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19 February 2014

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Original European denies that he is identical with Afro-Eurasian. However, their personal data are the same, as you can read here and here (two 16-year-old guys named Alex whose mother (Sandra) is Puerto Rican and whose father (Alex) is Uruguayan). Borsoka (talk) 03:13, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

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''Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.'' Hello. First of all, I clearly state my registered account on my userpage, which I do not use, they only redirect to my userpage. Secondly, what warrants this investigation? Have I done anything against policy? Please, check my contributions. I do not vandalize, I do not "sock puppet", etc. I am a new contributor to Wikipedia. Thirdly, I personally know Afro-Eurasian (whose name is ███████, if you must know). He was the one that introduced me to Wikipedia. I asked for him to set up my introduction, which is why his userpage contained my information, however, please note that it is in third person, and that he also included his own personal information. I asked him to remove my information from his userpage when I signed up, which he did. The only reason Borsoka opened this investigation is because I commented here. I was asked by ███████ to state my opinion, and I did. I never violated policy. I even state, which goes against Afro-Eurasian's opinion, that I believe the article should be deleted if we could not get an agreement. This is absurd. Original European  (talk)  05:26, 19 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Dear Afro-Eurasian, I know that under the name of Original European you are making "nice edits", for example, by granting me a barnstar for my edits on subjects relating to the History of Hungary, although a new editor had little chance to learn that I edit on this subject. On the other hand, under the name Afro-Eurasian you are making uncivil comments. For example, you call me "bozgor" in this edit summary ("bozgor" is an ethnic slur for Hungarians used exclusively by chauvinistic Romanians). Interestingly, under the name Afro-Eurasian you suggested me that I should go to the Hungarian wikipedia on February 11 at 09:28 . Dear Afro-Eurasian, yesterday I suggested you that you should use your original user name. Borsoka (talk) 05:57, 19 February 2014 (UTC)


 * I will say this: I awarded you with a barnstar for your contribution to Good Articles, which you showcase on your userpage. I am trying to be friendly, and I recently learned how to reward barnstars, which I find fun and friendly. You are not the only person I have given barnstars to. Original European   (talk)  06:08, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
 * In my Talk page, GAs relating to the history of Romania and other articles relating to the history of Ukraine, Slovakia, Iceland and other countries are also mentioned. Why did you only notice those relating to the Hungarian history? Yes, I know you like granting barnstars under your both names. And you also like, under your both names, creating a separate place on your Talk page for the barnstars you are hoping to receive in the future. Borsoka (talk) 06:17, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Almos, Arpad, Fajsz, Samuel Aba, Stephen I, Taksony, Zoltan – all Hungarian-related. I also noticed that you are fluent in Hungarian, so I assumed that you are interested in Hungarian history, and I wanted to give you a barnstar for your hard work. Another user awarded you a BoNM I believe 1 year ago, which I saw on your userpage. I awarded you the BoNM 2.0, as a friendly gesture, since I was familiar with BoNM v2.0 because I requested one to be made. As for my Rewards, Barnstars, and WikiLove section, I got the idea from a user who is adopting when I was learning about the program. Many users have a section for their rewards, why can't I? Oh and it's not on my talk page, it's on my userpage. Original European   (talk)  06:45, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
 * What about Foundation of Wallachia, Romania in the Early Middle Ages, Romania in the Middle Ages between Fajsz and Samuel Aba? They are clearly related to the Romanian history. Borsoka (talk) 06:51, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I noticed that you made much more edits to Hungarian-related articles, plus you say that you speak Hungarian fluently, so that is why I gave you a Hungarian barnstar instead of a different one. If you'd like I can give you another BoNM because I am a friendly and civil person. All I want to do is contribute peacefully to Wikipedia, and I like to support other editors I come across, one way of doing that is by awarding barnstars when they deserve it. Original European   (talk)  06:59, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I think the following two discussions are interesting for the purpose of this investigation: 1 (he explains what are his favorite topics in connection with an article which is not covered by that topic) and 2 (he proposes an article to be deleted and later he explains it or I do not know what he does). Borsoka (talk) 12:45, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
 * You aren't making any sense. Please use common English so others and I can understand what you are trying to say. Original European  (talk) 13:14, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Dear Afro-Eurasian, you know I cannot use common English. You already draw my attention to this fact in your last comment here under your original user name. Borsoka (talk) 13:23, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I did not write that because I am not the same person as Afro-Eurasian. I said "please use common English", because your text above does not make any sense. You also conveniently have en-3 on your babel list, which lets me know you probably have some difficulty understanding or typing in English, which is absolutely fine, I am not discriminating, I am just suggesting that you reread your comment and perhaps rewrite it in proper English so others and I can understand you. Original European  (talk) 13:29, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

