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12 November 2014

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Summary: Both master and sock persistently restore disputed content at Bang Bang!.


 * Both have a username with a capital first name, then a period, then a lowercase second name. Both start with "A".
 * Armaan.haider has edited Happy New Year (2014 film), while Aryan.malik3 has asked Dmacks to do so on his behalf here.
 * Both restore the same disuputed content at Bang Bang!. There is telltale dovetailing that is in chunks, with no impossible dovetailing. For example:

Armaan.haider makes a string of 18 edits by ending with:
 * 09:29, 30 October 2014

Then he stops.

Then Aryan.malik3 makes his first and second edits:
 * 10:36, 30 October 2014
 * 14:20, 30 October 2014

Then he stops.

Armaan.haider resumes:
 * 14:26, 30 October 2014
 * 14:59, 30 October 2014
 * 16:06, 30 October 2014

Neither edits any more on Oct 30.

October 31 we have:
 * 04:14, 31 October 2014 Armaan.haider
 * 04:20, 31 October 2014 Armaan.haider
 * 05:03, 31 October 2014 Aryan.malik3
 * 05:05, 31 October 2014 Aryan.malik3
 * 05:08, 31 October 2014 Aryan.malik3
 * 05:31, 31 October 2014 Aryan.malik3
 * 05:56, 31 October 2014 Armaan.haider
 * 06:01, 31 October 2014 Armaan.haider
 * 06:02, 31 October 2014 Armaan.haider
 * 06:20, 31 October 2014 Armaan.haider
 * 06:23, 31 October 2014 Armaan.haider
 * 06:27, 31 October 2014 Armaan.haider
 * 07:26, 31 October 2014 Armaan.haider
 * 08:12, 31 October 2014 Aryan.malik3
 * 09:09, 31 October 2014 Armaan.haider
 * 10:20, 31 October 2014 Armaan.haider
 * 10:59, 31 October 2014 Armaan.haider
 * 12:14, 31 October 2014 Armaan.haider
 * 12:45, 31 October 2014 Armaan.haider
 * 12:51, 31 October 2014 Armaan.haider
 * 13:17, 31 October 2014 Aryan.malik3
 * 16:45, 31 October 2014 Aryan.malik3
 * 16:30, 2 November 2014 Aryan.malik3
 * 11:13, 9 November 2014 Aryan.malik3
 * 11:13, 9 November 2014 Aryan.malik3
 * 11:34, 9 November 2014 Aryan.malik3
 * 11:36, 9 November 2014 Aryan.malik3
 * 07:12, 12 November 2014 Aryan.malik3 Undid revision 633359682 by Armaan.haider. I think he reverted himself to make it look like they are two different people. In this edit, he removed the boxofficeindia references, yet all his prior reverts to this article have been to restore the boxofficeindia refs, so it doesn't make sense.
 * 07:16, 12 November 2014 Armaan.haider then 4 minutes later reverted with the edit summary "These are official Box Office India's figures."

Both have also edited Kick (2014 film)/its talk page. This is quite a coincidence since Aryan.malik3 has only edited three articles/article talk pages. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 10:33, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

I just added Ahtasham.dogar3 who registered 03:48, 28 November 2013, so is probably the master. He was blocked 05:45, 21 May 2014‎ with this being his final edit. Then Armaan.haider registered 14:10, 5 June 2014 and carried on editing the same article (Linkin Park discography). He admitted this and lead me there with his talk page post here. Further evidence, of course, is the username format.

Armaan.haider edit wars and has been warned before. He now actively operates the two accounts Armaan.haider and Aryan.malik3 and abuses them by tag-team reverting seen here.

Please consider a sleeper check and a block for all of these accounts. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:12, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

Important: A sleeper check would be appreciated, but no immediate blocks as we are considering trying to help this editor here. Thanks. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 14:49, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

Okay, I've blocked Aryan.malik3. I will discuss things at User talk:Armaan.haider to try to get Armaan.haider to be constructive and tell him what is happening. I would love a sleeper check to be sure there are no more accounts. Many thanks. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 03:28, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

Comments by other users
''Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.'' Hi, DeltaQuad. :) You say that one looks obvious, but... Do you mean you are not sure all three are connected? He did not identify Ahtasham.dogar3 as the master, but said, but said his first account was blocked and what article he was working on. The name style, timing of new account registration, article referred to, all point to Ahtasham.dogar3 and no other as his first account. Armaan.haider and Aryan.malik3 connected to each other is certain because I asked him and he said yes at his talk page. Would you like me to ask him about Ahtasham.dogar3 being the master? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 20:25, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments
. I'm reluctant to go along with 's plan that was discussed here. At the same time, I'm reluctant to override another administrator who has undertaken the difficult task to rehabilitate an editor. Therefore, for the moment, I'm not blocking Armaan.haider (who is effectively a puppet but the master is blocked). At the same time, I'm endorsing the CU for sleepers. If the CU is accepted and a sleeper is found, all bets are off. In addition, I expect that Anna will indef Armaan.haider if he edits using an IP address instead of the named account. I'm not doing any tagging until some of this is resolved. I understand that the master is stale.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:16, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
 * - One of those cases that looks extremely obvious...but your gut says double check. Any second CU reviewing, i'll eventually want a 2O most likely. -- DQ   (ʞlɐʇ)  17:57, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
 * , DQ can, of course, chime in, but I'd hold off doing anything further with the individual until the CU is complete.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:45, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi, Bbb23. I agree. I've been watching his contribs and nothing more. I did ask him at his talk if this is the master, though. I figure no harm in that. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 02:45, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Sorry guys, I meant extremely obvious in terms of the data available to CheckUsers and interpreting it. So far Ahtasham.dogar3 is, and the other two are the same person. Right now though the rest of the results, which I can't indicate either way at this point, look too good to be true. So that's why I want to dig a little more. -- DQ   (ʞlɐʇ)  05:33, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
 * "too good to be true" - now there's a phrase you don't hear too often at SPI.--Bbb23 (talk) 06:06, 26 November 2014 (UTC)


 * For now, i'm going to go with the understanding that there are no additional accounts. -- DQ   (ʞlɐʇ)  05:27, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Back to you, Anna. Bbb23 (talk) 05:38, 30 November 2014 (UTC)