11 May 2021 and 01:16, 11 May 2021. Therajputbot's first edit itself was on Thiyyar history created by User:365Arithamatical study (another sock), while Arsalanactual edited List of Thiyyars as his next destination (created by sock 987Paxller). And the usual stuff, spamming Talk:Ezhava with bogus legal threat . 2409:4073:2186:98C:E47A:84B5:3863:D651 (talk) 11:40, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

(regarding Kaippally Nishad, Ivirodov):
 * First edit itself was a follow-up to a Thiyyar discussion out of the blue. And how strange is a rookie creating an SPI case as 2nd edit? It was for Worldofknowledge121 who had talked against these socks' at their regular destination Talk:Ezhava. Ivirodov uploaded the image now present at Thiyyar Regiment. 2409:4073:2186:98C:E47A:84B5:3863:D651 (talk) 12:38, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

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 * and his probable team is somehow now on the logged-out mode at Sockpuppet investigations/Outlander07. Please have a look at the case, might be helpful in retrieving any useful data. R.C Outlander07@talk 15:25, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Sockpuppet investigations/എപ്പോഴും രാജാവ്, concerning a user who filed bogus SPI reports against Outlander07 like above, may be connected. They also seem fixated on a pro-Thiyyar agenda, judging by the diffs claimed to be POV-pushing. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 19:39, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Seems they think it is favourable to use multiple range IP edits instead of accounts as the chances of indefinite blocks are skimpy. The accounts are being created and tend to abandon the same after accomplishing their purpose to create an impression they are no longer be used or in a stale state., Here there are some suspicious accounts of similar nature.  R.C Outlander07@talk 07:19, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
 * ,, Diffs with similar legal threat.  From ml.wiki, bogus legal threat by the previous sock.

,, , , : This is cross-wiki socking and block evasion, there are lots of logged-out editing as well. I request a global lock. Wikipedia Commons check-user has already confirmed Noncreativephotographer, Ivirodov, Kaippally Nishad and കണ്ണിപൊയിൽ സഖാക്കൾ. The allegation that SPI is being used as a tool best suits this sock master himself, he has been opening multiple SPI cases with different names since a while now, most recent one being this and this. Please range block these IPs at least.--2409:4073:4E9C:6C2B:426:E49C:3109:8102 (talk) 20:30, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Global lock activated by Commons admins. BTW, he has started new sock User:Pv67 in Commons a day after his lock and created an SPI for Outlander. IP range blocking is the only way to "block" this person, he's into logged-out editing.--2409:4073:41C:1DA8:6C3F:86DC:4608:DE13 (talk) 12:15, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

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 * I'm not going to outright decline the CU request, but from what I see right now, there's not enough to endorse. Caste conflict is a very popular topic, so shared editing interest by itself is not a good indicator of socking.  Some of the technical clues (activity in different namespaces, timecards, editing clients used) hint at these all being different people.  And, looking at the archives, this case has a history of users being accused of socking with insufficient evidence, so I'm wary of allowing SPI to be used as a tool to win edit wars.  If you could show some specific pairs of edits which clearly prove socking, I'll be happy to take another look.  I'd be particularly interested in edits by past socks which make the sort of legal arguments in this edit by Arsalanactual. -- RoySmith (talk) 13:20, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
 * - I'm endorsing this, but with a fair bit of reluctance. Most of these users haven't edited in a couple of months, so not much point in digging there.  And while I suspect there's a lot of socking going on in this general area, I also suspect there's just a lot of common interest and also a certain amount of people using SPI as a weapon.


 * But has edited relatively recently and I agree that opening an SPI (Worldofknowledge121) as their second edit really pegs the needle on my sock-o-meter.  The other problem is that most of the users in the archives are stale and/or found to not be socks, so there may not be much to compare against.   you guys both worked the Worldofknowledge121 SPI, so maybe something here rings a bell with one of you? -- RoySmith (talk) 17:54, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
 * , I don't have any great insight to offer I'm afraid. Obviously some very dubious activity in this area, and I agree with you about the sock-0-meter readings, but beyond that I don't have anything to add. Girth Summit  (blether)  11:06, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Nothing from me either, sorry. GeneralNotability (talk) 13:28, 3 August 2021 (UTC)


 * - Mz7 (talk) 00:24, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Therajputbot is . Kaippally Nishad and Ivirodov are to each other. The account  is ✅ to Ivirodov, while  is  to Ivirodov. Arsalanactual is . Based on the Commons CU results, as well as historical data about Adhithya Kiran Chekavar socks on cuwiki, I think there is a good chance that all of these are indeed Adhithya Kiran Chekavar. I will be blocking Kaippally Nishad, കണ്ണിപൊയിൽ സഖാക്കൾ, Noncreativephotographer, and Ivirodov indefinitely. I will take no action at this time against Arsalanactual and Therajputbot in the absence of more definitive technical evidence (it seems that both accounts are abandoned anyway).  for കണ്ണിപൊയിൽ സഖാക്കൾ because Ivirodov is globally locked. Closing. Mz7 (talk) 00:42, 18 August 2021 (UTC)