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I'm endorsing a CU just to see if the three puppet accounts are related to the master. They are obviously related to each other as they admit as much. The master hasn't commented, but the comments by the puppet are tough to believe. The business about Alex and the connection between him and the master is bizarre. Also, I see no legitimate use of two accounts that redirect to the main account. The fact that the puppet is signing with one of the other names rather than the name of the account he uses makes it only more misleading. It's possible that all of this could be ascribed to incompetence, but a CU will put that to rest.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:08, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
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I've indeffed and tagged all accounts. I originally blocked the master for a month, but as I went through the long list of puppets, blocking them one by one, I changed it to indefinite (also the denials and deceit on this page don't help).--Bbb23 (talk) 19:05, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

18 March 2014

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EVASION. Identical personal data: and. Borsoka (talk) 05:21, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

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''Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.''
 * *Sigh*. I'm not trying to evade a block. I requested to be unblocked twice, both times being denied with absolutely no reasonable response or reason given, aside from sharing an IP address, which does not violate any policy. I even asked for the second sysop to reply, yet he never did, thus I was given no other choice but to make a new account, since requesting a third unblock would only be denied yet again, since nobody cares to take the time to read my side of the story and to judge fairly. This is the only account I use, and I contribute constructively. Ice Age  (talk) 07:00, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

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Isotz Aro archived the talk page of a confirmed puppet of Afro-Eurasian, User:Paleolithic Man. I undid the archiving, but I find it troubling.--Bbb23 (talk) 07:29, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
 * After a moment's further thought, I indeffed Isotz Aro. Not receiving the administrative response you'd like to an unblock request or even not receiving any response at all is not a justification for creating another sock. I've tagged Isotz Aro as confirmed as he concedes he's the same person.--Bbb23 (talk) 07:37, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

29 March 2014

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(1) Both of them use an alternative signature: Southeastern European signs as "Nicholas", Paleolithic Man (Afro-Eurasian's former sockpuppet) signed as "Original European". (2) They both delete any negative comments from their talk page: see Afro-Eurasian here, and Southeastern European here. Borsoka (talk) 20:41, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Why am I being involved in this nonsense?
 * (1) I use my name in my signature, what is problem with that? I will change that if it is against policy, but I see many other users that have their first name in their signature and there is no problem with that.
 * (2) I deleted two notifications on my talk page, this is non of your business as it is my talk page and I can remove whatever I want especially if it is unnecessary. I am trying to work out that issue with the user that sent me the notifications.
 * (3) Aside from the unfortunate name similarity, this investigation has no basis.
 * (4) I recall thanking you on an edit you made because you reverted vandalism, but I do not know you and why the reason is you are saying I am another person? Nicholas  (Alo!) 20:56, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

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 * I would support a CU for this user. There is other evidence that I won't mention, but what has already been pointed out should suffice. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 21:37, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Please point out the basis of this investigation. If you are a administrator surely you would know what policy has been breached. I am too old to be involved in these and much time will be wasted. Nicholas  (Alo!) 01:35, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

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 * This is getting dangerously close to being closed for insufficient evidence. --Rschen7754 01:42, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
 * ✅, together with, , and . . T. Canens (talk) 05:51, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Blocked, tagged, closing. Rschen7754 05:55, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

25 July 2014

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WP:EVASION (1) As I mentioned during the previous investigation, Afro-Eurasian's all sockpuppets use an alternative signature: Southeastern European signed as "Nicholas", Paleolithic Man (Afro-Eurasian's former sockpuppet) signed as "Original European", and now Akifumi signs as "A2". (2) As I mentioned during the first investigation, editing their own user pages and sending barnstars to other users are the main activities of Afro-Eurasian and his/her all identified sockpuppets. (3) I placed "cn" template messages in the article Latin peoples, which was a favorite topic of Afro-Eurasian and his/her sock, Paleolithic Man, and within an hour Akifumi placed an "unreferenced" template message in the stub Ampud that I had created on the same day, although there were inline references in the stub. (4) I requested CU because the above three investigations prove that without it it is difficult to prove that Akifumi is a sockpuppet of Afro-Eurasian. Borsoka (talk) 03:30, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

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 * This nonsense argument has me straining to AGF about Borsoka. So Akifumii tagged an article that Borsoka has apparent OWNership issues about a short time after you tagged an unrelated article. So what? I see no similarities in the editing behavior or edit summaries between Akifumii and the blocked users. Don't misunderstand, I encourage the indiscriminate use of checkuser to identify socks but I have a problem with editors engaging in these sorts of examinations with no pattern of abuse to substantiate their claims. Also, Akifumii's account wasn't created until May 1st. The other socks had been blocked for months at that point. Wouldn't it have made more sense if one account is created just as the other is blocked? Akifumii recently completed the counter-vandalism course under my instruction and I've seen no problems worthy of this attempt to railroad them. Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 18:07, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
 * , please read again my above message. He/she added an "unreferenced" template to a stub which was well-referenced after I placed "citation needed" templates in one of his/her favorite articles. Please also read the history of Paleolitic Man here : he/she pretended that he/she was a new editor and sought the assistance of an administrator. Yes, this is really featuring. Please also read the list of languages spoken by Afro-Eurasian's sock and by, especially the Basque language is surprising. Borsoka (talk) 18:29, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Akifumii made a mistake, clearly. Coincidence doesn't make them a sock. I look forward to what checkuser says. If Akifumii is a sock then I want them blocked, same as every other sock. It looks to me like you're grasping at straws because Akifumii templated that article. Again, we'll see. Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 18:49, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
 * , please attempt to imagine a world where an editor do not initiate a sock-puppet investigation because one of his/her favorite articles is templated. Please believe me my favorite articles have several times been templated and I have never initiated a sock-puppet investigation. Borsoka (talk) 19:10, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

, I think you made a mistake. Why do you think that "Barnstars" granted to him/her for signing "guestbooks" prove that he/she is not a sockpuppet? I am sure that and his alias are sockpoppets of. Interestingly, as Akifumii, he/she claimed a basic level of Basque, similarly to Afro-Eurasian, but now, under his/her new (c. 20th) name , he/she does not refer to this language, but he/she makes it clear that his/her knowledge of Romanian is at high level (similarly to Afro-Eurasian). Nevertheless, for the time being I have to accept your decision. Borsoka (talk) 14:50, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

and, I would like to initiate a sockpuppet investigation against. Do you think it is appropriate now? Interestingly, claims that he is identical with , but none of their personal data are identical, see here , and here. The creation of a new user name and a "new personality" after a sock-puppet investigation are really featuring. Borsoka (talk) 17:00, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Please see the discussion on this admins talk page. Yes my personal info changed due to my clean start.  I can assure you that Akifumii was my previous account becuase my account was linked.  Xermano (talk) 17:48, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
 * , are you identical with banned and his many, many socks? Borsoka (talk) 17:52, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
 * What makes you think that? I was confirmed in the creation log, showing that I am Akifumii.  We already came to consclusions that Akifumii was not Afro-Eurasian.  Xermano (talk) 17:57, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
 * , the same patterns of behavior. Personal data which are changing from user name to user name, prietenulmeu. Borsoka (talk) 18:07, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
 * This is harassment. Either stop or I'm taking you to ANI. Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 00:29, 12 August 2014 (UTC)


 * , if you think it is harassement, please take me to an ANI. Borsoka (talk) 01:07, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

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 * The evidence is fairly circumstantial and I don't believe is enough to warrant a CU request. Given other BEANS evidence (email me if you're interested) I don't believe they are related (clerks it's the usual stuff we check). So I've declined the CU check, but I'll leave the request open for others to comment. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 04:19, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
 * After I leave this comment, I will close this with no action. As I understand it, there are only a couple of things that the OP says tie Akifumii to the master. First, he uses an alternative user signature. Many, many people do that, so that is of no consequence. Second, he put an unreferenced tag on an article that was referenced. That, although misguided, is not enough to brand him a puppet. Others make mistakes with templates. He isn't the first. Beyond that, Akifumii has an impressive list of credentials, here in a very short time in terms of the privileges that have been accorded him, and elsewhere in other wiki and wikimedia projects that make it unlikely that he is a puppet of anyone. I'm afraid I have no clue as to what is referring to ("clerks it's the usual stuff we check"), but then I'm always the last to know anything. Regardless of that, though, there's not enough evidence to do a CU or to block behaviorally.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:27, 2 August 2014 (UTC)


 * As I understand it, did not ask to have his account renamed but created it himself on August 10. He then immediately went to Xaosflux's talk page to discuss it. He has also stopped editing with the old account and has been fully disclosing about the whole thing. Moreover, the apparent accusation that he was attempting to obscure this sock report in doing so is not credible for two reasons. First, I had already declined the report days before he changed the name. Second, he fully disclosed the relationship on the new page and has redirected the old account to the new one, again all of this happening after I had evaluated and declined the report. Nothing  says has convinced me to change the decline.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:24, 11 August 2014 (UTC)


 * , thank you for your answer. Borsoka (talk) 01:05, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

17 August 2014

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 * As I mentioned during the last SPI against him, I first became suspicious, when he (under the name Akifumii) placed an "unreferenced" template message in a stub - Ampud - that I had just created (although it was well referenced)  in less than an hour after I put "citation needed" template messages  in an article - Latin peoples - that had been a favorite of Afro-Eurasian, and his sock, Paleolithic Man.
 * I began studying his userpage, and realized that he writes that "I consider myself a polyglot" (, under the title "Interests") which reminded me to Paleolothic Man's similar statement - "I am a Polyglot and Polymath" (, under the title "Interests"). Furthermore, both Akifumii and Izotz Aro (a former sock) stated that they spoke Basque, which is a quite unusual coincidence.
 * Studying his edits, I also realised that - similarly to Afro-Eurasian's all identified sockpuppets - Akifumii mostly edits his own user page or sends nice messages to other users (if you do not edit his favorite articles, he can be very nice, but there is a sharp change if you try to make a change in an article he likes wich contradicts to his POV).
 * Afro-Eurasian's all sockpuppets used an alternative signature: Southeastern European signed as "Nicholas", Paleolithic Man (Afro-Eurasian's former sockpuppet) signed as "Original European". I realised that Akifumii also followed this patter, signing as "A2".
 * I initiated a SPI against Akifumii and informed him of it on 25 July 2014. During the investigation I made a passing reference to the Basque language.
 * Although the SPI closed with no evidence of socking, Akifumii soon adopted a new user name (Xermano). I realized that he also adopted a new CV (see here, and here [User:Xermano]). For instance, he could not speak Basque any more, but he became Hungarian. This reminded me to the multiple changes of personality of Afro-Eurasian and his socks. Afro-Eurasian was a Latin man who had been born and lived in Florida . One of his sockpuppets, Paleolithic Man also said that he was a man living in Florida, but under a new (Basque) real life name . His next sockpuppet, Southeastern European, said that he had been born in Southeastern Europe , but at the same time a fourth (or 14th) sockpuppet said that he is a "Moroccan American".
 * I was planning a new SPI and approached the admin who closed the case . I also informed Akifumii/Xermano of this, and he deleted my message , reminding me to Afro-Eurasian and his socks who neither could stand seeing negative messages on their talk pages.
 * During the ANI against me it became clear that he had receivved special credentials by deceiving administrators. This also reminds me a previous sockpuppet who also deceived an administrator, suggesting that he is a new editor in WP.
 * I would like to remind you that during the SPI initiated on 29 March 2014 only the CU could prove the sockpuppetry.
 * If this SPI is closed and it is proven that we are dealing with a new sockpuppet, I will initiate WP:LTA process. Borsoka (talk) 16:03, 17 August 2014 (UTC) Borsoka (talk) 16:03, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
 * , yes Catalan and Basque are two different languages. Please find the below template on Akifumii user page here: . This is reference to his Basque knowledge.   Borsoka (talk) 01:53, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

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I have removed the CU request because the CU data would be stale. This will have to be decided based on behavior and the new evidence introduced by Borsoka.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:47, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I have indeffed both accounts based on the report at WP:ANI. However, despite Borsoka's efforts, there is insufficient evidence to block the accounts as socks of Afro-Eurasian. BTW,, as far as I know, Basque and Catalan are two different languages. Akifumii never said he spoke Basque. He said he spoke Catalan.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:13, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks,, for pointing that out. I thought I had looked at all those damned user boxes. I'm not sure whether it'll have any impact on my conclusion, but I'll give it some thought.--Bbb23 (talk) 04:47, 18 August 2014 (UTC)